See Walter Wink's trilogy: Naming, Unmasking,
Engaging the Powers, When power and corruption find a home within corporate
structures (governmental/other) they are difficult to root out.
Lance
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From:
Chris Barr
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What is then safe to read Chris? If only fairy
tales exist outside Scripture then, ought you to be reading this?
Lance
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From:
Chris Barr
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 18, 2004 00:06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance from bad
to worse
There were a good number of EX-Campbellites in the church.
Some of the names were:
Sydney Rigdon ( a campbellite minister )Parley Parker Pratt
Edward Partridge, the first Presiding Bishop of the Church
Orson Hyde
More likely that similarities came through the Campbellite connection
Blaine
Kevin wrote:
Why do you post source documents for Mary Baker
Eddy JoE Smith on your site?
http://www.innglory.org/library.htm
I'm not sure exactly which documents you are talking about.
Kevin wrote:
Do you take these as your add'l
scripture or word?
Absolutely not. What is posted there
Thanks, Lance
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From:
Chris Barr
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Sent: March 18, 2004 08:15
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:FICTION =
ANYTHING NON-BIBLICAL??
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!
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How about discussing that celestial marriage
stuff? Maybe that would make a good discussion.
vincent j fulton
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:39 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perry wrote:DavidM, would you go to the BoM to learn about Jesus? No,
you would go there to
Now there's asubject for reflection indeed!
"As God once was we now are, as God now is we will become" Mucho planets to be
populated. Lance
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wrote:
How about
*he sounds human:) did he leave any
comments on death, dying?
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:32:06 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, he did, but deathprevented him from
continuing in it.
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his influencesoundsa little
different thanthe HS, then
G ~ P
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:32:19 -0500 "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[Polanyi is] sitting just over my right shoulder,
he's in my walkman, my MP3 player
and, he talkin' a blue streak.
Lance
He was like I am, able to make the necessary
distinction. But, thanks for commenting. Lance
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Polanyi,
unemployed??Never!!
his
Lance. Thank you. Finally some clarity. What is the
problem with admiring another's contribution? I don't get it. Were certain ones
among us born under a rock (read pebble)? Were they not influenced by someone,
anyone along the way, maybe a mother or a dad? And what if ma and pa have passed
Okay, I will start with the whole book. Your turn.
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry wrote:
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:34:39 -0700
Perry wrote:DavidM, would you go to the BoM to learn about Jesus?
No, you
No, like Moses, he left that for others to
make.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Nothing
"obtuse here" Amen
*he sounds human:) did he leave any
Lance. Thank you. Finally some clarity.
What is the problem with admiring another's
contribution?
jt: Contribution to what? Philosophy,
art, myth, and religion? What does this have
to do with life and truth? The
man did not know Jesus and he was not led by the
Holy Spirit.
Guaranteed.
jt: I daresay neither you nor Polanyi are aquainted with
the Holy Spirit Lance. He was not sent to the world (John
14:17)
The world can not receive Him or know Him. Your talk and
interests are worldly the same asthose of Polanyi. judyt
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
He was like I am,
Ah Judy, -- Judy, judy,
judy.
You would do good to read some philosophy: you take
some huge leaps in your reasoning. Polanyi was also a Christian, unless Jesus
really didn't get the dividing wall knocked down. Talk to those you knew him. Go
to Mars Hill and purchase the interview.
Your
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah Judy, -- Judy, judy,
judy.
You would do good to read some philosophy: you take
some huge leaps in your reasoning.
jt: Not my reasoning Bill, the Word
of God is what divides and a
doubleminded man is unstable in all
his ways. It's impossible to be
Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. Imagine others having to interpret what he was talking about? "For
what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?"
(1 Cor 2:11). I notice your theologian Torrance is one of Polanyi's
interpreters.
No kidding Judy, that's the most compassion I've
sensed from any of the communications you've sent out into the virtual world.
May God bless your dear 98 1/2 year old Mom and, may she see the reality of
"Christ in you the hope of Glory" Lance
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Re: "your" theologian. I hope Bill will share this
treasure with the rest of us (Judy excluded of course)Lance
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From:
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Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 18, 2004 11:36
Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE
HOLY SPIRIT
Kinda sounds like a "Zen the art of motorcycle maintenance" thing.
http://www.oberlin.edu/stlife/For%20Students/Spirituality/Z/Spirituality%20Book%20List%20z.html
This "silent knowledge" is it the same or similar to Gnosticism?
Self awareness?
Good book though. Lance
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Deegan
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Sent: March 18, 2004 12:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE
HOLY SPIRIT
Kinda sounds like a "Zen the art of motorcycle maintenance"
thing.
I know the bible says be fruitful and fill the earth, but I guess I
missed the scripture which tells us to be fruitful and fill up the
universe.
vincent j fulton
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:55:12 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Now there's a subject for reflection indeed! As God
... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based
on the belief that all knowledge is either
tacit (silent and unspoken) or rooted
in tacit knowledge.
