Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Sean Miller
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't understand instruction 2. Is it one long line? What is the doing there, and is it single spaced in between the two long strings? Or did it creep in when the email was transmitted? sed 's/blacklist

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: Tell me, do you think there is any good reason, in anybody's minds but the LinuxCertified engineers, to use a non default driver at all? Is the instability in the r8169 driver a matter of common knowledge, or just something they dreamed up to make

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
Morning, 2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: So you think it's worth using the non-default driver. I think it's worth using whatever driver works :) That means that I must switch off auto-updates, after reinstalling the non-default driver, No, it doesn't as I understand it. They

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Just a couple of after-thoughts, Al: One, the thing already installed some of the auto-updates, then got stuck, because it had disabled the interface and couldn't download the rest, so I shall have to tell it to stop complaining about this fact until I am sorted. Two, in fact, it appears the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Well, it's true one has to confirm the install by clicking an OK button, before the auto-updater starts installing anything at all, so I guess it follows that merely going online and downloading updates is harmless. I did, unfortunately, click OK to install on the first occasion, being an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: One, the thing already installed some of the auto-updates, then got stuck, because it had disabled the interface and couldn't download the rest, so I shall have to tell it to stop complaining about this fact until I am sorted. Yes, the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
The machine itself is a Compal JHL 90 (Korean, not Japanese, my bad). Gorgeous screen to it. The Compal manual is online in various places. I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me whether this machine really has bleeding edge chipsets. Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/2 Rowan

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Sean, is make clean modules an instruction you type in? I assumed it was an instruction to ME, to make them clean somehow. Sean Miller wrote: Hi Rowan, What is it you don't understand? They appear to be giving you two options :- a. revert to the default Ubuntu driver 1. mv

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: Sean, is make clean modules an instruction you type in? I assumed it was an instruction to ME, to make them clean somehow. It is a command, yes. However I just tried it here using that driver and it fails, because the (realtek - not LC) seem to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Al, this is exactly the sort of thing that made me ask over and over for hands-on help - which would not only be more likely to succeed but would be faster than all this online discussion. Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: Sean, is make clean modules an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
p.s. (sorry to double post where one would do): I shall ask them by email whether or not that is the case. Before even turning it on, I want comprehensive instructions including contingencies. Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: Sean, is make clean modules an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
I typed that in exactly as you gave it, Al, and got no output at all. How do I check which ubuntu version I have? I know it goes by very fast during the boot sequence, I think it's 24 something. Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: p.s. (sorry to double post

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Nope, and I am no idea where to find this magazine of which you speak, nor do I much want to. I have the restore discs, and that's it. But thanks. Tony Travis wrote: Rowan wrote: Al, this is exactly the sort of thing that made me ask over and over for hands-on help - which would not only

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: I typed that in exactly as you gave it, Al, and got no output at all. How do I check which ubuntu version I have? I know it goes by very fast during the boot sequence, I think it's 24 something. [...] Hello, Rowan. To find out which kernel you are running type: uname

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Excellent stuff, Tony, thanks again. uname -a gives Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-23-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 26 00:13:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux administration/system monitor/system gives Ubuntu Release 8.04 (hardy) Kernel Linux 2.6.24-23-generic GNOME 2.22.3 Tony Travis wrote: Rowan wrote: I typed

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan rowan.berke...@googlemail.com: I typed that in exactly as you gave it, Al, and got no output at all. It's case sensitive. Alternatively you can press ALT+F2, and then in the box type gksu nautilus /root and then navigate to /root/lc2000/r8168-8.008.00/src and open the Makefile to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
I reproduced the cases (and the spaces) as you gave them, Al. There is no KVARS line at all in the Makefile. Here are the contents. KVER := $(shell uname -r) KDIR := /lib/modules/$(KVER)/build KMISC := /lib/modules/$(KVER)/kernel/drivers/net/ KEXT := $(shell

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: Excellent stuff, Tony, thanks again. uname -a gives Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-23-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 26 00:13:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux administration/system monitor/system gives Ubuntu Release 8.04 (hardy) Kernel Linux 2.6.24-23-generic GNOME 2.22.3 Hello, Rowan. OK, you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
My head is spinning. I shall let the machine have a rest (and also my brain). We can maybe discuss what you all think is really the best thing long-term. It is a lovely, lovely machine. I need to power it down now anyway, because I took a little tip from the Compal manual, which is this: after

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-01 Thread Rowan
Could people kindly amplify the following cryptic instructions from LinuxCertified's engineers so that a complete ignoramus like me can follow them? I have reproduced the lines of code EXACTLY as transmitted. My current machine is getting rather wonky, so I need to get all this on paper

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-01 Thread Sean Miller
Hi Rowan, What is it you don't understand? They appear to be giving you two options :- a. revert to the default Ubuntu driver 1. mv /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.bak 2. sed 's/blacklist r8169/#blacklist r8169/' /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.bak /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-01 Thread Rowan
I don't understand instruction 2. Is it one long line? What is the doing there, and is it single spaced in between the two long strings? Or did it creep in when the email was transmitted? sed 's/blacklist r8169/#blacklist r8169/' /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.bak /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Rowan
I would certainly want to make it clear to anyone considering starting with Linux that unless they are already online with another machine (I am using a beat-up old sony running WinXP) it will be absolute hell for them to find anyone who can help them get started. I could not possibly have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Rob Beard
On 25/02/2009 15:19, Jon Reynolds wrote: Hi all, I would like to add something to this, although not entirely relevant to Rowan's case, but it reminds me of a lot of people thinking when it comes to adopting Linux. I have tried, half-heartedly, to get family members to switch to Ubuntu,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: I would certainly want to make it clear to anyone considering starting with Linux that unless they are already online with another machine (I am using a beat-up old sony running WinXP) it will be absolute hell for them to find anyone who can help them get started. [...] Hello,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Rowan
I didn't start out with the preconception that someone else would have to sort it out for me hands-on. However, I do feel that now, and yesterday two people on this list said quite cheerfully that at some point it should be possible to do just that, and I don't want to start reviewing that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-24 Thread Rowan
Thanks but I shall wait until someone is able to reinstall the driver, install DKMS, and give the thing a general once-over, as discussed earlier. Please understand that although I appreciate the 'open source philosophy' I do NOT regard myself as competent to fix this. Matthew Daubney wrote: