Re: Request for Information

On 7/24/2014 10:45 AM, Whistler, Ken wrote: Fantasai asked: I would like to request that Unicode include, for each writing system it encodes, some information on how it might justify. Following up on the comment and examples provided by Richard Wordingham, I'd like to emphasize a relevant

Re: Request for Information

On 7/25/2014 8:49 AM, fantasai wrote: On 07/24/2014 06:45 PM, Whistler, Ken wrote: Fantasai asked: I would like to request that Unicode include,*for each writing system it ** **encodes*, some information on how it might justify. Following up on the comment and examples provided by Richard

Re: What happened to...?

On 9/19/2014 5:38 PM, Whistler, Ken wrote: Michael, Declines to take action” is pretty thin. A proposal which is declined by the UTC doesn't automatically create an obligation to write an extended dissertation explaining the rationale and putting that rationale on record. It might be one

Re: fonts for U7.0 scripts

On 10/22/2014 12:29 PM, Andrew West wrote: should not the font be made freely available at the end of the project? The policy requires that a license is given to produce the charts and related documents. No more, no less. This allows people and organizations to donate a free license for use

Re: fonts for U7.0 scripts

Peter is correct. The only fonts that should be released to the public are those that are Unicode encoded and have the correct shaping tables. Unlike the public, the code chart editors for Unicode have tools that can correctly handle not only ASCII-hacked fonts as well as PUA-assigned

Re: Code charts and code points

On 10/24/2014 9:01 AM, Michel Suignard wrote: I know for a fact (because I did it and just verified), that the font used for those codes use the real UCS code. The conversion happens in the PDF embedding magic. I could look into it, but I have no easy to debug the Adobe Distiller path here.

emoji are clearly the current meme fad

Everybody wants in on the act: http://mashable.com/2014/12/12/bill-nye-evolution-emoji/ A./ ___ Unicode mailing list Unicode@unicode.org http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/unicode

Re: Admuncher javascript on Unicode site

Neil, I don't think that is true for anyone but you. The ghostery add-on for FF does not show anything being loaded, and the page source also does not included the string admuncher. Is this an add-on that you are using? A./ On 12/25/2014 6:14 AM, Neil Harris wrote: I've just noticed that

Re: Unicode encoding policy

On 12/29/2014 10:32 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote: The critical mass of support is now assumed for currency symbols, some special symbols like emoji, and should be granted to additional types of symbols, punctuations and letters, whenever there is an authority that controls

sex and emoji

To quote: "While this probably isn’t news to fans of the eggplant emoji, " More here: http://time.com/3694763/match-com-dating-survey-emoji-sex/ A./ ___ Unicode mailing list

Re: Plain text (from Re: Avoidance variants)

On 3/26/2015 8:18 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: Blocks of boring plain text, no italics or effects any more complex than justification, simple notes written all in one font with no formatting to speak of etc. I am wondering if it is

Re: Origin of the digital encoding of accented characters for Esperanto

On 3/23/2015 10:44 AM, Ken Whistler wrote: And the question, instead, then becomes tracking down through the ancient history of JTC1/SC2/WG3 (-- Note *3*, not *2*), why the participants who drafted 8859-3 felt it was important to include the Esperanto letters in the repertoire for the South

Re: Square Brackets with Tick

On 8/22/2015 2:47 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: But codepoints are normally orderly until they enter the ISO approval process. Thereafter, disorder creeps in, and becomes ever more likely as blocks fill up Haha, good one. . The

Re: Emoji characters for food allergens

On 7/28/2015 8:07 AM, Richard Cook wrote: On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Richard Cook rscook at wenlin dot com wrote: And, what is the emotion playfully expressed by  ? "I'm

Re: Uranian Astrology Symbols

On 2/6/2016 6:11 AM, David Faulks wrote: Hello, I'm investigating the possibility of adding more astrology symbols to Unicode. There is a branch of Western Astrology known as ‘Uranium Astrology’, or the ‘Hamburg School’, which among other things uses a set of 8

Re: Uranian Astrology Symbols

On 2/7/2016 1:02 PM, Chris Jacobs wrote: David Faulks schreef op 2016-02-07 21:20: If the members of this mailing list think a proposal including a separate Eris symbol is acceptable, I will include it in my proposal. Along with, perhaps, some additional symbols... A./ David Seems

