Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
I opened up by apologizing for using a term that someone else thought was an ad-hom, and Dave took full advantage of the opportunity to deride me about it for several days. DAVEH:   Sounds like you might be hallucinating again, Perry.  While my memory certainly isn't as sharp as it used to be,

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
you stated..."and pray you would change your back stabbing ways" DAVEH:   Wow, Dean.   You have now presented us with an interesting question to ponder.  You posted a few of my words (above) taken wholly out of context, which diametrically changed their meaning to exactly the opposite of what I

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   There's the problem, Dean.   When I asked you the question, Are you hallucinating again, Dean?, you automatically assume that I am accusing you of hallucinating.   That's not the case at all.  It is a rhetorical question, not an accusation.  You are just saying things that I would thin

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
Is this really part of accepted Mormon doctrine? DAVEH:   No Judy, it is not part of Mormon Doctrine.  It is just that some anti-Mormon folks want people to think it is a part of our theology. Judy Taylor wrote: cd: By the way -You are claiming I have hallucinations now. DaveH I am n

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   The proof is in the pudding, Dean.  JS did not claim to see 6'2" Quakers on the moon.  Nor did he claim there were 6'4" Quakers on the moon.  Nor did he claim there were 7' Quakers on the moon.  Those were apparently all figments of your imagination, Dean.  If you were not hallucinati

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    LOL.Glad to see you've maintained a little sense of humor, Dean! :-) Dean Moore wrote: Z .  cd: Hey -Wake up!!!  

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    LOL AgainMore humor, Dean.I'm impressed!    You are getting better at this.  Keep a smile on your face and keep posting stuff like this.  It's much better than your other tactics, which weren't doing you any favors IMO.  You've even got me chuckling a couple times tonight.

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
Dave, you just don't quit, do you. DAVEH:   That's right Perry...It's one of my weaknesses.  I don't quit as long as others keep pushing. Now you are implying that I am not a clear thinking American. Nice jab DAVEH:   It does seem that way, eh!   Look at what you said to John about my sm

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
It appears as though Dean isn't the only one hallucinating about this Daveh, the following are quotes and prophecies by Joseph Smith taken from a Christian Apologetics site; sounds to me as though JS himself was the delusional one.   Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon wh

[TruthTalk] Restoration versus Condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
More delusional statements made by Mormon leadership (see fact #17)   FACT #6. Mormons consider Polygamy a righteous principle which will be practiced in heaven.Although there is nothing in the Bible that will support this thinking, current Mormon Scripture has this to say: "...if any ma

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:16 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Is this really part of accepted Mormon doctrine?DAVEH:   No Judy, it is not part of Mormon Doctrine.  It is just that some anti-Mormon folks want people to think it is a part of our theology.   I don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
What does it matter if it is doctrine or not. Of course it is not. The problem is not only joe but also brigham and others said such Ludicrous things. Some were said in sermons which brigham said were "scripture" In sermon he said there are inhabitants on the Sun How about the Standard Works talki

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Dean don't you know you must be PERFECT in ALL of your statements. If you make a mistake it gives LDS folks a excuse to negate ALL you ever say.   Too bad they do not apply that same STANDARD to any LDS statements.   DH relax it was only Deans "PERSONAL OPINION"Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus Condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Now that man has walked on the Moon, there can be no doubt that there aren't any 6 foot tall Quakers roaming its surface.   Maybe they were missed because they were on the dark side Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: More delusional statements made by Mormon leadership (see fact #17)   F

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus Condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
SPACED OUT or Inspired you decide:   Space Missionary O B Huntington said "In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I would preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and -- to the inhabitants of the moon, even

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, In my response below I intentionally used hyperbole to point out the fact that, while you appear to apologize on the surface, your "apology" is really full of further insults, negating any veiled attempt at an apology. I guess there is no accounting for your bad and biased memory. Y

Re: [TruthTalk] Change

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
  NACR Daily Meditation for Monday, Oct 24, 2005We ought always to thank God for you, brothers, and rightly so, because your faith is growing more and more, and the love every one of you has for each other is increasing. Therefore, among

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
2 - 15    ---   substance v personal jive 

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, can you provide a little more context for the statement below? Perhaps I have not been following very closed the thread to which this is relevant. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus con

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to the Garden

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
        On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:15:22 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you have a comment concerning the demonstrable use of the words/concepts "FAther" and "Son" as applied to the God the Old Testament.   You seem to ignore this fact as you try to move away from the subject of this threa

Re: [TruthTalk] Change

2005-10-25 Thread Terry Clifton
This is all true, John, but we have to be careful not to think we are doing these things to become more Christlike..  We will grow in faith and in love because we are Christians, because Christ is in us.  A squirrel does not learn to climb a tree so he can be a squirrel.  He climbs a tree becau

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Stop making lite of the substantial difference between mormonism and true Christianity with your JIVE TALKIN --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2 - 15--- substance v personal jive > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD does not think your post of any substance and thus not worthy of his perusal --- Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, can you provide a little more context for the statement below? > Perhaps > I have not been following very closed the thread to which this is > relevant. > >

Re: [TruthTalk] CANCELLED Homo Debauch FEST!

