On 9/11/2013 9:50 PM, Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
One final remark: Thinking about it I have the impression that the
blackletter vs. antiqua distinction once made in German very much
resembles that made between Hiragana and Katakana in Japanese. In both
cases the underlying systems of the correspon
On 2013-09-11, Whistler, Ken wrote:
[ lots ]
Thank you for that explanation!
> Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th edition) (WG2 N4459)
> http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13151-n4459.pdf
Interesting. I see that disunification of the remaining IPA greek
letters is proceeding
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:50:23 +0200, Charlie Ruland ☘
wrote:
One final remark: Thinking about it I have the impression that the blackletter
vs. antiqua distinction once made in German very much resembles that made
between Hiragana and Katakana in Japanese. In both cases the underlying systems
On 9/12/2013 1:36 AM, Gerrit Ansmann wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:50:23 +0200, Charlie Ruland ☘
wrote:
One final remark: Thinking about it I have the impression that the
blackletter vs. antiqua distinction once made in German very much
resembles that made between Hiragana and Katakana in Ja
On 12 Sep 2013, at 09:07, Julian Bradfield wrote:
> On 2013-09-11, Whistler, Ken wrote:
>
> [ lots ]
>
> Thank you for that explanation!
>
>> Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th edition) (WG2 N4459)
>> http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13151-n4459.pdf
>
> Interesting. I se
On 2013-09-12, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2013, at 09:07, Julian Bradfield wrote:
>> Interesting. I see that disunification of the remaining IPA greek letters is
>> proceeding by stealth -
>
> No, Julian. It's by design. Only theta remains.
Hm, that's not what the comments in some of t
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:29:51 +0200, Hans Aberg wrote:
... The symbol for the empty set ∅ is originally a Greek letter phi ϕ,
ans some use the latter.
According to the autobiography of André Weil, quoted at
http://jeff560.tripod.com/set.html, the empty set symbol ∅ was inspired by
the Sca
2013/9/12 Michael Everson
> On 12 Sep 2013, at 09:07, Julian Bradfield
> wrote:
> No, just theta. The bizarrely-names Latin ʊ is already in use by the
> Association.
>
I wonder when the IPA will start borrowing new symbols from Cyrillic,
Coptic, Cherokee, or even from Hebrew (Aleph is already w
I have been able to compress all lower-, upper- and titlecase
mappings, simple and extended (no conditions yet) of Unicode 6.2
into a 260 entry binary search array.
I'm not with this project at the moment, but looking at the
alloc/Pipeline.html it *could* be that those few characters alone
will add
Steffen "Daode" Nurpmeso wrote:
|I have been able to compress all lower-, upper- and titlecase
|mappings, simple and extended (no conditions yet) of Unicode 6.2
|into a 260 entry binary search array.
Aaeh, to clarify this -- this thing covers the simple mappings (if
any; i.e., there may be onl
On 12/09/13 11:26, Johan Winge wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:29:51 +0200, Hans Aberg
wrote:
... The symbol for the empty set ∅ is originally a Greek letter phi
ϕ, ans some use the latter.
According to the autobiography of André Weil, quoted at
http://jeff560.tripod.com/set.html, the empty
Le 12/09/2013 14:21, Neil Harris a écrit :
On 12/09/13 11:26, Johan Winge wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:29:51 +0200, Hans Aberg
wrote:
... The symbol for the empty set ∅ is originally a Greek letter phi
ϕ, ans some use the latter.
According to the autobiography of André Weil, quoted at
ht
On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:04, Julian Bradfield wrote:
>>> we have latin chi thanks to German dialectologists, and latin beta thanks
>>> to Gabonese. My question is, why should they not be used for IPA ?
>>
>> I think they should. I will be taking this up with the Association.
>
> Then we have the
On 2013-09-12, Michael Everson wrote:
> Further clarification on this point was published in
> http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n4296.pdf
Thanks, that rather more than answers everything...
>> Somehow I hadn't noticed that ʋ was there - and also bizarrely named, since
>> as PSG observes,
Le 11/09/2013 21:35, Whistler, Ken a écrit :
The two currently relevant documents are:
Draft repertoire for FDAM2 of ISO/IEC 10646:2012 (3rd edition) (WG2 N4458):
http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2013/13150-n4458.pdf
and
Draft additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th edition) (WG2 N4459)
Talking about which ...
I confess I usually type a Danish Ø for convenience when I'm using this, though
for publication I would tend to substitute the proper ∅.
Whenever I saw the empty set symbol in printed math literature in
Germany, it closely resembled Ø; I don't think I ever saw a
struck-
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 01:21:28PM +0100, Neil Harris wrote:
> On 12/09/13 11:26, Johan Winge wrote:
> >On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:29:51 +0200, Hans Aberg
> > wrote:
> >
> >>... The symbol for the empty set ∅ is originally a Greek letter
> >>phi ϕ, ans some use the latter.
