[TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-01 Thread Judy Taylor
     On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:54:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jt says BSF 'speaks of it' (the incarnation) without 'doctrinizing' (my word) it. Does BSF speak of the Trinitarian nature of God (one being three persons) in just the same fashion?   jt: When I wrote th

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY!! Y'all have convinced me this very morning!

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Did you think this a non ad hominem Lance or don't you really care??   On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:16:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Vacuity thy name is JUDY!   judyt    He that says "I know Him" and

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY!! Y'all have convinced me this very morning!

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vacuity thy name is JUDY!From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:13:50 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Judy asks 'DID YOU BRING IT UP AS AN ACCUSATION?"Most assuredly NOT! I've also seen it a

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
     On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John wrote: You are a legalist, David.   David wrote: Thank you.  Nothing wrong with being a legalist.  God is a legalist too.  Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for your sins.   John responds: There can be no argument

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread Terry Clifton
I don't know why y'all are arguing.  Neither of you has ever been under the law, unless you were a Jewish proselyte. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:       On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: You are a legalist, David.   David wrote: Th

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread Judy Taylor
 On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Christ did not become a curse for those who keep on wilfully sinning JD.  The curse is still all over those ppl and they are wearing it.  Sickness is the curse of the law.   The curse of the Law

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:50:07 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
lk through a turning propeller.    -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:56:08 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Terry the law still judge

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
udy Taylor Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:50 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Christ did not become a curse for th

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread Judy Taylor
     On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:44:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where in scripture do I find this requirement – that I must fulfill the Law as Christ did.   Your doctrine of works is a failure’s doctrine  -  offering no hope and placing one back under bondage. 

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Luke 10:27 “all things are possible with God."   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] When we become gods unto ourselves, wwe attempt the impossible  --   

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Lev.27:34 Judy.  The Mosaic law was for the "Children of Israel".  No Gentile has ever been under Mosaic law unless he/she voluntarily became a Jew. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: Terry the law still judges us whenever we break it - because the "righteous judgment of God" says that we wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread Judy Taylor
I understand what you are saying is dispensational teaching Terry - but there is just one tree and it has always been Christ.  Israel are the natural branches and we have been grafted in (see Romans 11).  God's ppl are God's ppl in every generation and basically Jesus is the Word of God.  If

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
eaven—just sooner. is a thought I certainly agree with, if I read it correctly.    JD   JKD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:07:14 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
No, no they are not. JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:15:06 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Luke 10:27 “all things are possible with God."   F

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
     John’s response in bold type     JD: A redundant question on Paul’s part; the correct answer to both questions is the "hearing with faith" as opposed to the works (obedience) of the Law.  I think "He" is God, but I will give you Paul for the sake of argument  --  How did Paul provide you with

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-29 Thread ttxpress
On Sun, 29 May 2005 20:48:58 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: Christ did not become a curse for those who keep on wilfully sinning JD.  The curse is still all over those ppl and they are wearing it.  Sickness is the curse of the law.   contrary to philosophi

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Judy Taylor
The world of philosophical religion belongs to you and Bob Dylan Gary because you are both full of your own thoughts rather than Gods and you do not rightly divide the Word of Truth.  Gal 3:10 emphasizes what is written in Deut 27:26 "Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law b

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
the blessings of obedience).   Iz   Jn 14:15 “"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:45 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and Jo

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote:   If you are a true Believer and don’t obey the Law you will still go to heaven—just sooner.  Izzy   If this is true, would it not be better to disobey?    

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Terry Clifton
I disagree, but only because you are wrong. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: I understand what you are saying is dispensational teaching Terry - but there is just one tree and it has always been Christ.  Israel are the natural branches and we have been grafted in (see Romans 11).  God's

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
rry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:43:25 -0400 Here is the perfect example of someone who either does not comprehend at a high level (say , si

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Why do you think I am wrong Terry and how am I wrong?  Can you show me in scripture where I am missing it?  judyt   On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:01:13 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I disagree, but only because you are wrong. TerryJudy Taylor wrote: I understand w

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ttxpress
but (e.g.) Flipper never seemed to take this stuff too seriously   On Mon, 30 May 2005 07:59:40 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> .. a veiled ad hominem reference:> > "...someone who either does not comprehend at a high level (say , > similar to a dolphin)"||

