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2005-01-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Happily. J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:12 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   Probably better that we don't, 'cuz I was going to argue wh

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2005-01-19 Thread Bill Taylor
Probably better that we don't, 'cuz I was going to argue why you were all wet with this one :>)   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good New

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2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, please let’s don’t go there. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:30 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   I'm fine with that, Izzy -- as long as th

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2005-01-18 Thread Bill Taylor
Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! I’m a believer in going all the way on a good thingy. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mail

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2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
in your resurrection rubric, that'd be when?   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:30:08 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I don't disagree with the idea that ['the perfect'] refers to the time of the resurrection,

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2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Judy wrote:Please don't say "when that which is perfect has come" because that which is perfect is Christ Himself and Hehas yet to come. *   John wrote:This is clearly speaking of maturity  --   that is if immediate context means anything at all.   D

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2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 3:09:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know what you mean about 'maturity' John - I do know this to be the context for the word perfect in some other places but in 1 Cor 13:10 'complete' would be better.  We can know it refers to Christ ra

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2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
I’m a believer in going all the way on a good thingy. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:40 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   I see the smilen face and

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2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
I respectfully disagree, Terry. Iz   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:21 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   Lance Muir wrote:   >Terry, I

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2005-01-18 Thread Bill Taylor
I see the smilen face and assume you are joking. Tell me you are joking . . .   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! It seems to me that

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2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
It seems to me that the only “parts” that get saved are the parts that get wet.  J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News

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2005-01-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Terry, I see YOU as a disciple of Jesus. === Thank you Lance. That is very important to me. I wish that everyone could see that, but I am afraid that it shows so seldom that most miss it when it happens. Terry -- "Let your

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2005-01-18 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: >> Please don't say "when that which is perfect has come" >> because that which is perfect is Christ Himself and He >> has yet to come. * John wrote: > This is clearly speaking of maturity -- that is if immediate > context means anything at all. Not only context supports what you a

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2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know what you mean about 'maturity' John - I do know this to be the context for the word perfect in some other places but in 1 Cor 13:10 'complete' would be better.  We can know it refers to Christ rather than the Bible because of the setting ie: "Love never fails, now we see through

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2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
Terry, I see YOU as a disciple of Jesus. - Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 17, 2005 14:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! > Lance Muir wrote: > > >Sectarianism DOES INDEED EXIST ON TT!! Please, someone

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2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
Helps clarify between John the Dunker and John the Sprinkler.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.33To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News

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2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:31:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What scripture? *Please don't say "when that which is perfect has come" because that which is perfect is Christ Himself and He has yet to come. * This is clearly speaking of maturity  --   that is if immed

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2005-01-17 Thread Debbie Sawczak
f authenticity.   Debbie -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:01 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! Fascinating, Debbie.  Terry recently started a “thingy” of telling abou

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2005-01-17 Thread Debbie Sawczak
y taken up with church, Bible study, prayer, and the like.    Debbie   -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:04 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! There are several threads on my loom,

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2005-01-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!   There are several threads on my loom, Slade. Probably the two most important, in terms of your comment, are Mennonite and Reformed (oddly enough, given the history of those two groups). I mean the horse-and-buggy, no-phone Mennonites, who

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2005-01-17 Thread Debbie Sawczak
]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:24 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! Hello again, Debbie.   I enjoyed your thoughts here. Your noncompartmentalization is Hebraic in context. Pray tell... what is your background or what have you been exposed to r

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2005-01-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: I wish I could tell you what PTillich's thoughts are, but I don't know who s/he is. The root of my question comes from this basic premise: it's my understanding that Messiah and the Immerser said, "Repent! The Kingdom of God is at hand" and I think they meant it. It

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
ok--thx for the clarification, Slade..'is at hand' in the NT means that the KoG has come ~'close enough to touch', mng that the KoG did not eminate  from|w/i  time..therefor it is not the presnce of the 'present' on display in the NT (else we'll pass like ships in the night..i'll simply hand

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2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson
I wish I could tell you what PTillich's thoughts are, but I don't know who s/he is. The root of my question comes from this basic premise: it's my understanding that Messiah and the Immerser said, "Repent! The Kingdom of God is at hand" and I think they meant it. It was there for the "takin

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
not sure what you mean, jt...e.g. while embracg Wesley's view/s, you believe that..   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:22:48 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..we are the "future in Christ" - we are living it and walking it out daily .. I submit that we need all the help we can get..

