[TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, I did see this woman on TV tonight, and she is not really comatose, as I assumed.  She seems to be at about the level of an infant, mentally.  So I am undecided about whether it is right to refuse artificial medical treatment in this case, when is unable to feed herself.  I cer

[TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, I should tell you the story about when Mr. and Mrs. Tomato were in a bad car accident.  The husband got out with only cuts and bruises, but the wife was badly injured.  The ER doctor took the husband aside and said, “Well, the good news is this: Your wife is going to live.”  Th

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2003-09-18 Thread Terry Clifton
: [TruthTalk] Ethics question By the way, I did see this woman on TV tonight, and she is not really comatose, as I assumed.  She seems to be at about the level of an infant, mentally.  So I am undecided about whether it is right to refuse artificial medical treatment in this case, when is

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-18 Thread Bruce Woodford
Izzy, You asked:"...do you think the Lord requires someone in such a situation to remain married to a person in a vegetative state for years?" Matthew 19:6 says: "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Mark 10:11,12 sa

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
the Lord, He had mercy on my situation! ROFL!!!   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Woodford Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Izzy, You asked:"...d

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2003-09-18 Thread Bruce Woodford
Izzy, You wrote:"Okay, Bruce, we all know the pat, standard, rote, expected, programmed answers. I was hoping for a little thought on this subject. What if someone in a vegetative coma state is already with the Lord? Do you think the Lord expects to keep their body alive by artificial means for

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread LaurHamm
I have to finally put my two cents in on this one.  I cared for my former husband for several years after he was disabled.  I wouldn't trade those years for anything.  Now granted, he was able to communicate and take care of his basic needs but he had to use a wheelchair when we went out and could

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
ber 19, 2003 12:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Izzy, You wrote:"Okay, Bruce, we all know the pat, standard, rote, expected, programmed answers. I was hoping for a little thought on this subject. What if someone in a vegetative coma state is already w

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   I have to finally put my two cents in on this one.  I cared for my former husband for several years after he was disable

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, “I also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that.”  By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are “tampering”. You may

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Chris Barr
 \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!   This would all be funny if it were not so tragic.   Anyone ever see the movie, "Miller's Crossing".  The central theme in the movie is ethics.  One main character is constantly troubled by the lack of ethics of other

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!   This would all be funny if it were not so tragic.   Anyone ever see the movie, "Miller's Crossing".  The c

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Terry Clifton
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, “I also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that.”  By forcing medical treatment upon her

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
MAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Just something to muddy the thought process.  What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Bruce Woodford
Hi Izzy, You asked:"what if the wife had a "Living Will" in which she had written that she did not want to be kept alive by artificial means if she was comatose?" I think "artificial means" would have to be defined more specificly. Feeding a person, bathing them, keeping them warm or cool, giv

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Terry Clifton
 Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early?   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry

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2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early?   - Original Message - From

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2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
  See comments in bold below…. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Woodford Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Hi Izzy,   You asked:"what if the wif

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
just the atmospheric effect of Hurricane Izzy?   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Terry,   I am not talking about

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2003-09-19 Thread LaurHamm
Is there another baseball game on tonight?   LOL   Laura

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2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes1  I’m cracking up!  Iz   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Is there another baseball game on tonight

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-20 Thread Terry Clifton
t for the least of His, you do it for Him.   Think about those things.   Terry  ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Terry,   I am not talking about “snuffing” anyone.

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2003-09-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
03 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Terry,   I am not talking about “snuffing” anyone.  I’m talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course.  Quit

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-20 Thread Terry Clifton
 Discernment Izzy, Discernment.   Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry,  It seems to me that the selfish thing to do is to cling

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2003-09-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
, September 20, 2003 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Discernment Izzy, Discernment.   Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: RE

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Bite your tomgue!  ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 20, 2003 16:01:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Terry,  Why is it that whenever we have differing opinions, that you decide that I am the one with no

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2003-09-20 Thread Terry Clifton
waiting?  Or have you  already taken all that into account in your previous responses?   Terry     ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 20, 2003 16:01:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Terry,  Why is it that whenever we

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes. J Iz   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 4:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question   Just a thought.  If the comatose person is unsaved