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote:   If you are a true Believer and don’t obey the Law you will still go to heaven—just sooner.  Izzy   If this is true, would it not be better to disobey?   Only if you want to be ashamed when you get

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Terry Clifton
I showed you in scripture ,Judy.  If you want additional stuff along the same line from the NT, check out what both Peter and Paul had to say about gentiles not being under (Mosaic ) Law. You have read them many times I am sure, or you would never have eaten a rabbit or crab or shrimp or a ham

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:09 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit I showed you in scripture ,Judy.  If you want additional stuff along the same line from the NT,

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > but (e.g.) Flipper never seemed to take this > stuff too seriously Maybe that's why Flipper isn't a son of God and why he isn't on TruthTalk. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you oug

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > All who rely on observing the law are under a curse I hope everyone on the list understands that most everyone posting on this list right now seems to believe this. The key word here is "RELY." I do not hear Judy saying that we need to rely on observing the law. I hear her sayi

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, David. And does Terry believe this? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:27 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Gary wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh, you are referring to the Levitical system that was nailed to the cross; John and I have been discussing God's moral law (at least I have). Surely you don't believe the 10 Commandments were just for the children of Israel or do you?  jt   On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:09:13 -0500 Terry Clifton <[E

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Terry Clifton
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:27 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Gary wrote: All who rely on observing the law are under a curse I hope everyone on the list understands

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread knpraise
.   I am hoping that you agree.  If not, its cultsville for you, my dear.      JD            -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:58:24 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Obv

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Terry Clifton
I believe that all the law given to Moses was for the children of Isreal.  That is what the Bible says and I believe the Bible to be true.  That includes the ten commandments.  Even if you tried, you could not keep the law, Judy.  It has never been done by anyone but Christ.  I live by the teac

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ttxpress
somebody made his kind a valid reference point for inteligence--Flipper may enjoy that circumstance wherever he comes up   On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:08:01 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>Flipper isn't.. on  TruthTalk.

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread ttxpress
  [Rom 8:3] the law was powerless..[8:4].. [therefore] ..walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit 'was powerless' (in Rom 8:3, above) also refers to (e.g.) Neh 10, as does Gal 3:10, below--that the Law was powerless while in effect is germane to the Ap Paul's point in both NT/argume

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread knpraise
occult and the heretical.    JD -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:26:55 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Gary wrote: > All who rely on observing the law are under a

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread knpraise
She IS speaking of the Mosaical Law.  Read her posts, sometime.    JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:43:17 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Terry, she

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I agree with you.  I don’t know anyone “under the law” except my Jewish friends. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
Say goodnight Flipper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit    Your allegation was that we can only obey God and

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
gt;To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 03:38:53 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Say goodnight Flipper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:26 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.inn

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Judy Taylor
Terry have you ever done a study of the teachings of your Savior? If so, I am sure you found that they are all rooted in the Old Testament God's statutes, testimonies, and commandments have not changed because He has not changed (Mal 3:6).  Paul wrote "Do we then nullify the law through fait

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Judy Taylor
Judy believes that walking in love fulfills the Law and when we obey the gospel and walk in love toward others we establish the law (Romans 3:31).  When we speak evil of the law we put ourselves in the position of judging God's Law (James 4:11).  We shall be judged by the Law of Liberty whic

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
mit adultery"   It is not a part of the Levitical  law, is it?    JD     -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:59:58 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
Message- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:08:14 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Judy believes that walking in love fulfills the Law and when we obey the

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you agree or disagree AND who is calling whom a "dolphin"   In order to qualify for dolphinhood, you must not only be able to think and learn.  You must have a nose like a bottl

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
d.  Our bodies remain dead because of sin but our spirit is alive IN CHRIST.      JD      -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:15:28 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Judy and Joh

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ttxpress
 the issue of 'discipleship' is at the core and crossroads of numerous issues on the TT table; e.g., the observation, below, is accurate in its NT context but 'following' JC today requires redefining discipleship per se...it's not that the NT fails to make this point; Jesus himself realize

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: Terry have you ever done a study of the teachings of your Savior? If so, I am sure you found that they are all rooted in the Old Testament God's statutes, testimonies, and commandments have not changed because He has not changed (Mal 3:6).  Paul wrote "Do we then

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote:  You refer to the Levitical Law which was nailed to the cross Terry; I am speaking of sin which transgresses God's moral law and when we continually choose to practice this (whether or not we have said our words) God's Law judges us.  Satan's hands are tied so lo

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   There never was a 'plan B' with God. It never was: first Law (oops, didn't work) then Grace.This is really rather important as it says something about the sort of God we serve.   - Original Message - From

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
hTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Terry have you ever done a study of the teachings of your Savior? If so, I am sure you found that they are all rooted in the Old Testament God's statutes, testimonies, and commandment

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Judy Taylor
     On Tue, 31 May 2005 09:36:07 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You refer to Romans 8:2.   You need to be careful, here, Judy, not to have Paul in Romans contradicting Paul in Galatians.  Romans 8:2 is to be considered along with the larger context and (especially) vers 3.  