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
If a city is considering one of these vile festivals, they might want to reconsider in light of current events. TWO biggest Homo fests cancelled on account of rain? Just a co-inky dink! I thought it was kind of weird that Wilma went s slow and just hung around then finally turned and sped up

Re: [TruthTalk] Change

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
Couldn't agree more.  In fact,  a very good illustration.   I hope you see that when Bill or I speak of obedience,  we are saying precisely what you have said.   At least it seems that way to me.  We do not obey to get saved but because of that circumstance.   When it is all said and done, we all

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
2 - 16  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:43:54 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller Stop making lite of the substantial difference between mormonism and true Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are so WITTY, even if you say so yourself. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2 - 16 > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:43:54 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnatio

[TruthTalk] "To the Square": Was: Restoration versus condemnation

2005-10-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, for someone who is not interested in a specific thread, you sure spend a lot of energy keeping score...according to your own scoring standard, of course. Do you not consider it significant that mormons raise their arms "to the square" and chant "Pay Lay Ale" three times in their ritual

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
3-16  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:41:46 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller You are so WITTY, even if you say so yourself. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2

Re: [TruthTalk] "To the Square": Was: Restoration versus condemnation

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
Two of the "substantials" were from JT and included some interesting quotes from the Mormon folk.    I am thinking that "pay lay Ale" has something to do with apple cider .   No?     Jd  -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: T

Re: [TruthTalk] "To the Square": Was: Restoration versus condemnation

2005-10-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, you are right. You decoded the secret message. You get the prize! The mormons drink apple cider! On a more serious note, though, you truly do not have anything to say about the allegation that the writer of the referenced web page makes? (And there are many that concur with that assessme

RE: FW: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine

2005-10-25 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 10/24/2005 3:57:15 PM Subject: FW: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine Here’s the post.  DaveH’s remarks are at the very bottom, and it doesn’t look to me like he accused CD of anything to me.  iz   cd

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dean Moore
cd: When debating DaveH I have learned to notice the little things and viewed the back stabbing remark as a way of suggesting it was a part of my nature-but it is very possible that I read into the remark some thing other then what Dave intended-And because of that doubt I apologize to DaveH and

RE: [TruthTalk] Change

2005-10-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
And some folks on TT are more than just a little squirrely.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:44 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Change   This is all true, John, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Thank you for the apology, Dean.  I appreciate your humility in this, and you have my forgiveness.  I shan't mention it again, nor remember it was at one time an issue.  (And with my bad memorythat won't be hard.)    :-) Dean Moore wrote: cd: When debating DaveH I ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Good thinking,Dean.  You did what pleases the Lord. Terry Dean Moore wrote: cd: When debating DaveH I have learned to notice the little things and viewed the back stabbing remark as a way of suggesting it was a part of my nature-but it is very possible that I read into the remark s

[TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: Civil Discussion

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   I want to thank you for the change in tone, Perry.  I will endeavor to reciprocate.   Hopefully we can have a civil discussion without the need to go into an attack mode. your "apology" is really full of further insults, negating any veiled attempt at an apology. DAVEH:   That i

RE: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-10-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks to everyone who apologized to each other.  This is much more like it, and I know we all endeavor to be as forgiving to each other as our heavenly Father has been towards us.  Furthermore, keep in mind that Jesus abased Himself to lift us up.  Long ago I gave my own “reputation” to Hi

Re: [TruthTalk] "To the Square": Was: Restoration versus condemnation

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
Perry  --   I knew I would have something of substance to say about the subject when you introduced "Ale" into the idscussion.     I would not be surprised to hear a reasonable explanation to the point you made about the Satan thingy.   A person who claims the name of Christ and , thus, the brot

Re: [TruthTalk] Paul : culture versus command

2005-10-25 Thread knpraise
  Let's talk "stupid," shall we.   Let me give it to you in a nut shall -  undeniable and in your face.   A definition personified,  if you will.   And what would that be? The coach for the Houston Astros  !!   He let his team, just now, take the field  with a 4 - 0 lead and kept his starting

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: Civil Discussion

2005-10-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I went back through the entire sequence of our exchanges (from the archives) on the smoking thing and I realize that while the smoking statement was offensive to me, the real insult came with your flippant response and veiled apology loaded with further insults. While I did not expect

RE: [TruthTalk] Perry & Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-10-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I am being serious here, and am coming to you for the truth. You often say that if i want to know what mormons believe, then ask a mormon. Why do you guys raise your arms "to the square" and chant "Pay Lay Ale" three times? Do you know what that means? You see, I found on the follow