Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
I get it.   Can't really find anything wrong with the article so you resort to playing God.  What is it with the right wingers.    Whine about the finger article and pass judgment like you were God.   I will hang around, hoping  for some form of intelligent discussion.   But talking with those wh

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Caroline: When David counted his fighting men (which was a bad thing) , 2 Samuel 24 said God made him do it but 1 Chron. 21 said Satan made him do it.   God sends Evil and often it is Delivered by Satan!   Judy: Death and destruction are "evil" no matter what words you use to try and make th

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are of your Father[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is more than incredible that we continue to have this discussion.   The administration of the will of the Father has changed, folks  There is a New Covenant (Jere 31:31-34).  In Christ, the accomplishment of His will has taken place (Eph 1:11) and 

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 8:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did not say that I drop in once in a while  .   but that is not important to you.   You will continue to misapply whatever is said, by me or anyone.   A very bad habit, Judy.  Jd Wait ju

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:46:13 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 3/20/2005 7:27:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Must be a different outfit John; I'm not talking about attitudes of ppl or their shapes and sizes. The meetings I go to are

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 7:27:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Must be a different outfit John; I'm not talking about attitudes of ppl or their shapes and sizes. The meetings I go to are very structured with no time for what you call "sharing"  We answer questions from t

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD So why did he kill himself?   Pissed about not getting enough money?    His suicide was the most profound _expression_ of repentance he could come up with  as is the case with many who commit this action.   For Judas, it was over and he was a big player in The Defeat

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:58:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope!  Not with God either.  Sorrow and repentance are not the same.  If Judas had turned from sin to God he would have asked for forgiveness and would not have murdered himself.  He did not ask and he did sin

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:12:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why would a Christian, taught to love his enemy, need to know this? Terry There are such on TT?   Huh.  Yep.  We are all taught to

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
Stop straining at that KNAT you mite hurt yourself! In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:44:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of all the English words the KJV translator could have used for the Hebrew word, he picked the wrong one. I'll put in the better word in red in the p

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:33:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not an expert of Hebrew but the people who gave us the modern translations are. Are they?  Upon what basis do you make this claim Caroline? come on Judy.   Basis?   The fact that you have a Bible to r

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:32:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry: Sorry mamn, but the above is wrong.  Judas realized he was wrong, but he never repented.  Lots of people know when they are doing wrong and enjoy it.  True repentance comes from a contrite heart and r

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:20:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry mamn, but the above is wrong.  Judas realized he was wrong, but he never repented.  Lots of people know when they are doing wrong and enjoy it.  True repentance comes from a contrite heart and results in

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 4:12:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And why would a Christian, taught to love his enemy, need to know this? Terry There are such on TT?   Huh. 

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 3:43:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your BSF is apparently an abhorrent one also JD because where I live you are either in or you are out - mess around and you lose your spot. The classification "attending many a class" is not exactly being co

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
Lance has already suggested the possibility of inaccuracy in this accounting.   I don't know.   But I hastely blame it on my son-in-law, anyway.  JD  In a message dated 3/20/2005 3:36:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow. Who kyew?   :-) - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 3:18:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I keep pinching myself - hopefully I will wake up.  jt It hasn't worked up until now.   I don't think it will ever happen.  But we continue to love you anyway, as best we can.  And let's stop pitching

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
It is more than incredible that we continue to have this discussion.   The administration of the will of the Father has changed, folks  There is a New Covenant (Jere 31:31-34).  In Christ, the accomplishment of His will has taken place (Eph 1:11) and  those who live in unbelief are condemned a

RE: [TruthTalk] Evil & God hath he not done it?

