Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 11:01:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The blood of Jesus was shed for the remission of sin - meaning that as we confess and turn from it (repentance without regret) the blood cleanses our conscience.. otherwise we are trying to use it as a rabbit

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:35:01 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:45:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, You are impossible! If I answer you at all, it will be at a time that I would otherwise be wasting anyway. I did highlight one

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
The blood of Jesus was shed for the remission of sin - meaning that as we confess and turn from it (repentance without regret) the blood cleanses our conscience.. otherwise we are trying to use it as a rabbit's foot.  Jesus' blood was never supposed to be a cover for sin.  The blood of bulls

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Then John you have your own private interpretation so that what God says about it makes no difference to you...  At least this is the way it appears to me.  His word clearly says  SIN IS LAWLESSNESS - and it also says that no prophecy of scripture is for private interpretation.  1 John 3:4 i

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:30:43 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I'm not sure I understand how you are understanding this passage.  What does "assurance of salvation" or a "guaranteed ticket to heav

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 10:30:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I think Kevin posted this originally, but I will respond anyway. Yes, I think the blood of Christ covers them from the moment they believe. Not all "conversions" are miraculouis instant fixes for life

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 10:29:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jd: Judy, you really do not have a clue as to "the practice of lawlessness."   Your use of the phrase "This is sin" forces this conclusion.   jt: Just agreeing with God's Word John ie: "Everyone who practi

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, I think Kevin posted this originally, but I will respond anyway. Yes, I think the blood of Christ covers them from the moment they believe. Not all "conversions" are miraculouis instant fixes for life's problems. Many come to believe then, thorough a slow process, become transformed. Some

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, I think Kevin posted this originally, but I will respond anyway. Yes, I think the blood of Christ covers them from the moment they believe. Not all "conversions" are miraculouis instant fixes for life's problems. Many come to believe then, thorough a slow process, become transformed. Some

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:21:01 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My turn now John .. Don't want to burst your bubble but it isn't up to God who gets in and who doesn't .. because God has given all judgment in heaven and on earth over to Jesus, so he is the one who has the say so and we

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:04:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: must you argue with every word I speak? Give me a break. Izzy Back atcha on that --  in triplicate.  Grace and unmerited love and patience are the first things I think of.   Just an observation. J

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:13:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you knew you were going to die tomorrow,   and you had a chance to tell me something, what would it be?   BYE! The best of the bunch.  I am laughing so hard I can barely respond.  You have earned an a

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:13:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just skimmed most of this. But I'm not understanding why God would allegedly tell you something contrary to His Wordsuch as this "age of this and that". Sounds like dispensationalism to mewhich is c

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:13:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? I think not. How do you figure? I do not pretend that my reality is Daveâs You can't see this?   Really?  Whose reality is it when yo

[TruthTalk] Short Note

2005-01-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Hi all TTers. I appreciate the responses to some of my posts, and would like to reply to them. However, I think I came down with the flu or something that is no fun for the stomach. Furthermore, I'm headed out of town tomorrow and won't return until Tuesday. Soif I feel better o

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure you do Jonathan..I can tell from your language.  Try to show a little more class next time you write. Terry Lots of way of being classless, Terry. JD

Re: [TruthTalk] The boomerang

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:38:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is why the Lord instructs us to walk in love, give others the benefit of a doubt, and assume the best wherever possible And you are an example of this?   You have been no less the problem than the one to

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure I understand how you are understanding this passage.  What does "assurance of salvation" or a "guaranteed ticket to heaven" have to do with the effect of the conscience upon the mind?  I have f

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (jt resolves most biblical questions apriori w/ finality, not via negotiatg vigorous, rigorous hermeneutic expertise existentially; if it's 'hermeneutic', DavidM, then it's after the fashion of pseudo-i

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My turn now John .. Don't want to burst your bubble but it isn't up to God who gets in and who doesn't .. because God has given all judgment in heaven and on earth over to Jesus, so he is the one who has the s