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
nce of the PRESENT in Christ? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.00Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! arrays/displays one subtle (postOT) theme (retrospectvly) abt the KoG: the presence of the future in Christ  

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2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson
Does this mean you don't believe in the Kingdom of God: the presence of the PRESENT in Christ? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 17 January, 2005 21.00Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! arrays/displays one subtle (postOT) theme (retrospectvly

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Yeah well Gary we are the "future in Christ" - we are living it and walking it out daily .. I submit that we need all the help we can get..  jt   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:12:51 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (revisd version of parag 2, below)   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:00:11 -0700 [EMAIL PR

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
(revisd version of parag 2, below)   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:00:11 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: e.g. in a micro sense, the Ap Paul paints eschatology in art complementary to the Ap John's; independent artists yet togethr, perhaps unwittingly except for the HS upon them, they are th

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
e.g. in a micro sense, the Ap Paul paints eschatology in art complementary to the Ap John's; independent artists yet togethr, perhaps unwittingly except for the HS upon them, they are the synergistic composers of a tangible NT 'l/cc'   in a macro sense, there are numerous revelatory phenome

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2005-01-17 Thread Slade Henson
17.29Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! Hi Judy, let me paraphrase/periphrase "there is no sacred vs profane", as that is a dualism perhaps unfamiliar to you, which uses the word "profane" differently than the texts you mention below. "There is no sacred vs profan

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Thanks Kevin and Gary for the answer to [B], Juno and Netzero are in cahoots but I'm still amazed by the speed.   As for [A] What exactly is a "live/crucial context?" That's a new one on me.   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:25:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A. i don't recognize your question

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2005-01-17 Thread Jeff Powers
@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 14:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!I have a bad habit of sometimes responding without enough fore thought to how it might be received.  Need to work on that.  I have zinged Jeff twice this month and now I have to await his revenge.  His

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
A. i don't recognize your question in a live/crucial cntxt    B. ISP: Netzero   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:10:06 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [A.]Do you have any scripture other than the one I mentioned to support why you believe that the prophetic gifting is not for t

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2005-01-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Once you hit send, delivery could take well nigh to 20 milliseconds!   Message Queing may take up to a minute or two, or a second on a fast serverJudy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you have any scripture other than the one I mentioned to support why you believe that the prophetic gifting i

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Do you have any scripture other than the one I mentioned to support why you believe that the prophetic gifting is not for today?   I have a question also - what kind of ISP do you hav? It amazes me how fast these messages get from CO to VA   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:03:41 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
what does this mean/imply?   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:50:01 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..if..you have some other foundational scripture  ||

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
You don't have to run off if I am wrong and you have some other foundational scripture to support your claim that propecy is a thing of the past. The argument I always heard was "that which is perfect is the Bible" and this is why prophecy is no longer needed.  Is this your stance?   On Mon,

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
it was nice talkin' with ya   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:28:33 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You didn't give the scripture to support your claim And I've already heard the arguments from your tradition.  jt   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:13:56 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Interesting perspective Debbie - I can agree that he (God) is relevant in all areas and that he does have the supreme claim to our lives. However, this is mainly theory because facts are He will not intrude where we don't want Him and if we prefer to do things our way, He lets us. He gave Is

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
You didn't give the scripture to support your claim And I've already heard the arguments from your tradition.  jt   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:13:56 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: first, what do you mean by *this*?   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:57 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
first, what do you mean by *this*?   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:57 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What scripture? *Please don't say "when that which is perfect has come" because that which is perfect is Christ Himself and He has yet to come. *

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2005-01-17 Thread Debbie Sawczak
ich he is not relevant.   I'm confident we would agree on that.   Debbie -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:54 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! M

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
What scripture? Please don't say "when that which is perfect has come" because that which is perfect is Christ Himself and He has yet to come.  jt   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:53:06 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: e.g.,  the Prophetic tradition terminatd, acc to Scripture   On Mon, 17

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2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
e.g.,  the Prophetic tradition terminatd, acc to Scripture   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:45:25 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> .. the fruitfulness of tradition is often temporary.

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2005-01-17 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Further, Linda does indeed say what amounts > to, "I am of David". (Linda, please illustrate for > us with what frequency you 'amen' David > (WOW that was an awesome post, David!) > Sorry David, but ya gots at least one disciple. Linda also has disagreed with some of my posts. Expr

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
  Terry writes: That is kind of an inside joke in our home church, Bill.  It is all too common, at least here in the Bible Belt, to hear that from deacons and pastors.  People question why we prefer to meet in homes, and we in turn question some of the things done in the institutional church.

