Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-22 Thread Kris Douglas
FreeNAS is always a good OS for running a light NAS box. It manages all the drives, but runs common linux ftp daemons, so it's pretty stable... we have 2 3TB machines that backup an entire windows domain and a couple of external office machines every 2 days. We have never had any problems with Fre

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-22 Thread Matthew Daubney
I've got a Linksys NSLU2 USB2 to Network box and it works fantastically. It does prefer your disks to be in ext3 (so it can set permissions properly I think!) and it's just a stripped down linux box with samba on it and a web interface. I've never had it fail on me (though I did have to upgrade

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-22 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:36:43 +0100 David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks, that's very useful to know.. > ..although I'm going to have to find out what the current method of > hacking /etc/fstab is these days since newfangled stuff introduced > with edgy turned it to gibberish.. (Bah: it work

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-22 Thread David M
Tom Bamford wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: External hard disks and backup strategies > I've always found support for USB mass storage devices to be excellent > in Ubuntu. I haven't come across a drive that isn't automatically > recognised and mounted, no matter what files

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-22 Thread David M
Mark Harrison wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: External hard disks and backup strategies > So, relating to the home network, not the work one: > > - I have a home network with a few machines > - All data gets stored on a server > - I have an external USB hard disk > - Once an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-20 Thread Ian Pascoe
Whoops! Yeah, I think I would be a tad naffed off too! E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Stean Sent: 20 September 2007 09:53 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies Lol Ian, for A

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-20 Thread Kris Douglas
Ahh, Greater London... hmm. On 20/09/2007, Kris Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 20/09/2007, Pete Stean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Lol Ian, for A you mean 7% less I'd feel really cheated if I > > bought a 250GB disc and it had 17.5GB of space on it :D > > > > Anyone else

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-20 Thread Kris Douglas
On 20/09/2007, Pete Stean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lol Ian, for A you mean 7% less I'd feel really cheated if I > bought a 250GB disc and it had 17.5GB of space on it :D > > Anyone else going to the GLLUG thing near the post office tower on > Saturday afternoon? Some interesting speakers

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-20 Thread Pete Stean
Lol Ian, for A you mean 7% less I'd feel really cheated if I bought a 250GB disc and it had 17.5GB of space on it :D Anyone else going to the GLLUG thing near the post office tower on Saturday afternoon? Some interesting speakers... Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.c

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Ian Pascoe
py on a not so easily accessable central storage device. E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Bamford Sent: 19 September 2007 15:15 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies Hi David, I'

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Saltire
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Flynn Sent: 18 September 2007 22:54 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies On 18/09/2007, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On the other hand, a plain-old USB hard disk seems the simpler opt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Tom Bamford
Hi David, I've always found support for USB mass storage devices to be excellent in Ubuntu. I haven't come across a drive that isn't automatically recognised and mounted, no matter what filesystem you choose to use on it. Even my SE mobile works as a card reader on Ubuntu out of the box. If yo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Harrison
Pete Stean wrote: > Can I also add that a few of the NAS devices will also run linux - if > memory serves there's a NAS-specific Debian build you can use on a > couple of devices... have a google - that thing could be routing your > email, acting as a music server, a firewall and store your files

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Mac
Thanks for the info/advice. I'll do as you suggest. (I guess there might need to be some chown-ing and chgrp-ing of files and directories if I ever did need to restore from the FAT32 drive?). Mac Robert McWilliam wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:18:17 +0100, "Mac" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Pete Stean
Can I also add that a few of the NAS devices will also run linux - if memory serves there's a NAS-specific Debian build you can use on a couple of devices... have a google - that thing could be routing your email, acting as a music server, a firewall and store your files amongst other things - I d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Harrison
Backups are not archives in my world :-) So, relating to the home network, not the work one: - I have a home network with a few machines - All data gets stored on a server - I have an external USB hard disk - Once an HOUR, the server copies everything over to the USB drive (rsync is your friend)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-19 Thread Allan Day
There is also an issue about how valuable your data is. I have found it useful to distinguish between the levels of priority of my data. For my most valuable material, I use rysnc to keep a copy with rysnc.net [1]. This has the advantage of being fully automated. For the rest of it, I use Unis

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-18 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:18:17 +0100, "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > BTW, rsync still gives me errors when trying to sync > ownership and permissions to the shared FAT32 NAS rsync can't make the owner and permissions match on FAT32 because FAT32 doesn't support them. You can get the errors to go

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-18 Thread Mac
Robert McWilliam wrote: < big snip> > I think NAS is extra complication (and cost) for not much advantage > unless you want to use it for sharing the files or are using a laptop > and want the backup to happen wirelessly, or have some other reason > beyond backups. I'd agree with this. On my home

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-18 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:27:46 + andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My recommendation (based on ~50GB on data) would be to setup a NAS > with mirrored RAID1 disks. Have two partitions on each disk. Have a > weekly backup that you store for 8 weeks, and a keep every 4th image > for a month. Then

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-18 Thread andy
David, I'm not sure how much data you're looking to backup - but yours is probably not a unique situation. I think the biggest question is "Do you know what you want to backup?" If you can safely say "Yes" - and it's well organised - then the problem is massively diminished. The first thin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-18 Thread Steve Flynn
On 18/09/2007, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On the other hand, a plain-old USB hard disk seems the simpler option. I > would naively assume that as USB is now well-proven technology, these > would work just fine with Ubuntu, but is that the case? How easy would > it be to automate backups to

[ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

2007-09-18 Thread David M
Hi, Now that external hard disks are cheap, I'm thinking about getting an external hard disk so that I can keep a backup of my data. In fact, I'm even thinking of getting *two* for alternate use so that if the worst should happen and my system dies while backing up my data I haven't toasted both m