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you agree or disagree AND who is calling

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
 Please define your understanding of "Mosaical Law". Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:30 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit She IS s

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
All those words, JD, and you still did not answer her questions. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:36 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   You

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Exactly right.  The only way to be “under” the law is by trying to keep the law w/o Christ—or by walking “in the flesh” (Self) instead of in Christ.  The moral laws in the OT are the same moral laws of the NT.  They never changed.  But when we are in

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
I sincerely appreciate your time and comments.   Well put and something to think about.    JD  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:37:56 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit the issue of

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
Whew  !!  --   I have a rather cute little nasal facade so call me Ralph or Barry, anything but Flipper  !!!     -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:32:38 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on t

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
31 May 2005 09:20:29 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Judy Taylor wrote: Terry have you ever done a study of the teachings of your Savior? If so, I am sure you found that they are all rooted in the Old Testament God's statutes, testimonies, and commandments h

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
Tue, 31 May 2005 11:48:23 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Exactly right.  The only way to be “under” the law is by trying to keep the law w/o Christ—or by walking “in the flesh” (Self) instead of in Christ.  The moral laws in the OT are the same moral laws of t

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
thTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:54:44 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Surely you consider yourself to be as smart as you think I am? Iz      Your allegation was that we can only obey God and enter the Kingdom by becoming gods to our

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
In Jesus Day, it meant the whole Old Law.  Probably meant that in Moses day,  as well.    JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:04:44 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
In Jesus Day, it meant the whole Old Law.  Probably meant that in Moses day,  as well.    JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:04:44 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:07:37 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit All those words, JD, and you still did not answer her questions. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesda

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Judy Taylor
  From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy, Judy, Judy!  If you have never been under the law, you cannot fall back to it.    jt: Never said I was ever under the Levitical Law and am not falling back to anything Terry.   Study the two laws given us by Jesus.  Try to fi

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Judy Taylor
     On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:42:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Romans 8:4 is not talking about a righteousness that comes from obeying the Law, whether with the Spirit or otherwise.  Rather, it is talking about a righteousness that is atributed to us because of the events of th

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
NO! duh.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 2:48 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   There is the question you are avoiding

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread ShieldsFamily
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 2:42 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   Romans 8:4 is not talking about a righteousness that comes from obeying the Law, whether with the Spirit or otherwise.  Rather, it is talking

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
bedience that comes from a relationship with Christ rather than from a written Law.    JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:14:19 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
cool  !!  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:14:40 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit NO! duh.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Beh

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
To quote Izzy:  with God, all things are posible.    -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:20:06 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit JD do you b

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread knpraise
   Tue, 31 May 2005 16:42:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com writes: Romans 8:4 is not talking about a righteousness that comes from obeying the Law, whether with the Spirit or otherwise.  Rather, it is talking about a righteousness that is attributed to us because of the events of the Incarnation and

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-01 Thread Lance Muir
nal Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 01, 2005 05:37 Subject: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:33:32 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Romans 8:4 is

RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
You and JD seem to worship “the Bishop”.  Is he your Pope? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-01 Thread knpraise
  On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:54:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jt says BSF 'speaks of it' (the incarnation) without 'doctrinizing' (my word) it. Does BSF speak of the Trinitarian nature of God (one being three persons) in just the same fashion?   jt: When I wrote this Lance I was s

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-01 Thread Judy Taylor
  On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:55:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:54:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:Jt says BSF 'speaks of it' (the incarnation) without 'doctrinizing' (my word) it. Does BSF speak of the Trinitarian nature of God (one being three persons)

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-01 Thread Lance Muir
2005 08:34 Subject: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit     On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:54:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jt says BSF 'speaks of it' (the incarnation) without 'doctrinizing' (my word) it. Do

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-02 Thread ttxpress
-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:37:56 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit the issue of 'discipleship' ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-02 Thread knpraise
Expand on this , please.   JD  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:43:24 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit what do you think, isn't there an interesting correlation betw NT discipleshi

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-02 Thread knpraise
 John wrote:> Do you understand that I believe that "event sin"> can be stop immediately but other types of sin> cannot?   There are addictions, character failures> such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation> for other sin AND are listed as sin  (selfishness is a> sin but it is not an e

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-06-03 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> Jesus had these same temptations. John wrote: > So Christ was selfish, covetous, bigoted, > lustful, arrogant and the like ??? No, I said he was tempted in this way because his flesh had the same nature within it as you and I. Remember his temptation in the desert, when S

[TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
She can speak ill of the saints of God without having read a word of primary source material yet, our beloved MODERATOR gives her a total 'pass'. Happily, David Miller did not. Kudos to you, David. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] Judy pronounces relational evangelism with feminists A WASTE OF TIME!

2005-12-07 Thread Lance Muir
Want to add anyone else to the list?

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Lance Muir
x27;incarnational gospel'? With what do you 1. agree  2 disagree?  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 30, 2005 05:04 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spi

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Lance Muir
ay 30, 2005 06:30 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit Yes I am saying that the apostle Paul preached the cross - I see it in his writings. As for this Perichoresis and Icarnation it would be better if you tell us what their significance is since you a

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Please read my post one more time. Tell me what > it is that you believe I'm saying to you and, asking > of you. Be careful in telling Lance what you believe he is saying to you, Judy. We all saw how John interpreted such action on my part as misquoting him or misrepresenting him

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Judy Taylor
 Advice heeded DavidM and I do appreciate the encouraging words. Thank You.   jt     On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:28:28 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Lance wrote:> > Please read my post one more time. Tell me what> > it is that you believe I'm saying to you and, asking> > of y

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit I understand you to be asking me what I believe about the incarnation Lance - if I am setting 'the cross over against the incarnation' and if Paul preached the cross over against the incarnation.   If the i

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Judy Taylor
 No I am asking you Lance since you are the one I am communicating with at present. The way I see it responding to the cross causes us to agree with God that in our flesh dwells no good thing so we agree to die to the old man and walk in the newness of the Spirit.  Whereas the "incarnational

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-30 Thread Lance Muir
 I suspect that that is probably true. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 30, 2005 12:37 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit He was not

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

2005-05-31 Thread Lance Muir
lor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 30, 2005 15:38 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit It's not; actually it is Jesus of Nazareth, only begotten Son of God who was the Word made flesh who came and dwelt fo

[TruthTalk] Judy asks a rhetorical question re:Lance employing 2 Peter 3:3,4

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Could it be that such are the 'silly women' spoken of in  2 Timothy 3? Let us hope not brethren and 'sistren'. There's never a Debbie, Caroline, Lise, Tanya, Marina, Barb, Lydia etc. around when you need one!

[TruthTalk] Judy asks: 'Is this what you read from me, Lance?' CLARIFICATION****

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Kindly clarify for me what it is that you think of: John Calvin, Karl Barth, Michael Polanyi, Thomas F. Torrance, Dave Hunt, C. I. Scofield,  J. F. Dake? Which of the foregoing have you actually read? (I mean a book of their's in your actual hands). For that matter, what primary source mater

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Christine Miller
Geez, Lance, all these different retorts to Judy via subject lines makes me wonder if the discussion is more about Judy than any theological issue. Or has Judy become the issue for you?::yawn::Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: She can speak ill of the saints of God without

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Christine:   Is there a great gap between what you say and who you are? Seriously! - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 10:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WI

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Take note: This is an excellent lesson in the art of "evasion" of which Lance is the undisputed King   On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:10:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christine: Is there a great gap between what you say and who you are? Seriously! From: Christine Mille

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 11:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT Take

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread ttxpress
    On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:18:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: She [maligns, maliciously--g] the saints of God without having read a word of primary source material yet, our beloved MODERATOR gives her a total 'pass'. Happily, David Miller did not. Kudos to you, David

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Oophs!!  I forgot about you Gary but I can in good conscience add you to the list of infected ones since your affiliation sticks out like a sore thumb in everything you write... and you defend both Calvin and Barth .. even to the point of calling them 'saints'   On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:39:37 -0

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