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

On 3/10/2016 5:49 PM, "J. S. Choi" wrote: One thing about NamesList.txt is that, as far as I have been able to tell, it’s the only machine-readable, parseable source of those annotations and cross-references. There are explanations about character use that are only maintained in the PDF of

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

On 3/28/2016 4:59 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: The listing has both the block name and the Nameslist subhead label in listing characters. One can also use the subhead labels in filtering, eg http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=\p{subhead=Archaic%20letters}

Re: Bengla syllables <... 09BF 09BE> and <... 09BF 09C0>

On 2/7/2017 10:08 AM, Eric Muller wrote: In looking at the wiki{pedia,book.source,tionary} corpus for Bengla, I see a relatively large number of syllables with  <... 09BF 09BE> or <... 09BF 09C0>. I checked a couple of sources, and I did not find them

Re: Pagus symbol

The examples show a series of symbols. They seem designed to show not only the putative "pagus" but a number of other classifications as well. It would seem to be a mistake to single out just one of them, unless that one symbol is used as the only one in selected

Re: Misspelling or Miscoding?

On 1/18/2017 12:35 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Richard Wordingham wrote: I think it is not a 'typographical error' if it renders as it should! What if it renders correctly on some systems but not on others? I do see your point, though. Writing systems that permit different spellings of the same

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

On 1/15/2017 8:46 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:18:01 +0100 (CET), I wrote: I believe that an outdated typeface, as is actually Times New Roman, is inappropriate for the Unicode Mail Archives. Iʼve been kindly

Re: Misspelling or Miscoding?

allow both, but not simultaneously (by allowing only one member of each minimal pair to be registered, which one is decided by the order of application). A./ On 1/19/2017 12:45 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:24:21 -0800 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: The sequence of chara

Re: Misspelling or Miscoding?

On 1/19/2017 5:04 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:25:14 -0800 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Now I'm thinking your focus was more on cases the like two Khmer subjoined consonant sequences: U+17D2 U+178A ្ដ KHMER CONSONANT SIGN COENG DA U+

Re: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

On 11/6/2016 2:22 PM, David Starner wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:42 AM David Faulks wrote: There is another issue of course, which I think could be a

Re: Bidi: inserting Japanese paragraphs in Arabic/Farsi document

Can we get that example with actual code points, for testing? A./

Re: Bidi: inserting Japanese paragraphs in Arabic/Farsi document

test page. Use some random Arabic or Japanese words if you prefer. 2016-11-21 22:40 GMT+01:00 Asmus Freytag (c) <asm...@ix.netcom.com <mailto:asm...@ix.netcom.com>>: On 11/21/2016 1:17 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: Examples were in the initial po

Re: Manatee emoji?

On 11/23/2016 11:44 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Leonardo Boiko wrote: I support the creation of manatee emoji, but only if it’s accompanied by a new modifier for emoji size, coming in the varieties: TINY, SMALL, LARGE, HUGE. This would allow us to say "oh, the [HUGE MANATEE]" in emoji. Leonardo

Re: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

On 11/15/2016 9:22 AM, Peter Constable wrote: Klingon _should not_ be encoded so long as there are open IP issues. For that reason, I think it would be premature to place it in the roadmap.

Re: Amiguity(?) in Sinhala named sequences

On 10/17/2016 7:58 AM, Martin Jansche wrote: Thanks for the pointer to the 2011 version of SLS 1134. After reading that and discussing further with Cibu, here's a tentative proposal: * The most logical[*] interpretation of

Re: Amiguity(?) in Sinhala named sequences

This is an interesting question. It seems the task of parsing a text into sequences depends on the purpose. Not all sequences of interest are named and, in the general case, not all attempts at parsing may be unique. In this case, it looks like the named sequences would correspond to a

Re: Specification of Encoding of Plain Text

no simpler). Mark On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Asmus Fr

Re: Specification of Encoding of Plain Text

On 1/13/2017 9:47 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:34:48 -0800 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: I believe that any attempt to define a "regex" that describes *all legal text* in a given script is a-priori doomed to failure. Part of the problem

