then why are (e.g.) you engrossed in
politics?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:20:17 -0400 Judy
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..Constantine
started a bastardized hybrid that is full of mixture and that calls itself the
church..
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then why are (e.g.) you engrossed in
politics?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 05:20:17 -0400 Judy
Taylor
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Judy is 'gonzo'. I'm sorry that she 'abdicated'. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Me to and likewise. I read or study perhaps 5 hours a day and work 10 to 14 . All or most of my extra time is spent in some aspect of the
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Judy is 'gonzo'. I'm sorry
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Me to and likewise. I read or study perhaps 5 hours a day and work 10
to 14 . All or most
? I think youve
been reading too much TruthTalk! J Izzy
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Judyt:Amen on the 'hatred' observation. I do
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Izzy:An aside (I think) America was not, is not and, will
never be a 'Christian' nation except in name only. Compare Muslim 'nations
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Izzy:An aside (I think)
America was not, is not and, will
never be a 'Christian' nation except in name
Family
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Lance,
Could you elaborate on this statement? Which groups? I, for example, hate
the RCC. But I love Catholics (such as my own family members, friends, and
public peopl
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Izzy:God does not "hate" the RCC so why then should you, Judy et al "hate" the RCC??
PS:How does one separate the Lie from the Liar?, the whatever from the whatever?? I don't, you don't God doesn't, as I
What happens indeed??
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What does THAT mean Izzy
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Izzy:There are no christian principles. None
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Izzy:God does not hate the RCC so why then
should you, Judy et al hate the RCC??
PS:How does one separate the Lie from the Liar
Izzy:'liars', 'indoctrinated dupes',
'error':JUST AS WE ARE!!If you're including us then, I
agree.
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The
RCC
house! I will love
them no more; All their princes are rebels.
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In a message dated 6/29/2004 4:41
Judyt:No, they don't. They refer away from
themselves to reality. That's what they MEAN. A 'chair' is that thing upon which
you sit. Men's/women's wc, walk/don't walk etc.
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Judy:Actually, it is.
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Understandable since you, Chris, Jonathan, and Bill
are of one heart
and one mind inmany areas,
:48:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What happens indeed??
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and Violence
Izzy:words 'mean' things.
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What does THAT mean Izzy
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Apparently not
yours? Why cant you explain WHAT YOUR WORDS MEAN? Dont go
weird(er) on us, Lance! Izzy
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Judyt:Amen on the 'hatred' observation. I do,
however, believe that there exists genuine 'hatred' , in practice, between
believing groups in America.
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Izzy:An aside (I think) America was not, is not
and, will never be a 'Christian' nation except in name only. Compare Muslim
'nations'.
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I
wonder
I wonder how many more Jews (and others) would have died if every
Christian refused to fight for them. Certainly America would still be an English
colony if some Christians had not fought for independence here. Izzy
I wonder how many Jewish lives pacifism would have cost if
The NT Canon was closed in 367AD at
which time the professing Church was hopelessly mired in mixture.
Judy, You surely do not think that there were any
epistles being written after, say maybe, AD 85-95, do you?That is what I
meant by the "closing of the Canon."
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The debt you owe them is immeasurable. The eyes you read scripture with every day are not fresh eyes (none of us has fresh eyes); rather, they are eyes that have learned both wrongly and rightly from what has
Bill, I believe we are to obey the government as long as it does
not violate our conscience. We obey God first, government 2nd. When
the Revolutionaries fought for freedom from oppression (on many levels) I
believe they were laying their lives on the line for what their conscience told
Judy:Well said. You might be seen, on occasion, as
a modern day "Church Mother". (Amma Judy)
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Good Morning All:
Terry -
Lance Muir wrote:
Judy:Well said. You might be seen,
on occasion, as a modern day "Church Mother". (Amma Judy)
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man.
Kay
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May I
say that everything that both you and Izzy said i
that respondents think
before writing. O Ya? just doesn't cut it.
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Lance Muir wrote:
Judy:Well said. You might be seen
Judy:Pacifissism is a viable option.
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Terry writes:
Still, the real question has not been addressed. We know what
Well done.
John
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Good Morning All:
Terry - I've given your question a lot of thought over the years since we were a military family when the Lord got my attention once more on Adak AK and I began to
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The Bible cannot and must not be USED as either an ANSWER BOOK or a PROMISE BOOK.
