Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-16 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke Dashjr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: As David pointed out, currency symbols really aren’t an analogy to anything else. They are never built from combining characters, and are never decomposable to them. This has nothing really to do with TTS or pronunciation. One person in the Ubuntu

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-15 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:32:12 AM Philippe Verdy wrote: But is your subnet really declared with a stable IP range within a *secured* whois or DNS database? Contact your ISP to get a stable IP range or have it declared instead of being within the same shared block (may be they will want you

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-15 Thread David Starner
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Luke Dashjr l...@dashjr.org wrote: On Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:27:56 PM David Starner wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Luke Dashjr l...@dashjr.org wrote: Does Unicode give any relevance to non-visual rendering, or do TTS just need to settle for

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-15 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:50:13 PM Doug Ewell wrote: And in the other example, one is B with double lines vs bitcoins. As David pointed out, currency symbols really aren’t an analogy to anything else. They are never built from combining characters, and are never decomposable to them.

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke Dashjr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: That is, 100 decimal is one hundred with a binary value of 110 0100. But the same 100 in tonal would be san with a binary value of 1 . 100 with the meaning of one hundred is spoken as ciento in Spanish, ekatón in Greek, sto in Russian, etc.

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-14 Thread David Starner
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Luke Dashjr l...@dashjr.org wrote: Does Unicode give any relevance to non-visual rendering, or do TTS just need to settle for environmental hints (eg, the user explicitly telling it tonal numbers are in use)? How do you tell a chemist from the general populace?

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-14 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:27:56 PM David Starner wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Luke Dashjr l...@dashjr.org wrote: Does Unicode give any relevance to non-visual rendering, or do TTS just need to settle for environmental hints (eg, the user explicitly telling it tonal numbers

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-14 Thread Philippe Verdy
2015-03-14 17:17 GMT+01:00 Luke Dashjr l...@dashjr.org: P.S. Can someone disable (or soften) Spamhaus RBL for the Unicode mailing list (and/or private email servers for some of those CC'd)? Spamhaus has recently been abusing their RBL for putting political pressure on entire ISPs including

Re: CSUR Tonal

2015-03-14 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Friday, August 06, 2010 9:02:39 AM Andrew West wrote: Looking at the examples shown on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Nystrom, it seems to me that 0-8 are ordinary digits, and the symbols for 9 through 15 are inverted or inverted+modified forms of the digits '7' through '1', so that

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-06 Thread Andrew West
On 6 August 2010 05:14, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: What makes this troublesome for me is that, on the one hand, there are the perfectly ordinary-looking 0 through 8, and on the other hand there are the invented digits for 9 and 11 through 15, and then in the middle there's this

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-06 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-08-06 11.02, skrev Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com: On 6 August 2010 05:14, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: What makes this troublesome for me is that, on the one hand, there are the perfectly ordinary-looking 0 through 8, and on the other hand there are the invented digits

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-06 Thread André Szabolcs Szelp
Looking at the examples shown on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Nystrom, it seems to me that 0-8 are ordinary digits, and the symbols for 9 through 15 are inverted or inverted+modified forms of the digits '7' through '1', so that there is some sort of imperfect bilateral symmetry on the

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-06 Thread Andrew West
On 6 August 2010 11:03, Kent Karlsson kent.karlsso...@telia.com wrote: Den 2010-08-06 11.02, skrev Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com: Looking at the examples shown on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Nystrom, it seems to me that 0-8 are ordinary digits, and the symbols for 9 through 15

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-05 Thread Doug Ewell
Kent Karlsson kent dot karlsson14 at telia dot com wrote: I see absolutely no point in reencoding the digits 0-9 even though 9 is (strangely) used to denote the value that is usually denoted 10. That is just a (very strange) usage, not different characters from the ordinary 0-9. I suggested

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-04 Thread Kent Karlsson
I see absolutely no point in reencoding the digits 0-9 even though 9 is (strangely) used to denote the value that is usually denoted 10. That is just a (very strange) usage, not different characters from the ordinary 0-9. /kent k Den 2010-08-02 19.54, skrev Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org:

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-04 Thread Luke-Jr
On Wednesday, August 04, 2010 04:06:10 pm Kent Karlsson wrote: I see absolutely no point in reencoding the digits 0-9 even though 9 is (strangely) used to denote the value that is usually denoted 10. That is just a (very strange) usage, not different characters from the ordinary 0-9. Well, I

RE: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-04 Thread Doug Ewell
Kent Karlsson kent dot karlsson14 at telia dot com wrote: I see absolutely no point in reencoding the digits 0-9 even though 9 is (strangely) used to denote the value that is usually denoted 10. That is just a (very strange) usage, not different characters from the ordinary 0-9. I suggested

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-04 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-08-05 00.20, skrev Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org: Kent Karlsson kent dot karlsson14 at telia dot com wrote: I see absolutely no point in reencoding the digits 0-9 even though 9 is (strangely) used to denote the value that is usually denoted 10. That is just a (very strange) usage,

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-02 Thread Luke-Jr
I've copied an updated draft proposal to: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/tonal.html I believe I have addressed all of the suggestions raised to my earlier draft. Please let me know what you all think. Thanks, Luke

RE: CSUR Tonal

2010-08-02 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke-Jr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: I've copied an updated draft proposal to: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/tonal.html I believe I have addressed all of the suggestions raised to my earlier draft. Please let me know what you all think. If it were up to me, which it is not, I

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-31 Thread Kent Karlsson
Since no-one else seems to have responded to Luke... Den 2010-07-30 22.09, skrev Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org: This isn't about them not looking *exactly* the same, it's about these existing modifiers being inconsistent with each other in visibly noticable ways. That is most certainly a font

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-31 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke-Jr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: This isn't about them not looking *exactly* the same, it's about these existing modifiers being inconsistent with each other in visibly noticable ways. Nor are these characters mere styling that should require rich-text (including changing fonts) to

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-26 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2010-07-26 02.48, skrev Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org: superscript letters S, T, b, m, r, s, and t. [...] ... Imagine my surprise, then, when I found that these superscripts are not formally encoded (only i and n are). [...] There are more superscripted letters than i and n that are

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-26 Thread Doug Ewell
Luke-Jr luke at dashjr dot org wrote: These are not really combining marks; they appear to be nothing more than ordinary Latin superscript letters. As such, I would suggest not only that the multiplication and division superscripts be unified with each other, but that they be unified with

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-26 Thread Luke-Jr
On Monday, July 26, 2010 09:55:30 am Doug Ewell wrote: A superscript letter, representing the multiplier or divisor, before or after the base unit would be plain text. In my experimenting with fonts, I also noticed that the Unicode superscripts mentioned by Kent have a lower floor from that

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-25 Thread Luke-Jr
I would appreciate any constructive input on this future proposal (for CSUR, not Unicode). Doug, do you mind if Tonal is positioned after your Ewellic script (maybe you plan to extend it?) from U+E6D0 to U+E6FF? Specific questions I have: - Am I using COMBINING correctly? Is it sufficient for

Re: CSUR Tonal

2010-07-25 Thread Doug Ewell
I don't know if this belongs on the public Unicode list or not. I assume anyone who feels it should not will not keep their feelings secret for long. Luke-Jr wrote: I would appreciate any constructive input on this future proposal (for CSUR, not Unicode). Doug, do you mind if Tonal is