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:36:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..nor does it inc a leGitimate 'hermaneutic' (thus far)..the correlation to you

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:55:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eat less; run more. The word "eviiil" comes to mind !    LOL Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, and you had a chance to tell me something, what would it be? I's like to know the answer to that one from anyone on this list. Eat less; run more. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that yo

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Prophets stopped MT11:13  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. John 8:52 Abraham is dead, and the prophets; Past Tense: Rom 1:2 Which he had prom

[TruthTalk] The boomerang

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
It takes a lot to shock and discourage me, but there are a few on TT today who have managed to do just that.  May the Holy Spirit bring conviction and repentance.    One of my personal beliefs, for what it’s worth, is this:  Whatever pain you inflict upon others is going to return to you

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread ttxpress
 ..nor does it inc a leGitimate 'hermaneutic' (thus far)..the correlation to your point, below, Pastor, seems like 'beauty in the eye...'      On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:03:38 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || 1) Filled with His Spirit2) Walk in His Spir

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Yes, Judy...makes it FULLER. For instance...you have heard...do not commit adultery. But I'm telling you if you even look upon a woman with lust in your heart...you've done it. You have heard...do not murder. But I tell you that if you even hate your brother, you have murdered. If we were co

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:30 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2   In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:44:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROT

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Yea, not to add to or take awayseems to me you read the book form the beginning. You don't start 2/3 of the way through, otherwise you don't get the whole story. Comprehension could be lacking if we begin at the last 1/3. Build the foundation up from the beginning, realize the penalty fo

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
You have a prophet right here on TT, Kevin. Do you follow him? If so, why? If not, why not? Do you have a way of determining when to follow in your midst who claim to be so?   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganS

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
However, the manner in which you treat them would not make me, if I were a Mormon, want to become a "true Christian". Telling someone they are reprobate, or not a Christian, or bound for hell, well, tain't cool. I posted a few days about Cheryl and my experience with her. One of the reasons

Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-13 Thread Gary D Ottoson
makes sense, Slade;  abt 1 post per day i figure/d   thx, G   On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:12:21 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> In the third quarter of 2004 (Jul-Sep), these are the ending > numbers:..Ottoson, Gary  101 Items    3.31% of the total

RE: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
In the third quarter of 2004 (Jul-Sep), these are the ending numbers: A total of 3,052 messages passed our port. Barr, Chris 48 Items1.57% of the total Brown, Elizabeth 2 Items0.07% of the total Clifton, Terry 225 Items7.37% of the total Douglas, Michael

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: I've got a question, then. First of all, I'm not too awful bright...so bear with me. Let's seeyou who practice lawlessness. Lawlessnesswithout law, or, in other words, sin. Without lawh...gimme a bit to think. Adding or taking away from the Word of

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Terry says:  In more than one place in God's word, we are warned not to add to or take from God's word.  The punishment is having your name removed from the book of life if I remember correctly.  Would you consider the BOM to be adding to God's word?  If so, are Mormons saved? CMON Terry You Know B

[TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Not sure what the question is Kay but I'm assuming it has to do with the "Law" am I right?  Didn't Jesus say that love fulfills all of the law and the prophets?  He fulfilled the law and we fulfill it also through Him while being conformed to His image.   In writing about becoming all things

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Gary D Ottoson
myth (jt resolves most biblical questions apriori w/ finality, not via negotiatg vigorous, rigorous hermeneutic expertise existentially; if it's 'hermeneutic', DavidM, then it's after the fashion of pseudo-intellectual cult/sect administrators wielding autocratic self-confirmation, rubber

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
I've got a question, then. First of all, I'm not too awful bright...so bear with me. Let's seeyou who practice lawlessness. Lawlessnesswithout law, or, in other words, sin. Without lawh...gimme a bit to think. Adding or taking away from the Word of God.I've heard that be

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:05:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has save

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Hehehe... Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 19.45 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2 I don't know about Messi's being the only real Christians, b