Re: Specification of Encoding of Plain Text

On 1/10/2017 12:44 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:06:05 -0800 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: On 1/9/2017 2:24 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: I'll take your last point first. One might hope that the subsection about 'logical order' in TUS 9.0 Secti

Re: Specification of Encoding of Plain Text

On 1/10/2017 2:54 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:12:47 -0800 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Unicode clearly doesn't forbid most sequences in complex scripts, even if they cannot be expected to render properly and otherwise would stump the native

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

On 1/9/2017 1:39 PM, Marcel Schneider wrote: Iʼm saddened to have fallen into a monologue. Thus Iʼll quickly debrief the arguments opposed so far, to check whether Iʼm missing some point There's a good reason for that. You are advocating something

Re: Specification of Encoding of Plain Text

I believe that any attempt to define a "regex" that describes *all legal text* in a given script is a-priori doomed to failure. Part of the problem is that writing systems work not unlike human grammars in a curious mixture of pretty firm rules coupled to lists of exceptions. (Many texts by

Re: Specification of Encoding of Plain Text

On 1/9/2017 2:24 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: Where, if anywhere, is the encoding of plain text specified? I am particularly concerned with the arrangement of the code sequences for non-spacing abstract characters once one has determined an encoding for the

Re: a character for an unknown character

On 12/28/2016 5:47 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:33:32 -0800 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: When it comes to marks (or symbols) of less generic or more complex shapes, the presumption that the mark only has "one" shape may be more comm

Re: a character for an unknown character

On 12/30/2016 4:37 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 01:23:55 +0100 (CET) Marcel Schneider <charupd...@orange.fr> wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:05:17 -0800, Asmus Freytag wrote: On 12/28/2016 5:47 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: U+02BC being shifted from a

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

On 1/3/2017 4:24 PM, Marcel Schneider wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:31:42 +0100, Christoph Päper wrote: Among the possibilities, you include Unicode subscripts. Just for the sake of completeness. This tends to conclude that preformatted subscripts are really an option here. Not so. You

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

On 1/4/2017 4:33 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: What I complain of as not mentioned in the Standard, is that U+2044 can be used with superscript and subscript digits, rather than ASCII digits. Almost any character(s) in Unicode "can be" used with almost any

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

On 1/5/2017 3:33 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: If Arial Unicode MS is used (though it is no longer a part of new Windows versions), it really looks exactly like preformatted fractions in the same font. But I can understand that denominators are meant to align on

Re: Superscript and Subscript Characters in General Use

On 1/5/2017 9:42 PM, Marcel Schneider wrote: Nevertheless, the user might prioritize the stability of the document when it comes to plain text, and he could be interested in a better-looking display of letters that elsewhere should be superscripted. Here, the

Re: a character for an unknown character

On 12/27/2016 8:03 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: On 27/12/16 01:11, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 19:31:28 +0200 "Jukka K. Korpela" wrote: […] If some graphic symbol is by convention used to represent a lacuna, then the issue, as regards to Unicode, is simply whether that

Re: Emoji as Art

On 12/28/2016 6:23 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: I have been looking again at the images in the http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/emoji_installation_at_MoMA.htm web page with a view to trying to write more about the installation. I noticed that, although the images of the emoji are in

Re: Encoding of old compatibility characters

On 3/28/2017 4:00 AM, Ian Clifton wrote: I’ve used ⏨ a couple of times, without explanation, in my own emails—without, as far as I’m aware, causing any misunderstanding. Works especially well, whenever it renders as a box with 23E8 inscribed!

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/28/2017 6:56 AM, Michael Everson wrote: An æ ligature is a ligature of a and of e. It is not some sort of pretzel. We need a pretzel emoji. A./

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/26/2017 1:51 PM, Michael Everson wrote: Finally, if this was in major, modern use, adding these code points would have grave consequences for security. Why? They’re not visually similar to the existing characters. So spoofing wouldn’t be

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/26/2017 9:20 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 26 Mar 2017, at 16:45, Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: The priority in encoding has to be with allowing distinctions in modern texts, or distinctions that matter to modern users of historic writing systems. Beyond that, theor

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/26/2017 9:23 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 26 Mar 2017, at 17:02, Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: On 3/26/2017 6:18 AM, Michael Everson wrote: In any case it’s not a disunification. Some characters are encoded; they were used to write diphthongs in 1855. These char