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2005-01-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   Sectarianism DOES INDEED EXIST ON TT!! Please, someone correct either myself or David on this. Further, Linda does indeed say what amounts to, "I am of David". (Linda, please illustrate for us with what frequency you 'amen'

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2005-01-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Bill Taylor wrote: If we are one in Christ we will at least be united enough to avoid the behavior described above in Titus 3.  We will be of one accord; each having different gifts and callings, but peaceably agreeable with each other even when we disagree.  Izzy

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2005-01-17 Thread Jeff Powers
chman of Breslov - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 14:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! Sectarianism DOES INDEED EXIST ON TT!! Please, someone correct either myself or David on this. Further, Linda does in

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2005-01-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Sectarianism DOES INDEED EXIST ON TT!! Please, someone correct either myself or David on this. Further, Linda does indeed say what amounts to, "I am of David". (Linda, please illustrate for us with what frequency you 'amen' David (WOW that was an awesome post, David!) Sorry David,

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2005-01-17 Thread Bill Taylor
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! ShieldsFamily wrote:   Titus 3:1Remind them …   2to malign no one,to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.        3For we also

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2005-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
7;d include those who both know what you mean and agree with your interpretation. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 17, 2005 12:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! > Lance wrote: > > David, we are! 'The g

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2005-01-17 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > David, we are! 'The good news of the gospel > of Jesus' Is it not sectarianism that is being > addressed in this passage? Some say 'I am of > David(that would be Linda), others say 'I am > of Judy' and so on. Indeed, David, sectarianism > does and must exist on TT. Even DaveH speaks

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Must confess that I didn't have much clue about what Avram and Josef was trying to say. But seemingly this is another example of how tradition conflicts with or makes of no effect the truth of scripture.   There is a very clear separation of sacred vs profane all through the scriptures and t

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2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Good reminder.  Thanks Izzy   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:55:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   Titus 3:1Remind them …   2to malign no one,to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.        3For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedi

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2005-01-17 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote:   Titus 3:1Remind them …   2to malign no one,to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.        3For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice

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2005-01-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!   I may have been guilty of stretching the Scriptural body analogy there. But if we really are going to say the same thing (even if in slightly different

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2005-01-17 Thread Debbie Sawczak
ll of life-Original Message-From: David Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!Excellent post, Debbie, but please do reconsider some of your syntax to lineup with Biblical language.For example, you w

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2005-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
Syntax=Private interpretation while Dogma=Community of believers IMO. TT abounds with the former with David Miller at the 'head of the class'. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 17, 2005 00:45 Subject:

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2005-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 16, 2005 23:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! > John wrote: > > We will never have unity based > > upon "all saying the same thing " > > John, please do not overlook what

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2005-01-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Does the NC allow for Jesus having a physical body of flesh and bones today? Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote: The council of Nicea was a multiyear assembly of nearly every bishop in the church, bathed in prayer, and intent on dealing with heresy which had attempted to demean

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2005-01-16 Thread David Miller
Excellent post, Debbie, but please do reconsider some of your syntax to line up with Biblical language. For example, you wrote: > The apostles Paul and James (to go back to a previous post) > ultimately believed in the same Good News, but in emphasizing > different things they didn't say the same

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2005-01-16 Thread ttxpress
appear to be quite different things. -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:15 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! I may have been guilty of stretching the Scriptural body

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2005-01-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:04:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I may have been guilty of stretching the Scriptural body analogy there. But if we really are going to say the same thing (even if in slightly different words), we may as well not converse. Amen to this.   Le

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2005-01-16 Thread Debbie Sawczak
gnize those occasions when we do agree despite our saying what appear to be quite different things. -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:15 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! I may

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2005-01-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/16/2005 9:04:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this has a distinctly evangelical ring to it in a cultic environment Light shinning in the darkness?

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2005-01-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/16/2005 8:58:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, please do not overlook what I wrote in a previous post, which was: Please offer us some commentary on the following passage, especially the parts I have emphasized.  Does it not teach us to have a unity

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2005-01-16 Thread ttxpress
words), we may as well not converse. -Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:10 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! [Debbie] I don't agree with this either, a

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2005-01-16 Thread Debbie Sawczak
, 2005 12:10 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News! [Debbie] I don't agree with this either, and I think it is important. The apostles Paul and James (to go back to a previous post) ultimately believed in the same Good News, but in emphasizing diff

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2005-01-16 Thread ttxpress
inquishing the need to "match" for security.   -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:57 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!In a message dated 1/16/2005 4:52:47 PM Pacifi

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2005-01-16 Thread Debbie Sawczak
e, and say things. And part of faith is trusting God for one another, and relinquishing the need to "match" for security.   -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:57 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: R

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2005-01-16 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > We will never have unity based > upon "all saying the same thing " John, please do not overlook what I wrote in a previous post, which was: Please offer us some commentary on the following passage, especially the parts I have emphasized. Does it not teach us to have a unity whe

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2005-01-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/16/2005 4:52:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: >Huh???   We will never have unity based >upon "all saying the same thing " I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but you might be overstating your case.  It seems to me that God does

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2005-01-16 Thread ttxpress
what is (and is not) orthodox to you?   On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:00:29 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't trust..orthodoxy to discern or to lead me to truth.