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Some have it more than others. I can smell a rat from several states away, too. :) Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 18.15 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 9:42:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1.  Jack tells him:  You need to Repent!  The kingdom of God is forbidden to you except you repent.  Stop your sinning, and get right with God. 2.  Sam tells him:  No worries, my good friend.  You are alrig

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Jonathan Hughes wrote: Terry, you are such a prick. It is bad enough that Judy monopolizes the idiot portion of this forum to have you tack on such an insensitive comment. You are an embarrassment to this forum. Jonathan 'ticked off at how people have treated Bill, ticked off at how the hypocrite

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know about Messi's being the only real Christians, but I know Utah is the only true state. I still maintain Ross Perot would have made a great Pres!! :) -- "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, David, I didn't. You do realize, though, that Messi's are the only real Christians

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > David, "as I have defined it" is the way moral > relativists justify sin. But what does the term "Christian" have to do with morality? When you are ready to exclude Roman Catholicism and United Pentecostals from Christianity, then maybe we can talk more about your definition. Pe

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: I just skimmed most of this. But I'm not understanding why God would allegedly tell you something contrary to His Wordsuch as this "age of this and that". Sounds like dispensationalism to mewhich is clearly NOT Scriptural. I'm not going to debate over this, but I ask...w

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:14:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2 Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. Perry, knowing Corinth the way we do,  the above passag

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:40:05 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allow me to chim in here.    Salvation is not a legal issue. Not any more.   Do you presently claim to be doctrinally correct about every biblical issue?  Is there a chance, perhaps a good chance that you will change your mind abo

RE: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Terry, you are such a prick. It is bad enough that Judy monopolizes the idiot portion of this forum to have you tack on such an insensitive comment. You are an embarrassment to this forum. Jonathan 'ticked off at how people have treated Bill, ticked off at how the hypocrite and lying Judy gets aw

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:30:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like the men of Nineveh pleased God by Believing This belief produced outward fruit when they proclaimed a fast Jonah 3:5 &repenting in sackloth &ashes Jonah 3:6 Perry:  Two things  --  your p

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > Romans 2:15 -16 speaks only of a maybe > situation : "..their conscience either > accusing or defending them " > In Christ, we have the assurance of our salvation > --- or, at least, some of us do. > ... > Does "either accusing or defending" sound like

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Jeff Powers
So Sara has a new album out?  I'd like to see her and Troy again. I haven't seen them since I turned down Sara's offer to tour with them as her Sound Tech. Jeff   Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors, we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.-

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:51:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, John... The financing on the home and property came through.. in duplicate. We can choose between two banks (Wells Fargo, I guess just took too long.). By the way, warn Bill T for me. I plan

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:42:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: = In more than one place in God's word, we are warned not to add to or take from God's word.  The punishment is having your name removed from the book of life if I r

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
I just skimmed most of this. But I'm not understanding why God would allegedly tell you something contrary to His Wordsuch as this "age of this and that". Sounds like dispensationalism to mewhich is clearly NOT Scriptural. I'm not going to debate over this, but I ask...was it God you heard

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you knew you were going to die tomorrow,   and you had a chance to tell me something, what would it be?   I's like to know the answer to that one from anyone on this list.  John === I would say that I am a little afraid because I ha

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary manners—his words are always loving.  However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? I think not. Izzy You pretend that your reality is Dave's and then you draw your conclusion.  Izzy believes thus and

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Speaking of such, I am of the opinion (have I ever been taught this???) that we are born with a propensity to sin—not actually already condemned by sin (since we haven’t yet).  So, in that case, anyone who dies prior to actually sinning is not under God’s judgment, and does not go to hell. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
If you knew you were going to die tomorrow,   and you had a chance to tell me something, what would it be?   BYE! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:45:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:    

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
That I wouldn't know, but I would venture to guess, uh... YES! However, I'd have to ask my brother who married a Mexican gal whose mother cooks a killer menudo (did I spell that correctly?) -- or so I've heard. I eat vegetarian at his home (that's a joke... kinda). By the w