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/26/2017 10:33 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 26 Mar 2017, at 18:20, Doug Ewell wrote: Michael Everson wrote: One practical consequence of changing the chart glyphs now, for instance, would be that it would invalidate every existing Deseret font. Adding new characters

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/26/2017 6:18 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 26 Mar 2017, at 10:07, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: I tend to agree with Martin, Philippe and others in questioning the disunification. You may, but you give no evidence or discussion about it, so... In any case it’s not a

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/26/2017 8:47 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 26 Mar 2017, at 16:45, Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: The latter is patent nonsense, because ä and aͤ are even less related to each other than "i" and "j"; never mind the fact that their forms ar

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

On 3/25/2017 3:15 PM, David Starner wrote: On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 9:17 AM Michael Everson wrote: And we *can* distinguish i and j in that Latin text, because

Re: Standaridized variation sequences for the Desert alphabet?

Martin, thanks for the careful summary. As in all these cases it is possible to argue from different premises, so I would, unfortunately, not expect that this discussion will reach the consensus of all parties. In the end, Unicode is made for the modern user, whether they are native users

Re: Unicode Emoji 5.0 characters now final

On 3/29/2017 2:07 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Ken Whistler wrote: *But*, the ones who do have flags on their phones don't want to be in the situation where the iPhone has a flag of Scotland which then shows up as a flag tofu on an Android phone, but an Android phone has a flag of Texas which then

Re: U+0261 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCRIPT G

On 3/28/2017 10:26 AM, Frédéric Grosshans wrote: I don't think it is a script capital G, but I admit it is arguable. One of the reasons is that the related variables s and μ are not script capital. If you're interested, I could check in the

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/3/2017 4:30 PM, Michael Everson wrote: The next question would be whether the alternation in background is best expressed in variation sequences or by some other means. I think the value in the data structures I have described is best

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/3/2017 5:12 AM, Michael Everson wrote: I'm not convinced that it is. A player starts with two non-interchangeable bishops. could only refer the white bishop that is restricted to black squares. That's a semantic difference.

Re: Combining Class of Thai Nonspacing_Marks

On 4/3/2017 12:12 AM, Gerriet M. Denkmann wrote: The Combining Class is used for normalisation of strings. Normalisation of strings is important for filenames in filesystems. The same issues apply to network identifiers. As far as I know, a Thai consonant (Lo, Other_Letter) can have several

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/3/2017 5:42 AM, Michael Everson wrote: Read to the end. On 2 Apr 2017, at 19:43, Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: It's a matter of perspective. Higher-level semantic constructs are encoded in writing (or graphic notation), and you can see the individual marks, signs, l

Re: Encoding of old compatibility characters

On 4/4/2017 7:58 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: From: Otto Stolz Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 15:21:02 +0200 Am 31.03.2017 um 09:57 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: Arial Unicode MS supports that character [U+23E8], FWIW.

Re: Combining Class of Thai Nonspacing_Marks

On 4/3/2017 7:39 PM, Gerriet M. Denkmann wrote: Is anybody working on or is responsible for these things? Kind regards, Please read my earlier reply A./

Re: Unicode Emoji 5.0 characters now final

On 3/31/2017 3:38 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: What's wrong with "other" or "additional" in contrast to "recommended" or "preferred"? Or is the intent really to say "don't use these"? People coming from the IETF background (that is, anyone familiar with how

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/2/2017 9:27 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: We seem to agree that it should be a graphic modification, rather than as semantic modification. The question I pose is, "Is it just a graphic modification in this case?". I'm not convinced that it is. A player

Re: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation

On 4/6/2017 11:21 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: If "text presentations" have to be monochrome, as Asmus claims, While it appears possible, after Khaled's demonstration, I still think that the use of "white ink" instead of the "white" parts

Re: Encoding of old compatibility characters

I have got MS Word 2002 and MS Excel 2000. Maybe, later versions bring an amended version of Arial Unicode MS. Maybe. A./

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/5/2017 7:49 AM, Michael Everson wrote: A piece with a *white* background is different to a piece that is merely an outline, whether filled or not. I don’t think I can consider your comments to be

Re: PETSCII mapping?