2005-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Kevin, Your posts are so full of the power of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for your faithfulness, Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evil & God

RE: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
  >Caroline: >Judas realized he had betrayed an innocent man and he was "seized with >remorse". He returned the 30 pieces of silver and he hung himself. But I >guess that won't count as repentance with some people. >    It didn't count with Jesus, who said:(John 17:12) "While I wa

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
  Judy: Death and destruction are "evil" no matter what words you use to try and make them say something different.  Satan is the one who comes to steal, kill, and destroy and his works are always evil.  Jesus came to give life and that more abundantly.  Jesus blesses, Satan imp

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
I was thinking of "metanoia" which means to change one's mind. This word is translated as "repent" in our bibles. It's the same concept in Exodus 32:14 "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." KJV [NIV version is "Then the LORD relented and did not bring on hi

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:01:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 3/20/2005 1:35:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Did you stick with it JD or just attend a few classes?  It's a seven year deal and I'm in my 4th year; just a fewclasses would not quali

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
When the Bible says Judas was seized with sorrow, that means that he thought to himself, "I really screwed up this time.  The only solution is to kill myself".  (bad solution, removing guilt felt for one sin by committing another. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok; e.g., does NT 'seized

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
Judy: The Trinity is not named anywhere in scripture - the Godhead is which consists of the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit.  Scripture should be God's Word although this is also doubtful with the advent of newer versions; it's more like they contain some of God's Word which is kind o

Re: [TruthTalk] Broadminded Neo's

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is no room for broadmindedness in the chemical laboratory. Water is composed of two parts, hydrogen and one part oxygen. The slightest deviation from the formula is forbidden.There is no room for broadmindedness in music. The skilled director will not permit his first violin to play even so m

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE Theology from some dead guys & LEFTist Evangel's

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 2:36:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow! And here I was thinking that watching an episode of Carnivale might bring me down. PS 28:1 Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like THEM

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ttxpress
ok; e.g., does NT 'seized' relate in its context to 'hanged'?   how so?   On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:59:59 -0600 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does the NT word 'seized' mean/suggest?   That would depend on what words it was use

Re: [TruthTalk] Evil & God hath he not done it?

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Some confuse God and Evil with Immoral & cruel. This is similar to the Mormons who have a hard time with the statement that God REPENTED and God hardens hearts! Do not confuse a hard heart with God leading into sin which He would never do. God saying He hardened Pharaoh's heart is also not contradi

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Caroline, is suicide, such as hanging oneself, a sin? Can one repent of sin after one is dead? If you answered "yes', then 'no' to these questions, then how did Judas repent by hanging himself? Perry From: "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 1:35:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you stick with it JD or just attend a few classes?  It's a seven year deal and I'm in my 4th year; just a few classes would not qualify anyone to make a judgment one way or the other.  This also includes

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does the NT word 'seized' mean/suggest?   That would depend on what words it was used with.  My basic understanding is that of grasping tightly, with or without the middle finger. Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Evil & God hath he not done it?

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
EVIL definition: Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction   Here in Luke 13, we have two stories of people being swept away in sudden death. Was this Evil cruel & immoral? No the judgement of God is JUST not cruel nor immoral.Luke 13:1 There were present at that seas

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ttxpress
what does the NT word 'seized' mean/suggest?   On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:57:45 -0600 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Caroline Wong wrote: Terry: Sorry mamn, but the above is wrong.  Judas realized he was wrong, but he never repented.  Lots of people k

Re: [TruthTalk] English bowman stories

2005-03-20 Thread ttxpress
the 'ministry' of God's 'grace' now involves God's judgment/s encompassed in love for any of you   eschatologically, could we replace the word 'now', abv, with 'always'?   why/why not?   G     On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:44:43 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  .. ['communi

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: Terry: Sorry mamn, but the above is wrong.  Judas realized he was wrong, but he never repented.  Lots of people know when they are doing wrong and enjoy it.  True repentance comes from a contrite heart and results in turning from sin to God. Caroline:

Re: [TruthTalk] English bowman stories

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ   PH 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of

[TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
  Of all the English words the KJV translator could have used for the Hebrew word, he picked the wrong one. I'll put in the better word in red in the post below. Sorry to those who are not reading in "rich text"   jt: Caroline if you are going to correct Isaiah 45:7 then you will need to cor

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Stop straining at that KNAT you mite hurt yourself!Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's W

