Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes and under the old system he provided Moses seat and who sat there? Did Jesus encourage the ppl to follow them? He said listen to what they say (because back then they were in charge of the scriptures) but they were not doers of the Word and Jesus told the ppl not to do what they did

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-05 Thread knpraise
ject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Yes and under the old system he provided Moses seat and who sat there? Did Jesus encourage the ppl to follow them? He said listen to what they say (because back then they were in charge of the scriptures) but they were not doers of t

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-05 Thread Judy Taylor
NO!! I am not saying any of what you are carrying on about below And show me where I have introduced the term "infallible understanding" - this also is all yours On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:29:09 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You did not deal specifically with my comment.

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-05 Thread Kevin Deegan
Beat that OL Straw Man to death! The Inspired KJV the Infallible Understanding!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO!! I am not saying any of what you are carrying on about below And show me where I have introduced the term "infallible understanding" - this also is all yours

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Tares are NOT ONLY in the pews JD, Where have you been? On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:29:09 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You did not deal specifically with my comment. Are you saying that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are not to be given heed? That they

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-05 Thread knpraise
ject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Tares are NOT ONLY in the pews JD, Where have you been? On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:29:09 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You did not deal specifically with my comment. Are you saying that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors an

[TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill writes: "It will take many years, I'm sure, before Barth will be allowed to speak for himself to the conservative community. In the meantime Evangelical Christians will be missing out on one of the greatest voicesthe Church has ever known. I'm curious about what you find so great

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
between the Word (i.e., God's self-revelation as concretely manifested in Christ) and religion. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:24:19 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" B

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Bill writes: "It will take many years, I'm sure, before Barth will be allowed to sp

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
JD why do you think Barth is correct? Have you ever asked yourself why a God who promised through the prophet Jeremiah 2631yrs ago and later through the prophet Ezekiel 2602yrs ago that He would make a New Covenant with His ppl and that this New Covenant would include writingHis Law in their

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:36:51 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, let's assume that we could take all the words you've posted to TT and bind them together in a book. What would it number, say, maybe 9000 pages? Would a single one of them be worth reading? What were you

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:36:51 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Not a very loving evaluation of God's workmanship Bill Lots of men have spent a "lifetime" preaching some agenda or another - only those who 'in obedience' are speaking God's oracles will receive a reward and I don't hold much hope for those who add to or take from THE WRITTEN RECORD. The

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
It's not God's fault. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Not a v

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
What is not God's fault? The words youspeak concerningHis ppl? IYO could Barth smarten them up? Or should we listen to Paul who writes that we already have the mind of Christ? On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:35:22 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not God's fault. From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Were you talking to me? I wasn't listening. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
In all sincerity, Judy, don't you see the irony in your endeavor? When you write or speak, you want others to listen to you. You feel entitled to that. The proof of this: when they don't listen, you feel like you have been dissed. Why? because you think you have something important and

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
nal Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:32:24 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" JD why do you think Barth is correct? Have you ever asked yourself why a God who

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, would you say that the less you have the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you, the more you need Barth and others? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Was Barth inspired or misguided in his belief that the task of theology is to

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
For some time I have been studying, not Barth, but some of his students on TT. Overall, they seem like a cranky bunch at best. iz You will try in vain to get me into an argument over Karl Barth. I just simply won't do it. If you are interested in the man, then read his works

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
Very good, John. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Judy, Bill has correctly cast the shadow -- y

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
If if if you really need to ask this question, you know nothing of the Holy Spirit.-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:49:45 -0600Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Judy, wou

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
, December 04, 2005 11:51 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices If if if you really need to ask this question, you know nothing of the Holy Spirit. -Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
No Bill. My message is "READ THE BIBLE" and then we can talk. the Golden Rule is good but can't apply to most of the ppl you mention because they have gone on to their reward whatever that might be. On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:34:49 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In all sincerity,

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Did Jesus say that after He had gone to the Father he would send a real smart theologian by the name of Barth to "unfold the revealed work attested in the scriptures" JD?. Of course not - and we have the Bereans for an example - they were able to search the scriptures daily to see if what

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" In all sincerity, Judy, don't you see

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes, I think it an astute observation Iz. Kind of like when God thundered and roared from the Mount and Israel quaking told Moses - You go up and see what He is saying On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:49:45 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, would you say that the

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Taylor
So you do see the irony? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" So no

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
9,000 pages of his Dogmatic Barth can say less with more words than any manI know! Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill writes: "It will take many years, I'm sure, before Barth will be allowed to speak for himself to the conservative community. In the meantime Evangelical Christians

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hardly the kind of atmosphere where faith grows.Maybe that is why barth Devotes a WHOLE chapter to "DOUBT" in Evangelical THEOLOGYJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:36:51 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy, let's assume that we could take all

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:16:35 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || [rather,] barth Devotes a WHOLE chapter to [eradicating]"DOUBT" in Evangelical THEOLOGY||

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
nglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:32:24 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"JD why do you think Barth is correct? Have you ever asked yourself why a God who promised through the prophet Jeremiah 2631yrs ago and later through the prophet Ezekiel 2602yrs

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
uphrates Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good, John.- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices"Judy, Bill has correctly cast the sha

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
apparently Jesus saideverything he needed to say back then, but you sound more like his parrot than his sheep, Bro; why not try interacting with us, like you're one of us on the planetrather thanthe Voicefrom above? On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
(listen to yourself sometime, Bro--sometimes its even interesting:) On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:46:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sometimes God Orders the destruction of THE "ORIGINAL" so that what we have is nothing but a copy.

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sorry Bub, he has loosed my stammering tongue!And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God. And NOW My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. PS 45 my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. His word Name will

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
This is a BIG problem for your 'god', not mine![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (listen to yourself sometime, Bro--sometimes its even interesting:)On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:46:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:sometimes God Orders the destruction of THE "ORIGINAL" so that what

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Taylor
You call what you do here "interacting with others" Gary? Now this is really interesting. I'd say Lance is the voice from above and Kevin's is like "regular folk"even ifhis subject matter is re another Kingdom. On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:53:03 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: apparently Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
e midst of Euphrates Taylor wmtaylor@plains.net wrote: Very good, John. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Judy, Bill has correctly cast

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
:24:39 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" Did Jesus say that after He had gone to the Father he would send a real smart theologian by the name of Barth to "unfold the revealed work attested in the scriptures" JD?. Of course not - and we have the Be

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
jd in red. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:48:03 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:38:23 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] write

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
of the discussion, I don't see how such discussions areharmful. jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:53:26 -0600Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" The Holy Spirit will guide us as we a

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
my God is the God of parrots and poets, Bro; he's made noproblems likeyou wanna create On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:11:34 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a BIG problem for your 'god', not mine![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (listen to yourself sometime,

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
sure--good questions get positive responses requests: my style interests you--eh? On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:30:55 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You call what you do here "interacting with others" Gary? Now this is really interesting. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ttxpress
a theology of 'sincere'works in the works? On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:21:53 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We should not belittle the sincere efforts of each other..

RE: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD, you and the other followers of Barth are testimony enough of that. iz There is simply nothing that has been presentedon TT thatevidences Barth as aliberal.

Re: [TruthTalk] One of the greatest voices

2005-12-04 Thread knpraise
Barth as even more Christ centered than you, IMO. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:57:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] One of the "greatest voices" What?? Not arguing