On 4/5/2017 4:49 PM, James Kass wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote, There's no need for inflammatory rhetoric. Indeed not. How fortunate we are that nobody has posted any. Indeed. Grabbed the wrong item from my word bin today. A./ Best regards, James Kass

Re: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation

On 4/5/2017 5:14 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 5 Apr 2017, at 23:16, Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Do you have any examples of plain text that is rendered with parts of characters having white (opaque) background? I'm not aware of any There are certainly MSS (in many lan

Re: Coloured Punctuation and Annotation

:16 -0700 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: On 4/5/2017 1:10 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: A piece with a *white* background is different to a piece that is merely an outline, whether filled or not. Unless you select an 'emoji_presentation' you do not get two-toned glyphs, the

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/8/2017 12:20 PM, Michael Everson wrote: I can quote your own message just posted 3 hours ago? YOU REALLY USED the term "game" and wanted developers to use fonts for them. Please learn to read. Time for Sarasvati to pull the

Re: "A Programmer's Introduction to Unicode"

On 3/13/2017 3:31 AM, Janusz S. Bien wrote: Just yet another reason for introducing the notion of textel? The main difference between "textel" and "pixel" is that the unit of processing /displaying text is not uniform and fixed,

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/3/2017 12:33 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: If the variation selectors are ignored, these simplify to: white square hatched square specific piece This preserves all the information; the pattern of squares is known in advance and therefore redundant.

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/3/2017 3:28 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:48:31 +0100 Michael Everson wrote: Yes, this is what I’ve proposed. I was explaining it to Asmus and others with similar misunderstandings.

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/7/2017 4:33 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 8 Apr 2017, at 00:28, Rebecca T <637...@gmail.com> wrote: while evidently there are users who need to send BROCCOLI to one another, nobody but nobody needs to send an 8 x 8 chessboard matrix in a tweet. Get it? I simply must disagree; sending a

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

On 4/5/2017 1:10 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:33:55 +0100 Richard Wordingham <richard.wording...@ntlworld.com> wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 10:43:39 -0700 Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: The basic text elements in the scheme other than boun

Re: PETSCII mapping?

On 4/5/2017 1:18 AM, Elias Mårtenson wrote: I have been searching, trying to find some information as to why there is a large set of symbols in PETSCII which cannot be mapped to Unicode. PETSCII is the character set used by

Re: Combining Class of Thai Nonspacing_Marks

On 4/4/2017 9:37 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: You may wish to note that it can be very hard to tell the difference between U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS and U+2013 EN DASH in file names. Or try LATIN SMALL LETTER I followed by COMBINING DOT ABOVE... A./

Re: ZWNBSP vs. WJ (was: How is NBH (U0083) Implemented?)

The ambiguity of an initial FEFF was not desirable, but this discussion shows that certain things can't be so easily fixed by adding characters at a later stage. The more time elapsed between encoding of the ambiguous character and the later fix the more software, the more data, and the more

Re: Suggestion for new dingbats/symbols

I think that research that does precisely this kind of task of correlating symbol repertoires against each other is extremely valuable in its own right. Additional research that documents the usage of these symbols -- in computing environments -- would also be useful. Reliable facts on users

Re: Suggestion for new dingbats/symbols

luck. A./ -Original Message- From: Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk Sent: May 31, 2013 1:23 PM To: Asmus Freytag (w) asm...@ix.netcom.com Cc: “unicode“ Discussion unicode@unicode.org, Dreiheller,Albrecht albrecht.dreihel...@siemens.com Subject: Re: Suggestion for new dingbats/symbols

Re: Meroitic cursive fractions numerical values

Unless there is a value in documenting the value of the numerator and denominator, in which case this should be prominently explained in the documentation. Or is that written down somewhere already? A./ On 3/28/2015 1:05 PM, Karl Williamson wrote: In the 8.0 Beta files, some numerical

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

On 3/30/2015 1:54 PM, Hans Aberg wrote: On 30 Mar 2015, at 00:49, Asmus Freytag (t) asmus-...@ix.netcom.com wrote: It would be worth to bring the collection of music symbols up to a more comprehensive set in one go, rather than to do it piecemeal. There is a similar issue to that of the math

Re: Plain text (from Re: Avoidance variants)