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
JUDAS MT 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. He then went out and HUNG himself! 2 Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.   Esau

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:31:51 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   Hi Judy; I'll respond to the first part later... God is not evil. He does not create evil. He can not do evil.   jt: I agree that God is holy, just, and righteous. I am not calling Him evil.  However, He is

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
Terry: Sorry mamn, but the above is wrong.  Judas realized he was wrong, but he never repented.  Lots of people know when they are doing wrong and enjoy it.  True repentance comes from a contrite heart and results in turning from sin to God. Caroline: Judas realized he had betrayed an innoce

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
TERRY says Those who are reconciled are adopted as His children.     BUT LDS teach we are all God's offspring & children. So what could this ADOPTION thing be? Where are the theologs when ya need em?   Romans 8:15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received t

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: It is out of love that He judges us. How else will we know what we're doing isn't right or hurting somebody or opening doors for Satan? But when we repent (which can run the gamut from realizing we're wrong to being devastated by what we did), He forgives. And t

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: History of Middle Finger   History of Middle Finger... Well, now..here's something I never knew before, and now that I know it, I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends in the hope that they, too, will feel edified. Isn't his

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: ---   Only murdering God carries such a penalty, and anyone who rejects Him is complicit in His death. DAVEH:  My under

Re: [TruthTalk] Why hasn't a single BoM site been identified?

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE says Give us a break, Kevin, we will  find it all and more.   So if we book a tour to these areas we can start digging and find those DEFORMED EGYPTIAN writings and all sorts of Lamanite/Nephite evidence? In what Museum can I view these artifacts?   BLAINE says Yet you claim you believe in

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:46:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have attended many a BSF class.  Here in Fresno, we have church attenders and none church attenders,  Presbys, Baptist,  Catholics  --   you name it.   BSF is about the building up of the individual in Ch

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
Wow. Who kyew?   :-) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family Subject: History of Middle Finger History of Middle F

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath Hi Judy;   Of all the English words the KJV trans

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Someone please help me to understand what the problem is on this forum with God's Word? Except for a few valiant souls it appears to be anathema and anything is preferred before what Lance so delicately calls "citations" ... so we have been treated to endless quotes by Dylan; lines from outd

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
C says How else will we know what we're doing isn't right or hurting somebody   HOW ELSE? PS 119 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Psa 119:9  Wherewithall shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. Eph 5:26 That

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:35:55 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It is out of love that He judges us. How else will we know what we're doing isn't right or hurting somebody or opening doors for Satan?   Actually God's way is for parents to instruct their children in God's Wo

Re: [TruthTalk] Why hasn't a single BoM site been identified?

2005-03-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin wrote: BoM LANDS? NONE BLAINE: Serious research has just gotten under way, and already, Nahom (NHM)as a place name mentioned in the BoM has been located about where it should have been on the Arabian Peninsula. The place Bountiful has been positively identified. There are MANY place

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE Theology from some dead guys & LEFTist Evangel's

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
"Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing," whether in jest or earnest. Those that lie in jest will (without repentance) go to hell in earnest. John Trapp CHS Treasury of David "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight." Sinners are fools written large. A little sin is a great folly, and the gre

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
  PS 1:4 "The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away" C H Spurgeon Treasury of David PS 7 Verse 11. "God judgeth the righteous," he hath not given thee up to be condemned by the lips of persecutors. Thine enemies cannot sit on God's throne, nor blot thy name out of

RE: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance has apparently forgotten that he has called people by entirely wrong names for lengthy periods of time. (That splinter vs log in the eye thingy.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:11 PM To: TruthT

RE: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
More edifying information from JD. (not)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:56 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family   Subject: His

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Right Lance, like chatting often with doctors makes you into a physician?  Get a life. A foundation like that is shifting sand - it's hearsay at best and wouldn't stand in a court of law; you are pontificating in ignorance.  jt   On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:44:51 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Caroline Wong
It is out of love that He judges us. How else will we know what we're doing isn't right or hurting somebody or opening doors for Satan? But when we repent (which can run the gamut from realizing we're wrong to being devastated by what we did), He forgives. And then He teaches us the right wa