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2005-01-16 Thread David Miller
Greg wrote: > The council of Nicea was a multiyear assembly > of nearly every bishop in the church, bathed in > prayer, and intent on dealing with heresy which > had attempted to demean the nature of Christ. > I assume they got it right. Do you have some > specific disagreements with some of its p

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2005-01-16 Thread Slade Henson
[TruthTalk] Good News! Greg, it’s great for guidance—just doesn’t carry the weight of scripture. IMO Izzy From: Gregory A. Hession J.D.Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:47 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   You may want to re-consider rejecting the

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2005-01-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Greg, it’s great for guidance—just doesn’t carry the weight of scripture. IMO Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:47 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News

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2005-01-16 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > Huh??? We will never have unity based > upon "all saying the same thing " I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but you might be overstating your case. It seems to me that God does desire for us to say the same thing. This does not mean that we will all be robots tha

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Slade Henson
: [TruthTalk] Good News! You may want to re-consider rejecting the wisdom of the elders as a practice.  Otherwise, we are just adrift in the sea of our own prejudices, unrestrained by the great cloud of witnesses that went before us.  They left a great legacy, and we should be careful before

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
od.     Gregory A. Hession J.D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]Springfield, Mass. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!  

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!   So No, I don't trust creeds or orthodoxy to discern or to lead me to truth.  jht   Same here Judy.  Same here.  Izzy 

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
  So No, I don't trust creeds or orthodoxy to discern or to lead me to truth.  jht   Same here Judy.  Same here.  Izzy 

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know about the "bathed in prayer" part because they were constantly banishing each other. It was the beginning of the Church/State merger era when (because of Constantine) the Church began to wield the power of the heathen state which was never the will of the Lord who said "Render un

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
4:38 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! Can you be sure the Jesus of the apostles is the same Jesus as the Nicene Creed? jht   On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:28:27 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy:  I agree that we cannot have a m

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
Can you be sure the Jesus of the apostles is the same Jesus as the Nicene Creed? jht   On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:28:27 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy:  I agree that we cannot have a mealy-mouthed, squishy, Barney the Dinosaur, We-are-the-World, Everything-Is

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
EMAIL PROTECTED]Springfield, Mass. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!     On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:47:19 -0500 "

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:47:19 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:     Unity is the show of love DESPITE not saying the same thing in the theological details, because on the main issue of following Christ we are saying the same thing.   It is not a rational

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:54:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Three hits Gregory - Unity will happen when

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:54:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Three hits Gregory - Unity will happen when we are all saying the same thing which unfortunately is not a reality right now.  We used to sing Ps 133 at a Church I went to.. Behold how good and how pleasant

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 1:01:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ShieldsFamily wrote:   David, I must SO agree with JD and you regarding the âwooing of the Holy Spiritâ.  I remember being about twelve years old and having such a hunger to know God. I self-consciously conf

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:55 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dear Judy:   I just arrived here, so I should be very circumspect.  However, to answer your first question below, many of the posts I have read appear to come from angry people, or people who

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Praise Him, Hallelujah - Thanks for sharing Sister Izzy, I'm with you and whoever else wants to join in ... judyt   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:02:21 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I just have to share with you how JOYFULL I am in the Lord right now—I am OVERCOME with a

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I just have to share with you how JOYFULL I am in the Lord right now—I am OVERCOME with a Spirit of PRAISE I  cannot stop the flow of tears of praise!!!  I can’t stop sobbing with joy!!!  HOW I BLESS THE NAME OF THE LORD.  HOW I THANK AND PRAISE HIM FOR CONDESCENDING TO BE AMONG HIS CRE

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:30:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy wrote: >... it greatly saddens me to see so little interest in >God's Word. People are so excited over the prospect >of hearing the words of Athanasius, Polyani, or whoever >their latest theologi

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote:    One of the most consistently frustrating things about Christians is that we seem far more keen on making sure everyone around us is properly beat over the head with the t

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   I am a lawyer, for better or for worse.  It is a constant matter of

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Greg wrote: > When we stand in front of the dread judgment > seat, the test is not how well we shoved every > abstruse point of theology down the throats of > the ignorant, but how we lived the great truths > we already know, and taught the others with > mercy and peace, so as to edify the listener

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you.  They accused Jesus of this, so it is expected that his disciples also would be accused of this.  The disciple is not above his master.  I take this comment of yours as a compliment and wear it

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Correction performed off-forum by the [struggling] moderator. -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 15.30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! Please stop with the ad hominem attacks, and speak for yourself. I see plenty of love in what Judy writes

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