On 3/28/2015 5:48 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: If a two word phrase were to be typeset within a plain text file then each letter of the two words would need to have an instance of the COMBINING ITALICIZER after each letter of the word. Would one add an instance after the space character

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

On 3/29/2015 2:39 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 29 Mar 2015, at 22:02, Garth Wallace gwa...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be easier just to change the example glyphs for U+1D132 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE SHARP and U+1D133 MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER TONE FLAT? The ones currently in the charts do

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp

It would be worth to bring the collection of music symbols up to a more comprehensive set in one go, rather than to do it piecemeal. A./ On 3/29/2015 3:07 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: That’s quite some variety. There are also the three-quarter flat and sharp in Western music to consider. I’ll

Re: Plain text (from Re: Avoidance variants)

On 3/27/2015 6:00 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: So, if that were implemented, then to typeset, say, the word astrolabe within a plain text file, in italics, one would need to use nine instances of the COMBINING ITALICIZER, one instance after each letter of the word astrolabe. That

Re: Avoidance variants

On 3/25/2015 10:14 PM, Jonathan Rosenne wrote: “It's still a HEH, it just looks like another letter, right?” Wrong. It’s a QOF. Just like the p in receipt is a p. Unicode should not concern itself with the reasons words are spelt the way they are spelt. Identifying deliberate misspellings

Re: Why doesn't Ideographic (ID) in UAX#14 have half-width katakana?

On 5/1/2015 7:17 AM, Ken Whistler wrote: Koji, Personally, I don't have a horse in this race, because I am not responsible for any linebreaking implementation -- so a change for halfwidth katakana wouldn't matter one way or the other to me. Secondly, there is no formal stability guarantee

Re: NamesList, Code Charts, ISO/IEC 10646

Richard, as I wrote in my previous message, not knowing the first thing about character properties, some people immediately propose to carry all that information in the character name... A./ On 5/4/2015 8:07 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Mon, 4 May 2015 16:07:31 +0200 (CEST)

Re: NamesList, Code Charts, ISO/IEC 10646

On 5/4/2015 9:42 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2015 08:32:46 -0700 Asmus Freytag (t) asmus-...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On 5/4/2015 6:47 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: I suspect the idea is to have a way of unobtrusively supplying the Bidi_Mirrored value in a character pick-list

Re: NamesList, Code Charts, ISO/IEC 10646

On 5/4/2015 10:32 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2015-05-04 18:42 GMT+02:00 Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com mailto:richard.wording...@ntlworld.com: No way to pack all the information into the name, and even character properties aren't covering all of them.

Re: NamesList, Code Charts, ISO/IEC 10646

On 5/4/2015 10:39 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: User's locale has nothing to do with bidi context, so this would be simply wrong. If paragraph embedding level is determined by an overriding profile but there is nothing explicit, should not the locale determine the directionality? If so, the

Re: Why doesn't Ideographic (ID) in UAX#14 have half-width katakana?

Thank you, Ken, for your dedicated archeological efforts. I would like to emphasize that, at the time, UAX#14 reflected observed behavior, in particular (but not exclusively) for MS products some of which (at the time) used an LB algorithm that effectively matched an untailored UAX#14.

Re: Why doesn't Ideographic (ID) in UAX#14 have half-width katakana?

for me to fix it in Chrome is to justify why Chrome wants to tailor rather than fixing UAX#14 (and the bug priority...) Either Makoto or I can bring it up to CSS WG to get back to you. /koji On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Asmus Freytag (t) asmus-...@ix.netcom.com mailto:asmus

Re: Combining character example

On 4/16/2015 3:45 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: Thanks for the corrections; I should have looked for a key to the conventions they use. It's clear why they would not want to use the HTML underline. The additional information is content, not style. A./ Mark https://google.com/+MarkDavis / / /—

Re: NamesList, Code Charts, ISO/IEC 10646

On 4/17/2015 10:08 AM, schne59...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, there seems to be a mistake with character names. Dear schne5983, There seems to be a mistake in this message. It does not include a signature or a name. I'll reserve responding in detail until I know who I have the pleasure of

Re: Tag characters

Have there been any discussions of the flag alphabet? (Signal flags). They are not that infrequently used online or in print, although the concentration tends to be higher in publications/sites geared to nautical audiences (not that different from chess pieces and chess publications). Now,

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