Re: Stability of WG2

"Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The North Korean and Chinese national bodies have already > made proposals that violate both the letter and spirit of stability > policies. Fortunately they each have only one vote in WG2. - Chris

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

On 12/15/03 12:10, Michael Everson wrote: I am not certain that the existing code position is satisfactory for non-CJK use. That is, Tibetan, Norse, Native American, Scouting use, and so on. Those NEVER show Han brush-stroke shapes. I would like to see some discussion about whether the properti

Re: Stability of WG2 (was: Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC)

Kenneth Whistler wrote: > One of the reasons why "national bodies" (the standardization > organizations of the various countries that participate in the > ISO framework) make longterm commitments to participation in > the ISO standards is to ensure the *stability* of the standards > that concern

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Philippe Verdy wrote: >> There may be a problem here, but the urgency seems very slight; > > I detected it after it produced a security bug (a user record was > unexpectedly updated on my database...) > ... >> and dotless lowercase i in non-Turkic languages. > > Wrong here: I have found occurence

RE: Latin Capital Reversed K

Michael Everson writes: > At 09:07 -0800 2003-12-15, Alex LeDonne wrote: > http://www.baseballscorecard.com/scoring.htm > This shows complex, non-plain-text notation. And this adds to the common fact that only native American people can really understand the so complex rules of base-ball...

Re: Stability of WG2 (was: Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC)

Doug wrote: > Perhaps that is Peter's point: that some day, changes in the membership > and market pressures (which have shown to be an influence on other ISO > committees) could result in a different attitude toward the written > policies of WG2 from that which currently exists. > > > It s

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Jungshik Shin wrote: > If those 20 assemblymen have time and energy to deal with this > foolish name change business, they had better push for a bill to > punish (even post-mortem?) collabortors to the Japanese colonialist > as France did after WW II. If those 20 assemblymen really think a name

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Kenneth Whistler wrote: > Peter Kirk noted: > > That said, you may not be aware of the fact that the name "KOREAN" > has *already* been the subject of much discussion in WG2, precisely > because the DPRK, in its initial participation in WG2, tried to > get the word "HANGUL" (i

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Doug Ewell wrote: > Philippe Verdy wrote: > > You have not read: I'm not interested in the Turkic case, but in NON > > Turkic languages, exactly with the default rule which: > > - does not differentiate the dotted uppercase I and the undotted > > uppercase I when casefolding them to the SAME soft-

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Doug Ewell wrote: > Patrick Andries wrote: > > > Because according to the articles this was the original English > > spelling before the occupying Japanese authorities changed the initial > > C by a K so that Korea would follow Japan in alphabetical order. If those 20 assem

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Doug Ewell wrote: > Peter Kirk wrote: > > (although I do think the change from Korea to Corea is a bit stupid) > > I still don't see what possible benefit could accrue to the Koreas by > changing the spelling of their English names. The main effect would be > confusion. I

Re: Stability of WG2 (was: Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC)

Not to prolong this thread, but... Doug wrote: > There may be a parallel, however tenuous, in the Federalist Papers, a > series of articles that led to the drafting of the U.S. Constitution. Sorry, factual error. Those papers did not *lead* to the drafting of the Constitution, they were a set o

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Philippe Verdy wrote: > You have not read: I'm not interested in the Turkic case, but in NON > Turkic languages, exactly with the default rule which: > - does not differentiate the dotted uppercase I and the undotted > uppercase I when casefolding them to the SAME soft-dotted lowercase i. > - but

Stability of WG2 (was: Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC)

John Cowan wrote: >> You may personally be very determined not to make such changes, but >> presumably there is a mechanism by which in principle you might be >> outvoted within WG2. > > That would require a revolution in the membership as well as the > policies of WG2, which is committed (jointl

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Peter Kirk wrote: > (although I do think the change from Korea to Corea is a bit stupid) I still don't see what possible benefit could accrue to the Koreas by changing the spelling of their English names. The main effect would be confusion. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adel

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Markus Scherer wrote: > It still comes back to what Doug said: The default rules make > sense for most languages, while in > order to make sense for Turkic languages, you must use special > rules for them. There is no way > around it - it comes from the fact that they use the same letters > in

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

> The figure has other names besides swastika. In heraldry, The figure is > called a fylfot or sometimes a gammidion (four gammas arrayed). The use of 'fylfot' in heraldry is a Victorian affectation. There is only _one_ pre-Victorian use of this word, in which it appears to mean exactly what

RE: [OT] Corea? (was: Euro-English...)