> >
> >According to the autob
Under Subject: Re: Why blackletter letters?
2013-09-12 20:20, Stephan Stiller wrote:
Talking about which ...
I confess I usually type a Danish Ø for convenience when I'm using
this, though for publication I would tend to substitute the proper ∅.
Whenever I saw the empty set symbol in printed m
Regarding the empty set, the page
http://jeff560.tripod.com/set.html
rather convincingly attributes the symbol to André Weil, who says
that it was inspired by the Norwegian letter “Ø”.
Well, if one looks at earlier editions of the "Éléments", the symbol is
clearly not printed as circ
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:30:47 +0200
Frédéric Grosshans wrote:
> However, this character 12399 is absent from the ballot, which stops
> the additions in the cuneiform block at 12398. What is the rational
> for omitting this character ? Stability with "legacy" encoding (i.e.
> pre-unicode 7) ?
I s
I confess I usually type a Danish Ø for convenience when I'm
using this, though for publication I would tend to substitute
the proper ∅.
Whenever I saw the empty set symbol in printed math literature in
Germany, it closely resembled Ø; I don't think I ever saw a
stru
Julian,
> > 028A is ʊ LATIN SMALL LETTER UPSILON
> > 028B is ʋ LATIN SMALL LETTER V WITH HOOK
> >
> > These are used for different sounds. I'm not sure that either name is
> particularly bizarre.
>
> I know what they *mean*.
> The name "V WITH HOOK" is strange because there is no hook in ʋ, in
>
On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:26, Johan Winge wrote:
> According to the autobiography of André Weil, quoted at
> http://jeff560.tripod.com/set.html, the empty set symbol ∅ was inspired by
> the Scandinavian Ø, and would then have nothing to do with the Greek phi,
> except for a superficial resemblance
CLDR v24 is scheduled to be released next week (2013-09-18). While the LDML
specification (http://unicode.org/repos/cldr/trunk/specs/ldml/tr35.html)
and release note (http://cldr.unicode.org/index/downloads/cldr-24) are
still being worked on, we'd welcome feedback on any major problems in the
tex
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 09:06:54PM +0300, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> >And below the university level Germans
> >write { }, which I like better.
> The notation { } is quite correct.
IMO, in math texts the correctness is significantly less important
than being not ambiguous. (It is practically impo
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Whistler, Ken wrote:
> Basically, everything you need to know can be culled from the relevant
> UnicodeData.txt entries:
>
> 01B2;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V WITH HOOK;Lu;0;L;N;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER
> SCRIPT V;;;028B;
> 028B;LATIN SMALL LETTER V WITH HOOK;Ll;0;L;;;
Typo in section 2.3 "Number Symbols", for the new item
"superscriptingExponent" which describes:
"The superscripting can use markup, such as 4 in HTML, (...)"
Of course this is "4"
2013/9/13 John Emmons
> CLDR v24 is scheduled to be released next week (2013-09-18). While the
> LDML specificati
The notation { } is quite correct. It just isn’t an atomic symbol for
the empty set but an expression consisting of the two characters “{”
and “}”, with a list (here, an empty list) of elements between them.
Reminds me of typographically composite stuff that has its own scalar
value ("code point
The situation with {} is very similar to the situation with 0̸ for
the empty set and with \ for set subtraction. The Knuth's version of TeX
was designed for typesetting his books, and he (probably) did not
encounter situations where the meaning of these symbols is ambiguous.
When AMS was design
2013/9/13 Stephan Stiller
> Again, I agree with what you write, but "…" has always been a bit of a
> mystery to me. I guess in the US-American (sub?)tradition where (some?)
> authorities ask for spaced-out
> . . .
> . . . .
> for ellipsis (with truly bizarre rules about which to choose in
Hi Philippe,
I disagree. For me your "spaced-out ellipsis" (". . .") is not an
ellipsis but are horizontal rulers (typically used in tables or input
forms) to facilitate the reading of tabular data.
I disagree with CMOS prescription in this case, just as you do, but the
prescription exists, na
2013/9/13 Stephan Stiller
> Hi Philippe,
>
> If you want to use the ellipsis to mark something that has been truncated
> at end or start of a sentence, you normally put them betwen parentheses or
> braces, i.e. "(...)." at end of a truncated sentence or ". (...)" at start
> of the next truncated
2013/9/13 Stephan Stiller
> Hi Philippe,
>
> [...] EXCEPT if theses dots are separated by extra spaces (larger than
> the extra inter-letter spacing on the same line, in case of justification
> in a column of text between fixed left and right margins)
>
> Now *that* is a *good* argument for pr
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