Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-04 Thread Gareth France
Panic over. Today I took a random meander around some of the snippets of code I have collected over the last few years and actually managed to assemble a GUI. I now have a simple window with two pull down menus and three buttons. Not exactly high tech but it will do the job perfectly for now.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
So how do you set a program up to accessed from anywhere as you would expect to be able to use it? On 03/05/15 12:01, Alan Pope wrote: It will be rejected if you do. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
Correct, my software is ready to roll, it is simply a case of knowing where to install it to make it accessible. Should no better suggestions be put forward I shall attempt to submit your solution and see if it gets accepted. On 03/05/15 21:50, Colin Law wrote: I thought you had got over the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Colin Law
On 3 May 2015 at 20:55, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: My brain still hurts from figuring out everything I have done so far. I'd rather not have to start again if I can at all help it. As you say there will be a correct way to do this and I would hope that being pointed to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
There is no point in botching it to make it work as that's not really an instruction I can expect anyone downloading it to have to follow. Will the packaging moderators be happy with me installing to /usr/local? On 03/05/15 11:33, Simon Greenwood wrote: Your immediate fix is to run 'export

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 3 May 2015 at 10:47, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: With a little help from Paul Sladen I got it sorted thanks. My only issue now is that the installed package only runs if you call it using the full path /opt/cliftontestsuite/primetest. Just typing primetest an any

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
The packaging tutorial ends with: Basic DOs and Dont's for packaging for Commercial Applications DOs Please use /opt/application_name/ as your application root directory I have no idea if it is in $PATH but this is a stock install and I need this to just work on a stock install. On

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Barry Drake
On 02/05/15 22:30, Gareth France wrote: Ok, I am really, really needing some help here. I have resolved all the issues one by one, except for an issue with the format. It is set to 3.0 (quilt) but I keep getting this error: Gareth Just over a year ago, I had a go at making a Debian Sword

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Colin Law
On 3 May 2015 at 12:01, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 3 May 2015 at 11:36, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: There is no point in botching it to make it work as that's not really an instruction I can expect anyone downloading it to have to follow. Will the packaging

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
With a little help from Paul Sladen I got it sorted thanks. My only issue now is that the installed package only runs if you call it using the full path /opt/cliftontestsuite/primetest. Just typing primetest an any random location does not work. Is this by design or have I screwed up? On

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 3 May 2015 at 10:55, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: The packaging tutorial ends with: Basic DOs and Dont's for packaging for Commercial Applications DOs Please use /opt/application_name/ as your application root directory I have no idea if it is in $PATH but this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Alan Pope
On 3 May 2015 at 11:36, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: There is no point in botching it to make it work as that's not really an instruction I can expect anyone downloading it to have to follow. Will the packaging moderators be happy with me installing to /usr/local? It

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Alan Pope
On 3 May 2015 at 12:44, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: So how do you set a program up to accessed from anywhere as you would expect to be able to use it? Well, typically applications that are submitted via that means are shipped with a graphical user interface, an icon and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
As most people are now well aware I'm desperate to be able to work out GUI programming, but it does not seem to be my fate. There must be a correct way to submit a commercial command line only program. It is virtually useless if each user must be taught to use the full path each time. On

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Barry Drake
On 03/05/15 20:04, Gareth France wrote: As most people are now well aware I'm desperate to be able to work out GUI programming, but it does not seem to be my fate. There must be a correct way to submit a commercial command line only program. It is virtually useless if each user must be taught to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-03 Thread Gareth France
My brain still hurts from figuring out everything I have done so far. I'd rather not have to start again if I can at all help it. As you say there will be a correct way to do this and I would hope that being pointed to that correct way I would be able to do so with the tools I am already

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-02 Thread Gareth France
debian/source/format:3.0 (quilt) debian/cliftontestsuite.install:primetest /opt/cliftontestsuite/ On 02/05/15 21:43, Paul Sladen wrote: Please post the output of: $ grep . debian/{source/format,*.install} -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-02 Thread Gareth France
Ok, I am really, really needing some help here. I have resolved all the issues one by one, except for an issue with the format. It is set to 3.0 (quilt) but I keep getting this error: dpkg-source: warning: no source format specified in debian/source/format, see dpkg-source(1) The format is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-02 Thread Paul Sladen
On Sat, 2 May 2015, Gareth France wrote: debian/source/format debian/cliftontestsuite.install Please post the output of: $ grep . debian/{source/format,*.install} -Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-05-02 Thread Paul Sladen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 2 May 2015, Gareth France wrote: debian/source/format:3.0 (quilt) I've run a few experiments trying variations like weird DOS line endings, extra lines/newlines and so forth but I can't reproduce the error message that you are seeing.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Alan Pope
On 28 April 2015 at 09:17, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: I must apologise that I have limited time to look at this, usually at the end of the day when I'm not at my best anyway. I've just performed debbuild on it and taken some time to scrutinise the output. It does seem to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Gareth France
All the reading in the world isn't going to change the issues which to the best of my ability appear to be correct. The format file in debian/source contains: 3.0 (quilt) Which as far as I can see is correct. On 28/04/15 09:32, Alan Pope wrote: Honestly, read the documentation. You have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Colin Law
On 28 April 2015 at 08:22, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: If it were clear how to do this then I would most certainly have done so. In practice I may have or I may have not. I have followed as much of the process as makes sense. Please don't top post, thanks. Are you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Alan Pope
On 28 Apr 2015 08:22, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: If it were clear how to do this then I would most certainly have done so. In practice I may have or I may have not. I have followed as much of the process as makes sense. It's incredibly unprofessional to upload software

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Gareth France
If it were clear how to do this then I would most certainly have done so. In practice I may have or I may have not. I have followed as much of the process as makes sense. On 28/04/15 08:19, Alan Pope wrote: The idea is that you test the package yourself before submission rather than use the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Alan Pope
On 27 Apr 2015 20:35, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: I have just submitted my program. What has been so frustrating for me is that I know it is a simple process once you have done it. I'm certain I've got it wrong but I should be able to deal with that thanks to feedback from

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Gareth France
I'm saying that the guide steps you through packaging one example where the work has already been done. Applying that to a fresh project is impossible as it skips important steps that you need to know. It is not possible for someone who has not done this before to follow the guide! No I have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-28 Thread Gareth France
I must apologise that I have limited time to look at this, usually at the end of the day when I'm not at my best anyway. I've just performed debbuild on it and taken some time to scrutinise the output. It does seem to be experiencing some issues, though I'm a bit stumped as to what to do next:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Dave Morley
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 23:46:18 +0100 Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: I have written some software I would like to publish in Ubuntu. Following the official guides I can create their demo program which simply prints 'hello world' on the screen. Unsurprisingly I'm looking to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
I didn't think you could package commercial pay for software that way. On 27/04/15 09:21, Dave Morley wrote: If it's just command line I would suggest just using a ppa on launchpad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
So how do you explain the likes of get-iplayer? I would love to develop a gui app but it is physically impossible and nobody seems willing to help me with that. On 27/04/15 11:29, Dave Morley wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:18:36 +0100 Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Dave Morley
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:18:36 +0100 Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: I didn't think you could package commercial pay for software that way. On 27/04/15 09:21, Dave Morley wrote: If it's just command line I would suggest just using a ppa on launchpad Ah not commercial

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
I have just submitted my program. What has been so frustrating for me is that I know it is a simple process once you have done it. I'm certain I've got it wrong but I should be able to deal with that thanks to feedback from the submission process. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Alan Pope
On 27 April 2015 at 11:47, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: So how do you explain the likes of get-iplayer? That's not a commercial app in the store, it's a free software application packaged up in the standard ubuntu repository. I would love to develop a gui app but it is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Alan Pope
On 27 April 2015 at 12:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: Alan, I have tried to work out the process of creating a GUI and it's so alien from what I know to be programming. The SDK will generate an empty package for me but then what??? I've followed the tutorials and ended

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
Probably worth starting from the beginning and stopping when it gets difficult and ask for help at that point. Ok, load the SDK, open a new project. Now I'm stuck. I just don't get any aspect of the concept of graphical programming. I really do think the only way I'm going to get it is to have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Alan Pope
On 27 April 2015 at 13:37, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: Ok, load the SDK, open a new project. Now I'm stuck. I just don't get any aspect of the concept of graphical programming. I really do think the only way I'm going to get it is to have some time face to face with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
Alan, I have tried to work out the process of creating a GUI and it's so alien from what I know to be programming. The SDK will generate an empty package for me but then what??? I've followed the tutorials and ended up with something that's almost working and absolutely no understanding of how

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Dave Morley
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:37:31 +0100 Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: Probably worth starting from the beginning and stopping when it gets difficult and ask for help at that point. Ok, load the SDK, open a new project. Now I'm stuck. I just don't get any aspect of the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
On 27/04/15 13:50, Dave Morley wrote: If it is a cli tool you can create an application launcher that calls terminal and then opens the cli app but that is not recommended, however it is not impossible and takes longer to review. As for the gui guide follow the many examples on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
This is a good place to start. I've been through this tutorial, written by someone else, and it worked. It really clearly steps through every bit of the process. It's good for QML applications which are mobile focussed, less good for legacy type desktop applications though. My program needs

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Andy Partington
On 27 April 2015 at 14:25, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: This is a good place to start. I've been through this tutorial, written by someone else, and it worked. It really clearly steps through every bit of the process. It's good for QML applications which are mobile

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
On 27/04/15 14:36, Andy Partington wrote: Documenting is the way forward! I do it to everything I do now, my memory sucks!!! I just bullet point each procedure I do and expand as and where necessary after I've worked it out. I agree with you and have already tried that. I think sometimes the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Alan Pope
On 27 April 2015 at 17:17, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: Could anyone suggest what I am supposed to put for copyright and licensing if I'm doing a commercial project? By commercial I wonder if you mean proprietary? Either way, take a look at the copyright file you get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
On 27/04/15 13:50, Dave Morley wrote: You need to read up on creating a debian package. https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/other-forms-of-submitting-apps/packaging-commercial-apps-part-1-get-set-up-overview-of-debian-packaging/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
Yes I do mean proprietary. I'm building this software as a product for my business, I have chosen to go down the proprietary route and charge for the program as if course it does need to make a profit. I am open to any suggestions as to how I could monetise my product better in line with the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-27 Thread Gareth France
When following the guides for submitting it talks you through setting up your system, then the content of the various files. Then it steps you through downloading, compiling and submitting the hello program. However it states that hello uses the autoconf build system, but doesn't tell you

[ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

2015-04-25 Thread Gareth France
I have written some software I would like to publish in Ubuntu. Following the official guides I can create their demo program which simply prints 'hello world' on the screen. Unsurprisingly I'm looking to do much more than that! However the guides miss out a lot of important information and