At 00:37 +0100 2003-12-16, Philippe Verdy wrote: But all this is completely out of topic of Unicode (we are more concerned here by language codes than by country/territory codes). Yes, it is. Still, ISO 3166 or in UN codes is an incomplete standard, as it does not map correctly all dependant terr

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Peter Kirk noted: > Anyway I was thinking not so much of a voluntary decision by WG2, but > that there might perhaps be pressure, even a directive, from the top of > ISO to change "Korean" to "Corean", which even you, even WG2, might be > unable to resist. That would constitute a *technical* c

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

On 15/12/2003 14:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Kirk scripsit: You may personally be very determined not to make such changes, but presumably there is a mechanism by which in principle you might be outvoted within WG2. That would require a revolution in the membership as well as the

RE: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Doug Ewell writes: > wrote: > > Also, you have to allow for changes in the source: when the name > > "Leghorn" was coined, Livorno was still called Ligorno. > >> ("Pair-iss" is a bit over the top; English speakers are > >> certainly capable of saying "par-ee.") > > > > Again, when that name was b

RE: [OT] Corea? (was: Euro-English...)

Doug Ewell wrote: > Oops! I wrote: > > I don't think that implies any requirement to keep the names mnemonic, > s/names/codes/ The recent changes in ISO 3166 prooves the opposite: country codes sometimes change without any requirement to do so: See "YU" which should have been left even if it's n

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Philippe Verdy wrote: The caveats are well-known and well-publicized. If you want Turkic-specific case mapping behavior, you really have to use the Turkic-specific case mapping tables. I already use this Turkic specific mappings. They have no problems at all if I use "C" + "T". There is also no pr

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Peter Kirk scripsit: > You may personally be very determined not to make such changes, but > presumably there is a mechanism by which in principle you might be > outvoted within WG2. That would require a revolution in the membership as well as the policies of WG2, which is committed (jointly wi

Re: [OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

>> One way to do that in Unicode would involve Canadian Syllabics: >> AáBA or even . > > Can't it just be considered a glyph variant of "ABBA"? Of course it is. I was being facetious, in the spirit of the thread. It is just as much a glyph variant as the "ya" in Toys 'Ð' Us. -Doug Ewell Ful

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

wrote: > Also, you have to allow for changes in the source: when the name > "Leghorn" was coined, Livorno was still called Ligorno. > > ... > >> ("Pair-iss" is a bit over the top; English speakers are >> certainly capable of saying "par-ee.") > > Again, when that name was borrowed, the French we

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

At 13:55 -0800 2003-12-15, Peter Kirk wrote: On 15/12/2003 12:25, Michael Everson wrote: At 12:09 -0800 2003-12-15, Peter Kirk wrote: Then let's hope that ISO 10646 doesn't decide to break its own rules and change "KOREAN" to "COREAN" in character names e.g. U+321D. Think what that would do to

Re: [OT] Corea? (was: Euro-English...)

Oops! I wrote: > I don't think that implies any requirement to keep the names mnemonic, s/names/codes/ -Doug

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

On 15/12/2003 12:25, Michael Everson wrote: At 12:09 -0800 2003-12-15, Peter Kirk wrote: Then let's hope that ISO 10646 doesn't decide to break its own rules and change "KOREAN" to "COREAN" in character names e.g. U+321D. Think what that would do to the Unicode stability policy - although in fa

Re: [OT] Corea? (was: Euro-English...)

Philippe Verdy wrote: >> Please, please let the ISO 3166/MA not get sucked into this one. > > That's not ISO 3166/MA that assigns official country names. > > ISO 3166/MA just uses the official country list from the United > Nations, which is simply updating its registration for country members >

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Peter Kirk wrote: > Then let's hope that ISO 10646 doesn't decide to break its own rules > and change "KOREAN" to "COREAN" in character names e.g. U+321D. Think > what that would do to the Unicode stability policy - although in fact > only five names are affected. If they decided not to change "

Re: [OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

on 2003-12-15 11:24 Doug Ewell wrote: BTW, the first person to suggest using Variation Selectors to encode reversed K's and B's will get bonked in the head with a foam bat. Um, Doug, that would be you, for bringing it to our attention Consider yourself bonked. -- Curtis Clark

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Doug Ewell scripsit: > It's always bothered me that speakers of > European languages, including English but especially French, have seen > fit to rename the cities and internal subdivisions of other countries. > An English speaker could travel from N)Bürnberg to München to Venezia to > Milano to

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

At 12:09 -0800 2003-12-15, Peter Kirk wrote: Then let's hope that ISO 10646 doesn't decide to break its own rules and change "KOREAN" to "COREAN" in character names e.g. U+321D. Think what that would do to the Unicode stability policy - although in fact only five names are affected. It is offen

RE: [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?)

Doug Ewell writes: > > for the official english names (no change > > necessary for the French version which is already "CorÃe" and > > "corÃen"), and possibly (if Corea opts for it) a new attribution for > > its country code (but the "cr" country code is already assigned to > > Costa-Rica). > > Pl

Re: [OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

Doug Ewell wrote: One way to do that in Unicode would involve Canadian Syllabics: AáBA or even . Can't it just be considered a glyph variant of "ABBA"? Stefan

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

On 15/12/2003 11:13, Doug Ewell wrote: ... As for ISO 3166, this whole morning I've had my fingers crossed that the MA won't jump at the opportunity to assign a new code for "Corea" (possibly reassigning a formerly used code, or breaking their own rules about exceptional reservations, as they did

Re: [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?)

Philippe Verdy wrote: > But you may see one day their national airways renamed > "Corean Airlines", or its main standard body renamed "CSC"... And perhaps a glyph variant for U+327F? -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/

RE: [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?)

> Probably no change in ISO 639, which deals with language names. > DEFINITELY no change in ISO 646, which is the ASCII character set. > Maybe a change in ISO 3166. (Suggestion: Re-read first, then hit > "Send.") Oops! You're right, that's an error when rewriting part of the sentence. I don't kno

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

- Message d'origine - De: "Doug Ewell" > Changes in pronunciation to fit different languages seem less offensive > somehow, depending on how difficult it is for speakers of language A to > make the sounds of language B. Most English and French speakers, for > example, are unlikely to pr

Re: [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?)

Philippe Verdy wrote: > > There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the > > troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like > > "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter. (...snip...) > > This is very excessive. The reform will certainly not affect common > words..

Re: [OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

Arcane Jill wrote: > Not wishing to bring the conversation down too low-brow, ABBA often > spelt their name with the first B reversed. One way to do that in Unicode would involve Canadian Syllabics: AáBA or even . BTW, the first person to suggest using Variation Selectors to encode reversed

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

wrote: > I respect the right of any nation (or for that matter any individual) > to call themselves whatever they want, more troublesome would be if > they wish to change their ISO 3166 codes. CR is taken and CP > exceptionally reserved, so hopefully they'll remain static. I'll go farther than t

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

> The caveats are well-known and well-publicized. If you want > Turkic-specific case mapping behavior, you really have to use the > Turkic-specific case mapping tables. I already use this Turkic specific mappings. They have no problems at all if I use "C" + "T". There is also no problem in the s

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

On 15/12/2003 08:03, Arcane Jill wrote: I sometimes wonder whether or not it was a wise choice to regard "LATIN SMALL LETTER I" and "LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I" as distinct. Too late to change it now, of course, but (with the benefit of hindsight) it occurs to me that if U+0069 had been regar

RE: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Doug Ewell wrote: > This seems very misguided, if true. Alphabetical primacy can > hardly be considered an effective measure of the relative > power or importance of a nation. > [...] > Remember that in the time frame in question, the late '30s and early > '40s, three of the major world powers we

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

At 08:03 AM 12/15/2003, Arcane Jill wrote: I sometimes wonder whether or not it was a wise choice to regard "LATIN SMALL LETTER I" and "LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I" as distinct. Too late to change it now, of course, but (with the benefit of hindsight) it occurs to me that if U+0069 had been re

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

- Message d'origine - De: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Quoting Doug Ewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Patrick Andries wrote: > > > > > Because according to the articles this was the original English > > > spelling before the occupying Japanese authorities changed the initial > > > C by a K so

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

From: "Patrick Andries" WROTE: >>> Because according to the articles this was the original English >>> spelling before the occupying Japanese authorities changed the >>> initial C by a K so that Korea would follow Japan in alphabetical >>> order. >> >> This seems very misguided, if true. > > Acco

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

A rose by any other name The figure has other names besides swastika. In heraldry, The figure is called a fylfot or sometimes a gammidion (four gammas arrayed). It has many variations as to orientation, direction, and using bent arms or knees as the gamma. It's common to see an array of three as i

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Philippe Verdy wrote: > I agree with your argument related to the difference between dotted > and dotless letters, except that the current case mappings make a > difference of behavior when comparing uppercase words or lowercase > words: a difference is kept in the case mappings for the lowercase

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Quoting Doug Ewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Patrick Andries wrote: > > > Because according to the articles this was the original English > > spelling before the occupying Japanese authorities changed the initial > > C by a K so that Korea would follow Japan in alphabetical order. > > This seems v

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Come to think of it, "Manchuquo" comes before "Nipon" and "Nihon" in just about any way you can think of Latinising it. -- Jon Hanna | Toys and books | for hospitals: |

Re: Latin Capital Reversed K

At 09:07 -0800 2003-12-15, Alex LeDonne wrote: http://www.baseballscorecard.com/scoring.htm This shows complex, non-plain-text notation. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Arcane Jill wrote: > I sometimes wonder whether or not it was a wise choice to regard > "LATIN SMALL LETTER I" and "LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I" as distinct. > Too late to change it now, of course, but (with the benefit of > hindsight) it occurs to me that if U+0069 had been regarded as > dotless

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > > Is this like baseball scoreboards showing the third consecutive > > strikeout symbol (which is a K) reversed? Is that to avoid "KKK" or > > is it for another reason? > > Which of course begs the question of whether we should encode a "LATIN >

RE: [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?)

> -Message d'origine- > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la > part de Carl W. Brown > Envoyé : lundi 15 décembre 2003 16:15 > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by > Microsoft?) > > > Euro-English > The EU announces

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

- Message d'origine - De: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Patrick Andries wrote: > > > Because according to the articles this was the original English > > spelling before the occupying Japanese authorities changed the initial > > C by a K so that Korea would follow Japan in alphabe

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Arcane Jill scripsit: > I sometimes wonder whether or not it was a wise choice to regard "LATIN > SMALL LETTER I" and "LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I" as distinct. Too late > to change it now, of course, but (with the benefit of hindsight) it > occurs to me that if U+0069 had been regarded as dot

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Yes, I know - same as dotted a, b, c, d, e, f, g and so on are distinct from dotless a, b, c, d, e, f, g and so on. I just meant that U+0069 could have been considered dotless - with dotted i being somewhere else. This wouldn't necessarily stop font designers for Western markers from putting a

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

> -Message d'origine- > De : Doug Ewell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyà : lundi 15 dÃcembre 2003 17:32 > à : Unicode Mailing List > Cc : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters > > > Philippe Verdy wrote: > > > I would have expected to find these m

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

At 08:52 -0800 2003-12-15, Elaine Keown wrote: Mark said: I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I find myself thinking that the swastika, THE Nazi swastika, right-facing, tilted .the whole deal, should be encoded This looks to me like the ideal place for an extended note in Unicode, not a code

Re: Latin Capital Reversed K (was [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?])

--- "Mark E. Shoulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/15/03 09:43, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > > > Is this like baseball scoreboards showing the third consecutive > > strikeout symbol (which is a K) reversed? Is that to avoid "KKK" > or > > is it for another reason? Traditionally in baseba

RE: [OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

Not wishing to bring the conversation down too low-brow, ABBA often spelt their name with the first B reversed. Jill (in a silly mood --- and I sure am glad that this thread is marked OT). > -Original Message- > From: Mark E. Shoulson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, Decembe

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Jill,   The dotted and dotless i are distinctly different, however I like to fold them when doing searches because I don't know of any cases where is would case search problems.  However if I am searching for Istanbul and what to include the dotted spelling as well.   Carl -Original M

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

Elaine Keown Hi, > I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I find myself > thinking that the swastika, THE Nazi swastika, right-facing, tilted .the whole deal, should be encoded This looks to me like the ideal place for an extended note in Unicode, not a code point. The note could descri

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

> As an analogy, albeit a rather silly one, if (in mathematics) I put a > dot over a (single-letter) variable name to indicate (say) first > derivative or something, I would have to put an /extra/ dot over i, > would I not? Does that not make it "conceptually" dotless, even though > it's render

Re: [OT] Euro-English (was: Corea?)

This is humorous, though I think I saw it some time ago. (For a Unicode audience we could also substitute some extended characters such as the eng for ng.) It does bring to mind that familiarity with an orthography - mainly through experience reading it - is the key to its usefulness. In looki

Re: [OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

On 12/15/03 11:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the runes though it isn't just double sigels that have the second mirrored, but all double letters. FWIW not only are the sources I learnt this from not reliable on the history of the Futhark, being concerned only with the modern occult use, but

Re: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

Philippe Verdy wrote: > I would have expected to find these mappings: > > 0130; F; 0069; # LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I > -> LATIN SMALL LETTER I > 0130; T; 0130; # LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I > -> LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I > > The rationale being that the locale-neutral mappings would not >