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE Theology from some dead guys & LEFTist Evangel's

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Wow! And here I was thinking that watching an episode of Carnivale might bring me down.   PS 28:1 Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like THEM that go down into the pit.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow! And here I was th

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Reminds me of a short stint I did in the auxillary Air Force. They taught us the origin of so many things that have since proved to be completely useless. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2005 16:55 Subj

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Gary Cooper. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2005 16:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"? In a message dated 3/16/2005 10:34:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE Theology from some dead guys & LEFTist Evangel's

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Wow! And here I was thinking that watching an episode of Carnivale might bring me down. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2005 16:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HATE Theology from some dead guys & LEFTist Evan

Re: [TruthTalk] A little history from a memer of my family

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
Subject: History of Middle Finger   History of Middle Finger... Well, now..here's something I never knew before, and now that I know it, I feel compelled to send it on to my more intelligent friends in the hope that they, too, will feel edified. Isn't history more fun when you know something

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Exclude John? Sure! Why not? However, when it comes to me, the single most penetrating pontificator on TT, you must take it back. Actually, I've chatted often with 'lifers' (people who've been attending faithfully for much longer than a paltry four (4) years). It is upon this thoroughly soun

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/16/2005 10:34:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary's 'Dylanesque' question is truly one of the best ever put on TT. That is exactly how Bill and I felt the moment we read the question.   Really.   Of course Hansen stole all our thunder and then, then 

Re: [TruthTalk] HATE Theology from some dead guys & LEFTist Evangel's

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Psalm 139:19-22 Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. God hates the sinner and not just the sin.  He plans to destroy liars, and every unrepen

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Did you stick with it JD or just attend a few classes?  It's a seven year deal and I'm in my 4th year; just a few classes would not qualify anyone to make a judgment one way or the other.  This also includes Lance who is passing judgment from the Bookstore down the street.    jt     On Sun,

[TruthTalk] Fw: McLaren on his new book

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: March 20, 2005 16:25 Subject: McLaren on his new book > > Spring Update > > Hi, friends - thanks for visiting the site. If you're new - I hope > you'll find helpful infor

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
In his 'Chronicles Volume I' Dylan speaks of listening to the Timster at one of the local clubs. If your taste runs in this direction (Gary) go out and rent 'Ramblin Jack' (Elliot) who was mentored by Woodie Guthrie. (DVD) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:57:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks TINY! ??? Tiny (?  )   I'm in love.  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:53:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD calls JT a HERETIC just like Paul !!! You need to review on that creative reading class you took at Slydell.   Post that section of my script in which I said this.   Did you bother to read the post?   I

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks TINY! ???[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:44:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So Tip Toe thru the Tulips with me. The picture conjured up with this _expression_ is simply more than I can bear at this time.  A red beer awaits this apostle.  Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
BSF? Who "they" is? ( for all "THEM" to the LEFT of Judy )[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:14:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually BSF would have no problem with this since it is scripture - They are more concerned withaberrent theologies expounde

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD calls JT a HERETIC just like Paul !!!   Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets You know you Bible Believers are such a pain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:44:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So Tip Toe thru the Tulips with me. The picture conjured up with this _expression_ is simply more than I can bear at this time.  A red beer awaits this apostle.  Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:43:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have attended many a BSF class.  Here in Fresno, we have church attenders and none church attenders,  Presbys, Baptist,  Catholics  --   you name it.   BSF is about the building up of the indiv

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Caroline has been a breath of fresh air on TT. So Tip Toe thru the Tulips with me. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even though this is a form of 'anthropological theology', I do find this more commensurate with 'the fullest revelation of God' (Jesus - to quote Caroline) than that which is

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:14:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually BSF would have no problem with this since it is scripture - They are more concerned with aberrent theologies expounded by wolves who come wearing sheep's clothing.  Sorry, wrong again Lance.  Have