I never heard of Polanyi until this forum introduced me to his name,
however, never fearing to rush in where angels fear to tread, I'll say
Yup! Need to look with more care than that. Lance
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... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based
on the belief that all knowledge is either
tacit (silent
No blockhead she. Can I see the hands of all those who actually think that
by hurling out of context Scriptures at one another hearts, minds lives
will be transformed?
Ahh, I see that hand brother/sister. Lancel Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here's an interesting article. Some ancient Mexicans had a city
where men became gods. This suggests to me that the same demons which
guide lds theology have been influencing humans in the Americas for many
centuries.
vincent j fulton
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See the full article at the
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No blockhead she. Can I see the hands of all those who actually think thatby hurling out of context Scriptures at one another hearts, minds liveswill be transformed?Ahh, I see that hand brother/sister. Lancel Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL
Blaine:scroll down for the truth--ho
hum.
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Deegan
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:47
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins
found in Kentucky?
I'm sorry Blaine you want more on the
Blaine: Aha! Just as I suspected--you are unwilling to support your
accusation that the BoM is a heretical writing. I knew you would try to
wriggle out of it, but this is absurd. YOU are the one making the
accusation, the burden of proof is on you. Loose talk must be accounted
for, Perry.
Just havin some fun Blain. Lance
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From:
Blaine
Borrowman
To: TT
Sent: March 18, 2004 15:46
Subject: [TruthTalk] Oliver Cowdery! A
Witness to the book of Mormon
For those who are genuinely interested in the
full truth about Oliver
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:15
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Last
Days
The RCC needed reformation because it was
broken, not missing. Plus, as several have told you, there
always
Blaine, we have been over and over this. I am convinced it is fiction, and I
don't have to prove it to anyone. YOU are the one asserting it is truth.
Prove it.
If you cannot find even one proven fact in the BoM that is not from the
Bible, then my assertion about it's fictional nature stands.
Here is the synopsis
WOW! BoM Witness calls JoE an ADULTERER!
Elder Seymour Brunson preferred the following charges against Oliver Cowdery before the High Council of Far West:
"1st. For persecuting the brethren by urging on vexatious lawsuits against them, and thus distressing the innocent. 2nd.
Hi William,
I have enjoyed reading some of your
comments--I appreciate you tryingto shorten your posts,since I like
reading short stuffbetter than long stuff. What I like best though,
is the word, "stuff." It is nice and general, and can be relied upon as a
truly nickel word when a dollar
Ever the undying optimist, I continue to hope
that people such as yourself will see that these two are the same.
(the latter being Traditional Mormon Belief System). Do you? Lance
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Blaine
Borrowman
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Sent: March 18,
Blaine: I like your optimism, but
unfortunately there are a few differences between the TCBS and the TMBS.
But basically, they are so much alike that unless we want to split hairs, the
differences do not show all that much. By basically, I refer to the
fundamental belief in Jesus Christ as
A valiant effort,Vince. I give that. But no
cigar.
I'm going to include a few comments on Polanyi's
thought, and then get back to some of yours, because I really think if you will
give Polanyi a chance, you will see that he has done much to free Christian
thought from bondageto
Thanks Blaine.
I hope you get this before you read my book on
Polanyi {:). I'll try to tone down the technical stuff. Sometimes, though, I
just can't help myself. Be patient with me, please.
Bill
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Blaine
Borrowman
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Anyone can cut paste Blaine.
Do you expect everyone to read a 20 page cut paste of someone elses material?
Maybe that is the point send so much material so that no one will read it
That seems to be a important modus operandi for LDS.
Send so much extraneous info that the original point get
why; what's he afraid
of?
G ~ P
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:07:58 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, like Moses, he left that for others to
make.
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FTR, It sounds like neither you nor
Polanyiare acquainted with, e.g.,Ps. 90--have a
look:
Psalm 90 ::
A prayer of
Moses the man of God.
1 Lord, you have been our dwelling place
throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the earth and the world,
Blaine says Just keep in mind, I never met a man I truly disliked--I even like Kevin, so you can see I have avery charitable attitude--basically,
Thanks Blaine. Who ever said some Mormons are not charitable. What is with the Mormons that tapped Lances phone, though? There is a system in the
g,
It's a bit difficult, even for Moses, to tell the
story of his own death. What's Polanyi afraid of? I don't know why he would
need to have been afraid of anything. When he left Judaism he knew full well
what he was leaving. Why do you suppose he did not also know full well
If this was meant for me, then it was wasted. I recognize that the
words are English, but that's as far as my understanding goes. No
offense, but this seems to fall into the category of what many call
psychobabble. I guess my brain is just not suited to philosophy.
vincent j fulton
On Thu,
Think what you will, Gary. I thought you were
smarting off, comparing Polanyi to the Holy Spirit. You were doing that, weren't
you? If that's not what you were doing with Lance and me, then I'll do something
you should have done a long time ago: My mistake. I assumed something you were
not
Vince,
Say it with me. C-A-T, cat {:)
I'm sorry I lost you. I really wish you would at least jump to the
conclusion. It is relevant to us because, like it or not, we are taught to
think like Enlightenment philosophers. The problem is, the Enlightenment was
wrong; it was all about putting man in
ok
G
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:36:01 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Think what you will, Gary.
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