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Patrick Andries wrote: > Because according to the articles this was the original English > spelling before the occupying Japanese authorities changed the initial > C by a K so that Korea would follow Japan in alphabetical order. This seems very misguided, if true. Alphabetical primacy can hardl

[OT reversing letters to avoid offence] Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

Quoting "Mark E. Shoulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 12/15/03 08:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>Holocaust scholars wanting to encode German documents from the 1930s > >>and 1940s would want the double runic S encoded, since this was a > >>specific character found on type-writers of the era an

RE: Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

I sometimes wonder whether or not it was a wise choice to regard "LATIN SMALL LETTER I" and "LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I" as distinct. Too late to change it now, of course, but (with the benefit of hindsight) it occurs to me that if U+0069 had been regarded as dotless, all these problems woul

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

On 12/15/03 09:43, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: Is this like baseball scoreboards showing the third consecutive strikeout symbol (which is a K) reversed? Is that to avoid "KKK" or is it for another reason? Which of course begs the question of whether we should encode a "LATIN CAPITAL REVERSED K" c

[OT] Euro-English (was: Corea? (Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?)

Euro-English The EU announces changes to the spellings of common English words... European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the

Case mapping of dotless lowercase letters

I have a minor problem related to the case folding (for searches) of dotless lowercase letters, and I don't know why there's no case mapping defined for them, when performing full case folding (I have no problem for simple case mappings). We currently have these full mappings for uppercase letters

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

Mark E. Shoulson writes: [not encoding runic SS] > Really? Interesting. Do you have a reference? Google searches didn't > find anything useful. Is the discussion in the mailing-list archives? The (heated) discussion was on the unicore mailing list, whose archives are not publically available

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

On 12/15/03 07:54, Tom Emerson wrote: Holocaust scholars wanting to encode German documents from the 1930s and 1940s would want the double runic S encoded, since this was a specific character found on type-writers of the era and saw regular use. A proposal to encode this was shot down a few years

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

On 12/15/03 08:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holocaust scholars wanting to encode German documents from the 1930s and 1940s would want the double runic S encoded, since this was a specific character found on type-writers of the era and saw regular use. Would be a reasonable substitute? I me

RE: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

Patrick Andries writes: > De: "Don Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Although I admit to not quite understanding the motivation for this > > suggestion, > > Request by 22 MPs that want to modify the English spelling by law. Note that french has always written "Corée (la République de)": words that

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Holocaust scholars wanting to encode German documents from the 1930s > > and 1940s would want the double runic S encoded, since this was a > > specific character found on type-writers of the era and saw regular use. > > Would be a reasonable substitute? Yes, not on

non-breakable expandable space?

Hallo. Typesetting of Czech language has a special rule for single-letter prepositions: Space after this letter is not breakable, but if break does not occur, it is a subject of expansion (when typesetting justified text). Ordinarily software uses NBSP, but such text looks ugly, because NBSP has

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

> Holocaust scholars wanting to encode German documents from the 1930s > and 1940s would want the double runic S encoded, since this was a > specific character found on type-writers of the era and saw regular use. Would be a reasonable substitute? I mentioned that Sigel is avoided by some who u

Re: [OT] CJK -> CJC (Re: Corea?)

- Message d'origine - De: "Don Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Although I admit to not quite understanding the motivation for this > suggestion, Request by 22 MPs that want to modify the English spelling by law. Because according to the articles this was the original English spelling b

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Quoting "Mark E. Shoulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > However, now that you mention it, it is true that the stylized S used in > > the abbreviation for the SS was actually required in all fonts by the > > Nazi government, so by that reasoning it, at least, has some stan

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

> strikes me as a matter of squeamishness more than respect for those who "Squeamishness" isn't quite the right word, and is belittling; I can understand why some people would want the symbol off their computer.

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is said that one who ignores history is doomed to repeat it. George Santayana (1863-1952) actually said: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (from "Life of Reason I"). Or, we might consider that the same characters used to represent holy b

Re: [Fwd: Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?]

Quoting "Mark E. Shoulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > However, now that you mention it, it is true that the stylized S used in > the abbreviation for the SS was actually required in all fonts by the > Nazi government, so by that reasoning it, at least, has some standing > for being encoded (though I c

Re: Swastika to be banned by Microsoft?

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:39:23 -0500 (EST), Thomas Chan wrote: > > The entry for U+534D in the _Hanyu Da Zidian_, vol. 1, p. 51 (as indicated > in unihan.txt) includes a quote that it was originally not a Han > character, "wan ben fei zi ...", suggesting that it now is. There are > also serifs show