Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Lamont Peterson
On Monday 20 August 2007 11:48am, Lonnie Olson wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 09:27 -0600, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > > > Yes, they handle things fairly nicely, but you lose a lot of > > > control over things like headers (there wasn't anything a sorting > > > rule could really be built on and

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread jtaber
Gary Thornock wrote: --- jtaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: GoogleGroups requires cookies to post and it's my opinion anything that writes to your hard disk like cookies are evil - quite the opposite of open source. Also, unless there's a way to get msgs sent directly to your email, it also m

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
The Ruby group (URUG) moved from mailman to Google Groups and it was a mostly smooth transition. I know of other lists that use Google Groups as a front-end to ease the load on their list app instance. Did they move their archives over? Does anyone know of any group that was using Mailman,

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Clint Savage
On 8/20/07, Lamont Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 19 August 2007 09:42pm, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > > All, > > > > I am toying with the idea of dropping Mailman for Google Groups and > > would like some feedback from the group. > > I wouldn't do it. A couple of other lists I'v

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Lonnie Olson
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 11:48 -0600, Lonnie Olson wrote: > Does Google Groups use standard mailing list headers? I am specifically > interested in the List-* headers. I use some of them for my personal > filtering. nevermind, I joined and got a message. The answer is yes. The headers are only ve

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Lonnie Olson
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 09:27 -0600, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > > Yes, they handle things fairly nicely, but you lose a lot of > > control over things like headers (there wasn't anything a sorting > > rule could really be built on and > > sorting by subject isn't a good idea, but please folks

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I'd suggest those interested/disinterested sign up for the Google groups list and run a bit of discussion on it to see better how it works. IE.: find out if we can get our filters, nesting, etc. to work with Google groups and then make a decision whether it works well enough for us. Excel

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Orson Jones
> Google Groups would be a workable solution for this list > that most of us could live with. I tend to like mailman > better, partly because of the ability to customize headers > and partly just because it's what I'm used to using, but the > differences aren't important enough to me that I'd obje

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Gary Thornock
--- jtaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GoogleGroups requires cookies to post and it's my opinion > anything that writes to your hard disk like cookies are evil - > quite the opposite of open source. > > Also, unless there's a way to get msgs sent directly to your > email, it also means logging ont

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Gary Thornock
--- Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/19/07, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> --- Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Just don't use Google for domains! >> >> I'm wondering whether you mean that Google for domains would >> be a bad fit for this list, or whether you'r

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Orson Jones
> GoogleGroups requires cookies to post and it's my opinion anything that > writes to your hard disk like cookies are evil - quite the opposite of > open source. Actually Firefox writes to your hard disk, not cookies, so Firefox must be evil and anti-opensource. Well, most sites that require y

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
GoogleGroups requires cookies to post and it's my opinion anything that writes to your hard disk like cookies are evil - quite the opposite of open source. Also, unless there's a way to get msgs sent directly to your email, it also means logging onto the web, to the site, entering user/ pass

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread jtaber
Wade Preston Shearer wrote: Google for domains does host email (aliased) lists. And yes, they'd be bad for our list. I wasn't suggesting using a Google Apps mailing list for the UPHPU mailing list. Those lists are just "group forwarding." My proposal was to use Google Groups. GoogleGroup

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
Yes, they handle things fairly nicely, but you lose a lot of control over things like headers (there wasn't anything a sorting rule could really be built on and sorting by subject isn't a good idea, but please folks, don't flame me on that statement, however, ask if you don't understand me

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
Google for domains does host email (aliased) lists. And yes, they'd be bad for our list. I wasn't suggesting using a Google Apps mailing list for the UPHPU mailing list. Those lists are just "group forwarding." My proposal was to use Google Groups. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptogr

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Mike Moore
The Ruby group (URUG) moved from mailman to Google Groups and it was a mostly smooth transition. I know of other lists that use Google Groups as a front-end to ease the load on their list app instance. You can subscribe and unsubscribe without ever having to create a Google account if you wish, j

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Lamont Peterson
On Sunday 19 August 2007 09:42pm, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > All, > > I am toying with the idea of dropping Mailman for Google Groups and > would like some feedback from the group. I wouldn't do it. A couple of other lists I've been on have switched back away from Google Groups because of the

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread Clint Savage
Gary On 8/19/07, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just don't use Google for domains! > > I'm wondering whether you mean that Google for domains would be a > bad fit for this list, or whether you're recommending not using > Google for domain

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-20 Thread cole
I'm ok with Google Groups. -- Cole Quoting Wade Preston Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: All, I am toying with the idea of dropping Mailman for Google Groups and would like some feedback from the group. Mailman is a nice, old friend that has giving years of dedicated service to the community,

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Gary Thornock
--- Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just don't use Google for domains! I'm wondering whether you mean that Google for domains would be a bad fit for this list, or whether you're recommending not using Google for domains at all. In the former case, I completely agree. Google for domains

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
That's only if you forget to check the checkbox at the bottom of the Admin page for Privacy called: "Show member addresses so they're not directly recognizable as email addresses? " Check yes and you're good to go for your pre-existing archives as well as future emails. You can set that in your

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Roger Brown
On a side note: On 8/19/07, Wade Preston Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > ... Plus the > archives display your email address un-obsficated. > ... That's only if you forget to check the checkbox at the bottom of the Admin page for Privacy called: "Show member addresses so they're not di

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
Just don't use Google for domains! I moved a few personal and family domains/emails accounts over this weekend and have been in utter bliss. I haven't received a single piece of Spam since the move. I think if they actually integrated the functionality of Google Groups it'd be a perfect

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Clint Savage
On 8/19/07, Wade Preston Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I am toying with the idea of dropping Mailman for Google Groups and > would like some feedback from the group. Mailman is a nice, old > friend that has giving years of dedicated service to the community, > but his age is showing

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
I'm all for anything that makes a volunteer job easier and cheaper. I use Google groups for a few other lists, and I like it just fine. I have a question for you since you are an active Google Groups user: On the "manage my memberships" screen [1], where you specify per-list nickname, email,

Re: [UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread John David Anderson
On Aug 19, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: What do you think? I'm all for anything that makes a volunteer job easier and cheaper. I use Google groups for a few other lists, and I like it just fine. $google_groups++; -- John ___

[UPHPU] dropping Mailman for Google Groups

2007-08-19 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
All, I am toying with the idea of dropping Mailman for Google Groups and would like some feedback from the group. Mailman is a nice, old friend that has giving years of dedicated service to the community, but his age is showing. Sure, once you get it configured and locked down, it will ru