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:54:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I read you correctly, you're asking "Does God allow people to worship him differently than the Jewish?" And the answer ifs Yes. One of my professors sees the Je

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:13:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try this   buk buk buk buk b'gock!   <:^   -- slade AAA  -- the theater of the mind      I've heard that eggs taste better than tripe?  John

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
Try this   buk buk buk buk b'gock!   <:^   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 16.12To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Writ

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Bill Taylor wrote: Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree edified by my contribution. I pray the best for you all. I have greatly appreciated your contribution. I consider you to be the greatest theologian on TruthTalk. I sure hope you a

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What I find curious is why you find the word "Christian" so sacred that it must only include those who truly believe in Christ. Does one come into relationship with Christ by joining the Christian religion, or by simple faith in

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:45:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Judy, You are impossible! If I answer you at all, it will be at a time that I would otherwise be wasting anywa

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
David do you also use this approach on Sodomites? If a Sodomite claims to follow Jesus is he a Christian? If you tell him so don't you give him a False Hope? That is the problem with your False definition.   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Charles Perry Locke

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:44:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: âOne who is truly in (the real) Christ.â  (Not a member of a church.) How do we know if we are truly in the real Chist? Off the top of my head I will say we are:   1) Filled with His Spirit 2) Wal

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
John says: Would God's tolerance of other religions , alla Ninevah     God did not TOLERATE Nineveh he laid it waste details in the Bible; Read it. Nahum 2:8,3:7 I think the interesting thing is God sends a preacher to one of Israels greatest enemies Asyria. No wonder Jonah was not keen on the idea

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The term "Christian" as I have defined it does not lose all meaning. Only those who profess an attempt to follow Christ would be included. This would exclude Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, etc. who do not see that Jesus Christ holds such a pro

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 8:44:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they never hear about Jesus they are guaranteed a ticket to heaven. Actually, once again, you missed the point.   No one is saying this.   Romans 2:15 -16 speaks only of a maybe situation  :  ".

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:33:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would say -- "How about them Dodgers?" Bill :>) What if I said that "free moral agency" is a problem for God  --   who is not a free moral agent;  that His "all knowing" acclaim (a claim h

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:27:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary mannersâhis words are always loving.  However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? I think not. Izzy You pretend that

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:14:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I said, for the life of me, I don't get it. I am sorry. You caught the brunt of my frustration. I have posted numerous times on the sufficiency of Christ's finished work to save babies the same way he has save

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Slade Henson wrote: How many wives do you have, Dave? DAVEH:  Just one, Kay. But not because JSmith said so, right DaveH? Izzy I don't think Dave or his lovely ever met Smith.   Was it a temple weddi

RE: [TruthTalk]

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
HUH?   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bill TaylorSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2005 11.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree ed

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
DavidM, perhaps we are not far apart but I still feel very uncomfortable with your definition   I knew a guy who told everyone how much he loved his wife. He said he was never happier than when he was a married man and his wife was wonderful. Anumber of years into the marriage they broke up after

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:44:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:    Anyway..Some folks consider Mormons to be those who belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.   A broader definition would be...Mormons are those who belong to one of the denominations

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:54:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I read you correctly, you're asking "Does God allow people to worship him differently than the Jewish?" And the answer ifs Yes. One of my professors sees the Jerusalem Council in Acts as permission to den

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I was just wanting your definition of Mormon you have since sent it. Thanks   Do you disagree with the fact that for a Mormon the Living Prophet is the ultimate Authority on this earth? How do you determine just WHEN to FOLLOW the PROPHET?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:  Hey Kevin...