Lance, if you are voicing an opinion against viewing the Bible as a book of formulae, I very much agree. principles - yes;
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It's not a viable option in the spiritual warfare. Do you have any examples of how it has helped in the world at large?
I took Lance's remark as a comment regarding the physical world.
John
Judy:In this(spiritual warfare)I believe you
to be correct. However, in the other (just plain warfare) it is an option. Many
Christians have chosen this road. This is a reflection of their conscience
before God.
Many in the early years of the church chose this
route.
I wonder how many
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wonder how many TT'ers favor the death penalty?
On merit, it is ok. In practice - absolutely not until we figure out how not to send innocent folk to the death row. DNA has caused me to change my mind about
John:Me too.
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wonder
.
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Good
questions. I think there's a difference between "kill" and murder. God did
tell His peop
Lance, the confusion always comes
when we confuse Gods commandments on an individual/personal level with
Gods authority given to governing bodies. Yes, of course it is okay to
fight as a soldier. No it is not
okay to fight as an individual, UNLESS it is in self-defense (who would not
The devil ... has on occasioncontrolled men in
positions of authority. Hitler is one example and the Jews pacifistic response
to him cost them a lot of lives.
Iwonder how many Jewish lives pacifism would have costif every
Christian in Germany would have taken Paul's words seriously and
Bill:
Why would you call the Third Reich Christian? They were into all kinds of occult
practices. Do you know much about what was involved in being a member of the German
Army during WW2. I know Hitler made a Concordat with Pope Pius but that does not make
either of them Christian.
Grace
either of them Christian. It's smoke and mirrors, Judy, and
you know it.
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Bill:
Why would you call the Third
By the second century the early church was off into heresy and when Constantine tried
to blend church with state it made things much worse. Paul exhorts his hearers to obey
those who have been given Governmental authority and it appears (at least once) that
he valued and used his Roman
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !!
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Bill: Why would you call the Third Reich
"Christian?"
Now there's a
giant
and 'readings' with favour given to some strands
over others.
Jonathan
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JT By the
second century the early church was off into heresy
BT: You've said this on numerous
Lance Muir wrote:
Terry:My 'Bonhoeffer' point was,
that each much decide for himself. Much like the theologies expressed
on TT. There is no one (1) right answer to which all must subscribe.
The Bible cannot and must not be
USED as either an ANSWER BOOK or a PROMISE BOOK.
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The devil ... has on occasion controlled men in positions of authority. Hitler is one example and the Jews pacifistic response to him cost them a lot of lives.
I wonder how many Jewish lives pacifism would
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Damn ocrats?
ahm.
John
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was, by conviction, a pacifist. After a great deal of
inner turmoil, he decided to participate in an attempted assassination of
Hitler. It failed. He was arrested. He was hanged a few days prior to the
end of the war. I believe Bonhoeffer was right. Original Message -
Just once will someone help Judyt understand
ambiguity. You, and perhaps Terry, want for someone to say: "here's the answer,
here's the verse(s), this is what you are to think" Neither Scripture nor life
can be reduced to this sort of formulaic thinking (in my opinion, of
course).
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Just once will someone help Judyt understand ambiguity. You,
and perhaps Terry, want for someone to say: here's the answer, here's
illustration? Does Judy?
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Again,
Lance, you often seem to be confused by simplicity. Why do you find comfort in foggy,
fuzzy
I'm off to a 90 minute visit to the beloved
dentist. Why? I didn't take adequate care. Nothing complicated
there.
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Good morning family: What a nice way to say hello. Yes, I consider even
Proves my point? J Izzy
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I'm off to a 90 minute visit to the beloved dentist. Why? I
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Izzie:Would that it were so. War, peace, death, life, black,
white, love, hate, good, bad. I'm fairly confident that neither you nor Judy
have found life itself to be functionally at the simple
, 2004 7:07
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Just once will someone help Judyt
understand ambiguity. You, and perhaps Terry, want for someone to say: "here's
the answer, here's the verse(s), this is what you are to think" Neither
Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:46
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Izzie:Would that it were so. War,
peace, death, life, black, white, love, hate, good, bad. I'm fairly confident
that neither you nor Judy have found life
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