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 10:44:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "God saw their works that they turned from their evil way and God repented of the evil that he had said that he would do unto them and he did it not" Jonah 3:10.   to imagine that God is thinking of "evil"

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
I did read what you wrote. There's a BSF group meeting just up the street from the store. Many come in for the occasional chat. ACTUALLY BSF WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. That which has been written by you, Linda, Kevin and, David would probably cause the group to disband. I'm quite seriou

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I spelled it correctly in all but one place Lance, did you read what I wrote or only fault find/critique? Actually BSF would have no problem with this since it is scripture - They are more concerned with aberrent theologies expounded by wolves who come wearing sheep's clothing.  Sorry, wrong

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Carolyn (sp) Should be Caroline.   You've illustrated why BSF will not permit you to expound on your beliefs.   - Original Message - rom: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2005 13:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Dave Hansen wrote:   Terry: I cannot think of any other reason why God may write one off in such a manner, than that the crime deserves the punishment.    DAVEH:    What crime deserves physical torture forever, Terry?    If somebody brutally murdered your only son, would you want to physica

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:27:35 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dear Kevin; Thank you for your post on Strong's Hebrew definitions of the word ra. Of the possible English choices the KJV translator had when translating Isaiah 45:7, he picked the wrong one. To say that God cr

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
Even though this is a form of 'anthropological theology', I do find this more commensurate with 'the fullest revelation of God' (Jesus - to quote Caroline) than that which is being put forward by some others. IFF they have unwittingly mishandled scripture, how sad for the sake of the gospel.

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Dave Hansen
Terry Clifton wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: I cannot think of any other reason why God may write one off in such a manner, than that the crime deserves the punishment. DAVEH:    What crime deserves physical torture forever, Terry?    If somebody brutall

Re: [TruthTalk] On Barth

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/4/2005 10:59:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had the originals.  Bought them at a yard sale.  Trouble was, I couldn't read them.  They were written by foriegners.  Used them to wrap some fish bait.  I think I'm better off with the copy. I can read that

RE: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:20 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath   In a message dated 3/20/2005 7:13:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 7:13:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And Izzy  --  if you still reading my posts; next I out there,  I will make a special trip to see you.   Bill and I assumed you would not appreciate the visit.   I am thinking that is or was a mistake.  I'll

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 7:07:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: why not perfect?   On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:03:02 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a simple and civil discussion of biblical ideas would be [good].  Absolutely correct, Sir  !! Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/20/2005 5:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He hates with a pure hatred not a twisted emotion that you describe here. The hate of man is based on how it relates to ME &only me, not what is good for others. God hates evil and that which pollutes and des

RE: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
And Izzy  --  if you still reading my posts; next I out there,  I will make a special trip to see you.   Bill and I assumed you would not appreciate the visit.   I am thinking that is or was a mistake.  I'll bring flowers.   JD You’d better. Izzy  

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ttxpress
isn't there an eschatological tension (perhaps) betw the loving God (loving) and the loving God judging..e.g. Jn 3:17 ff.?   your perception of it?     On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:31:26 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judge Judy?   ||

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread ttxpress
why not perfect?   On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:03:02 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  a simple and civil discussion of biblical ideas would be [good].  

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/19/2005 9:44:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was telling his disciples about hell. "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," he thundered. "But Rabbi," someone asked, "what if the sinner does not have teeth?" Jesus fixes him with a steely lo

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: I cannot think of any other reason why God may write one off in such a manner, than that the crime deserves the punishment. DAVEH:    What crime deserves physical torture forever, Terry?    If somebody brutally murdered your only son, would you want to ph

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
God is not a man He hates with a pure hatred not a twisted emotion that you describe here. The hate of man is based on how it relates to ME & only me, not what is good for others. God hates evil and that which pollutes and destroys good. Like the Gardener who hates weeds, what is wrong with pulling

Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH Due to the Lord's grace, all will be resurrected. Yes some to Heaven & some to HELL depending on their acceptance or rejection of that grace. Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to Shame and EVERlasting Contempt.

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