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > ... if you want to open up the definition to include > everyone who may use the name of Christ in the > name of their Church, or may claim to believe in > Him but does not, and says they follow Him, but > do not, or claims that some strange alien jesus > from Kolob is the same one as

Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> ... the Lord told me that I was functioning as a >> prophet ... SLADE wrote: > How clear was this message? Was it riddled > with parables? Was the message clear, concise, > and very much to the point? The message was very clear, but perhaps not the absolute clearest revelat

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
My point is why do you continue to exclude David from the "Christian" category? He said he worships GOD, though he believes there are other gods.    Only God can really exclude him. Now according to the definition I provided of Christian One valid way of determining what fits that definition is t

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, David, amen. Izzy -Original Message- Now which of these two people, given the facts established, should be considered to be the most loving? I think it would be Jack. Proverbs 27:5-6 (5) Open rebuke is better than secret love. (6) Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kis

Re: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary > manners-his words are always loving. However, > is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning > religion? I think not. We do have to be careful how we interpret love. I'm sure Jesus did not appear to be loving the times

RE: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oracles that should be remembered, as spoken by David Miller! Izzy   -Original Message-    1.So rather than using my theology to interpret the passage, I let the passage speak for itself and then adjust my theology to align with all the remaining passages of Scripture.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: > I am fairly confident that most Trinitarians would agree > with me on the wooing. I am certain that James and > Thomas Torrance do in fact believe this, and teach it > (although dear old J.B. is now deceased). The wooing > is but one aspect of a thoroughly participatory salvati

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Nice talk, Bill.  I did “ask questions for clarification”, and this is what I get? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:31 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are W

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: > Good bye, everyone. I hope that you > were at least to a certain degree edified > by my contribution. I pray the best for > you all. I have greatly appreciated your contribution. I consider you to be the greatest theologian on TruthTalk. I sure hope you are not saying goodb

Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

2005-01-13 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: > Please do not take offense at this, but it concerns > me very much the way you are wont to re-direct > a discussion away from the big picture which holds > it all together. Perhaps this is not so great a problem > -- your method -- in the physical sciences, but I find > it quit

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Slade Henson
My point is why do you continue to exclude David from the "Christian" category? He said he worships GOD, though he believes there are other gods.   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursday, 13 January, 2

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Different Roads

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Correct, so what is your point?Slade Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Still overly vague and broad. This would include many brands of people and many different denominations.   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursda

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

2005-01-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Very interesting this talk of plural wives    Any member of the "Utah" Mormons would be EX'ed if it was public knowledge or he publicly spoke of multiple wives in this life. Of course you can be sealed to more than one in the Temple. In the afterlife you can have a harem full.   http://scriptures.l

[TruthTalk]

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Good bye, everyone. I hope that you were at least to a certain degree edified by my contribution. I pray the best for you all.   Bill Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill, you call what I wrote above “venting”???  I call it calm, sincere questions which you have avoided answering by calling it venting.  This is what I would call “venting”: Judy, You are impossible! Bill Izzy  I am glad we are getting to know each other better. No, That is the truth!

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yeah, Izzy, I know. At that point I was just beginning to brew. The pot boiled later on -- poor Debbie! I think that your answer is a practical-outworking part of the full answer, but it does not address the theological 'whys' of this issue. Like why were those babies even alive in the fi

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Bill if I apologized to you back then it may have been for misunderstanding Newbigin, it certainly wasn't for consigning him to hell which was your accusation yesterday and which incidentally John has picked up on. Amazing how bad news spreads.  I am not turning on you, nor am I reframing

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-13 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: How loving and how comforting for you to let me know I am a waste of time Bill.  Oh well, I can't say I expected much more than a big "rejection" sticker from you - but then hope springs eternal :). You are definitely not open to question or examine anything you have been taught by the "

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks for the helpful information. If you come across anything more, would you please let me know about it. I am very interested. Bill - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism > Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-13 Thread Bill Taylor
Excuse me, Judy, for what do I need to repent? At the time this took place you apologized to me for your accusation and admitted that you had judged him without first understanding his position. Are you now taking that back and turning on me? I am at a loss to know how to take you. You asked

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