Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-10 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/10/2004 4:09:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you don't mind, pls compare/contrast the two 'shared' concepts, below   G   On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:40:31 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In fact, Job himself || shared [the belief

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-10 Thread ttxpress
if you don't mind, pls compare/contrast the two 'shared' concepts, below   G   On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:40:31 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || [EMAIL PROTECTED]:In fact, Job himself || shared [the belief that he had done something wrong] || except for the knowledge that he

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 10:58:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what verse/s do/es this comment interpret?   On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:34:23 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In fact, Job himself shared [the belief that he had done som

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ttxpress
what verse/s do/es this comment interpret?     On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:34:23 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:In fact, Job himself shared [the belief that he had done something wrong] except for the knowledge that he had done nothing wrong.

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 10:36:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "In fact"--eh?   One could calmly comment that this post sounds kinda suspicious, like it turns on the unreconcilable tautology somebody made up below.   (Perhaps you'd care to revisit, even revise it befor

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ttxpress
"In fact"--eh?    One could calmly comment that this post sounds kinda suspicious, like it turns on the unreconcilable tautology somebody made up below.   (Perhaps you'd care to revisit, even revise it before it stirs up another controversy:)     G       On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:34:23 -0500 "S

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, I think this is the kindest post I have ever read on TT. Thank you my friend. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   I

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/9/2004 8:12:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy: I believe you to be approx 100% correctamundo on this point. David/Judy (interesting combo) espouse an understanding that, though they understand to be 'biblical', comes from a sort of 'perversion', held

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Knpraise
er it a huge blessing to have all of my family killed so that I could get a new one later on.  I've never understood that one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ttxpress
dnesday, June 09, 2004 3:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   this is dishonest--a distortion of the truth     G     On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:33:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>>

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Glad to hear it, G.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   this is dishonest--a distortion of the truth     G

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? Izzy:Try:http://www.RefugeBaptist.org Let me know if it works. I connected with Faust concerning his book. We carry it. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ttxpress
this is dishonest--a distortion of the truth     G     On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:33:05 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>>>We have ALL been disappointed when we trusted the Lord..

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy:Try:http://www.RefugeBaptist.org Let me know if it works. I connected with Faust concerning his book. We carry it. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 09, 2004 16:33 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustwo

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
That address doesn't seem to be working; are you sure it isn't just an email address? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustwo

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
G offers more proof that it is very risky to be totally honest on TruthTalk. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   Long on

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
See: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. I'd appreciate any comments - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 09, 2004 15:32 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? > Lance, Can you tell us about this book?

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?     On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:58:47 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Izzy: As one who spent too many years in the .. movement, I thought all I had to do was "trust Jesus" ..     however, th

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, Can you tell us about this book? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? DavidM: "The Rod:Will God Spare It" J.D.

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
Long on promise short on delivery..politics is like that.(politicians too) Honesty is in short supply like far too many Christians. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 11:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
y perceptive of you. And here I was thinking...well, like less complimentary stuff 'bout you on occasion ya know?   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 09, 2004 11:45 Subject: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? What is the point Lance? [

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ttxpress
*   On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:29:32 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:58:47 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Izzy: As one who spent too many years in the .. movement, I thought all I had to do was "trust Jesus" ..     however, this 

[TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
y then can we learn what REAL trust is.>> Izzy>> PS I don't know about Job, but I wouldn't consider it a huge blessing to> have all of my family killed so that I could get a new one later on.  I've> never understood that one.>> -Original Message-&g

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ttxpress
  On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:58:47 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Izzy: As one who spent too many years in the .. movement, I thought all I had to do was "trust Jesus" ..     however, this reflects the underlying religious ideology of another 'movement', the republican party

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
e. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 09, 2004 10:31 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? > David, As one who spent too many years in the "name it and claim it" > movement, I thought all I had

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Slade Henson
MAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, 09 June, 2004 10:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? David, As one who spent too many years in the "name it and claim it" movement, I thought all I had to do was "trust Jesu

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
L PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? Izzy wrote: > Bill, In my experience Jesus has not always been > entirely someone I can trust in every sense of the > word.

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
DavidM: "The Rod:Will God Spare It" J.D.Faust Have you read it? If so will you comment on it? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 09, 2004 08:54 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? > Izz

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-09 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > Bill, In my experience Jesus has not always been > entirely someone I can trust in every sense of the > word. Sometimes He is quite beyond any possibility > of my understanding, let alone "trusting" Him. ... > Job trusted, but was shocked by what happened to him. > We have ALL b

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
LOL. I wish. J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   now it's the Bushes   On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:03:00

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ttxpress
now it's the Bushes   On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:03:00 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I used to think I could trust Jesus to make everything rosey.

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Exactly. Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   ShieldsFamily wrote: By the way, would you also agree that many things happen that

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   this ideology is not Job's:   In a message dated 6/5/2004 9:07:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus has not always been entirely someone I can trust..       

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: By the way, would you also agree that many things happen that are not God’s will? Izzy   God allows mothers to kill their babies, men to beat their wives, theives to steal and Muslims to worship Allah.  None of the afoe

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ttxpress
this ideology is not Job's:   In a message dated 6/5/2004 9:07:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus has not always been entirely someone I can trust..       

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy: Not even MUCH of the time. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 07, 2004 10:35 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? Yes he did, and rightly so.  Which proves my point—trusting God does not mean that all will

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   so what? Job trusted God     On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:48:13 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..What happened to [Job] was the sovereign choice of the Lord.

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, would you also agree that many things happen that are not God’s will? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   Amen on

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-06 Thread ttxpress
so what? Job trusted God     On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:48:13 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..What happened to [Job] was the sovereign choice of the Lord. 

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
06, 2004 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?   (on the aromatic topic of theological 'mixtures': perfectionists who require JC to assume responsibility for imperfection)     In a message dated 6/5/2004

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-06 Thread ttxpress
ï (on the aromatic topic of theological 'mixtures': perfectionists who require JC to assume responsibility for imperfection)     In a message dated 6/5/2004 9:07:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus has not always been entirely someone I can trust.. Can

RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen on every point, Terry. Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton  Good morning Iz.  Thanks for the brutally honest testimony.  No, you are not alone in feeling this way.  I would suspect that we have all felt that at some p

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-06 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Bill, In my experience Jesus has not always been entirely someone I can trust in every sense of the word.  Sometimes He is quite beyond any possibility of my understanding, let alone “trusting” Him.   (Many times I have asked my husband, “But

Re: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-06 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/5/2004 9:07:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:     Bill, In my experience Jesus has not always been entirely someone I can trust in every sense of the word.  Sometimes He is quite beyond any possibility of my understanding, let alone âtrustingâ Him.  

[TruthTalk] Trustworthy?

2004-06-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bill, In my experience Jesus has not always been entirely someone I can trust in every sense of the word.  Sometimes He is quite beyond any possibility of my understanding, let alone “trusting” Him.   (Many times I have asked my husband, “But what can I trust Him FOR?” And he cannot answer,