Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

Bob, Am 25.02.2014 um 02:17 schrieb Bob Sneidar : > I recently created and am using my Forms Generator app, which fills out PDF > forms I use everyday with data from a Sequel database. It’s a HUGE tool for > me, and I am adding on to it regularly new features that make it even more > useful.

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

Bob, Sounds like your forms generator could be very useful to me, too. Any plans to share, make public, or .? Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D > wrote: > > Bob, > > >> Am 25.02.2014 um 02:17 schrieb Bob Sneidar : >> >

Re: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac

On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > All my unparalleled skill and expertise as an IT Jedi Master can be > attributed to Google. Thanks Google! “You’re welcome Jedi Bob!” GOOGLE, n. Acronym: God's Own Official Guide to Locating Everything. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.co

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this: http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf -- The NASA Landsat 7 satellite imaging scheduling a

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

Peter M. Brigham wrote: When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this: http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf -- The NASA Landsat 7 sat

Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Dear List Members, As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode Github repository, you'll notice that: - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine. - LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a wo

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

Bob Sneidar wrote: > yeah… troll. > > He might try looking at Wowmatrix, which was written ENTIRELY in > Livecode. It goes out to various WOW add-on sites, checks for the > latest versions, compares it with the users current version, allows > the user to selectively or globally update their add-o

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 2/25/14 8:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: ... > As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our > continuing support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. ... > However, only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 > according to netmarketshare.com

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a little guilty about posting regarding this subject, however… The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me the lack of a speedy scrolling data grid. I am currently also evaluating Xojo. I really don’t want

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

> Richard: > I think the math is pretty compelling in favor of your proposal to drop  > support for that very old version of OS X.  > You folks have done a stellar job of supporting older versions of OS X  > longer than even Apple. Sometimes you just gotta cut the cord and move on.  +1 > Teren

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25.02.2014 at 16:18 Uhr + Benjamin Beaumont apparently wrote: Dear List Members, Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will help us in our decision making process. Warm regards, Ben My vote: Drop support for 10.5 for LC 6.7 and newer. RObert ___

AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6 any

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote: Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post it on the thread in the Forums. I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to appear petty and unwelc

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Terence Heaford wrote: > I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a > little guilty about posting regarding this subject... You needn't feel guilty at all. Freely sharing code is what the GPL is all about. You would only need a Commercial license if you need to deploy

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

A little historical perspective: Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" was released in April 2005, nearly 9 years ago. RunRev only recently announced it is dropping support for Tiger. (In v. 6.6?) The transition to Intel processors happened in 2006, 8 years ago. OS X 10.5 was released in October 2007, 6.5 ye

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to drop support for OS 10.5. -- Jacqueline Landman

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding. Let everybody put their money where their needs are. Default: Wave and move forward. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: > >> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Ben, Dozens of my customers are still using Mac OS X 10.4. I'm quite surprised that you are asking about 10.5. Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find out how many people are really using older systems. Keep in mind that for people who focus on the Mac market, no

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Is there a distinction between what the LiveCode IDE needs and what a stack needs? Would an OSX 10.5 compatible standalone app be able to open and use a stack that was made in LiveCode 6.7 or later? If that’s the case then people could use the latest LiveCode for development, and then either se

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote: Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post it on the thread in the Forums. I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to a

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I completely agree with Tiemo's comments. This is a big issues for me. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RA

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Exactly, Devin! LiveCode is just getting back on the educational market and now they are about to lose it again! -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Jacque, Dropping support for 10.5 isn't the same as dropping support for PowerPC. AFAIK, PPC support doesn't really exist for quite a while now. 10.5, however, also runs on a number of Mac models with Intel processor and LiveCode would no longer be useful on those machines. If I and hundres

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Mike, When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of support for Mac OS X 10.5. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use C

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Currently, I don't target mac so it really my input doesn't matter much. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of > support for Mac OS X 10.5. That seems rather hyper

Re: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac

> Peter: > GOOGLE, n. Acronym: God's Own Official Guide to Locating Everything.  Good one :)) And there’s this: http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html ~ Ender ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Pl

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

On 2/25/14, 11:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: the audience for a thread isn't just one person, nor even all of those participating, but really it's everyone who will read a thread in the future. That's what I keep thinking about. I immediately unsubscribed to a mailing list once because the regu

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Am 25.02.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Devin Asay : > > Dropping support for 10.5 won't affect me much, if at all, but I do worry > about the many primary and secondary schools, public and private, who still > depend on old hardware. (Richmond, this is your cue.) :) > > My recommendation would be for

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Le 25 févr. 2014 à 18:04, J. Landman Gay a écrit : > I vote to drop support for OS 10.5. +1 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://l

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25/02/14 18:18, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: Dear List Members, As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode Github repository, you'll notice that: - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

The Kickstarter campaign was all about modernizing LC. It's a clear choice to me: drop 10.5 support. As others have said, people who want to maintain their old systems can use old versions of LC. Thanks, Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25/02/14 18:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my iMac a MacBook from around

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Drop it if you need to... isn't it true that people can use older versions of LC if they want to build for 10.5? Keep focused on forward movement. my 2c ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, uns

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Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often, they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a small bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rather unimportant at first sight. If you count the total number of hours that people will have to s

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter M. Brigham wrote: > >> When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't >> really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this: >> >> http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Land

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Richmond writes: > As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise > that, frankly, that the work involved > in not justified: so drop it. > > BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial > licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC c

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Mark Schonewille wrote: > Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find > out how many people are really using older systems. It seems he did both: before double-checking with the community, he cited one of the leading metrics commonly used for identifying OS market shar

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> What path did you follow at the site to find that PDF? ... > I had had the old Mirye webpage bookmarked, then that showed up as > dead, so I did a google search and located a PDF of the article in > the case studies.

Re: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist

J. Landman Gay write: > On 2/25/14, 11:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> the audience for a thread isn't just one person, nor even all of >> those participating, but really it's everyone who will read a >> thread in the future. > > That's what I keep thinking about. I immediately unsubscribed to a

Scrolling speed of a data grid

New thread created following Richards comment in Support for Mac OSX 10.5 > The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me > the lack of a speedy scrolling data grid. > Do you have any details on that you can share? Between Trevor's excellent > scripting, recent additions t

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It’s quite possible that LiveCode ends up being slower, but one possibility is that in the other two cases the scrolling is happening if the key is pressed at the time, and in LiveCode it may be limited by the keyboard repeat rate. So, it would b

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

I am a little confused by your suggestion. All scrolling of the LC DataGrid is done by holding the mouse down in the DataGrid scrollbar and not via. the keyboard. I may have confused you by referring to page Up/Down, I actually meant the pageUp/Down parts of the scrollbar. All the best Terry

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Terence Heaford wrote: ... > I then saw LiveCode and placed a small contribution to the > update/stretch goals as I was/am concerned that SC is not going to > be updated. FWIW, SC's lead developer, Mark Lucas, is a friend of mine, and I'm in touch with him pretty regularly. We'd talk more ofte

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Out of interest LiveCode. 1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds 2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds. All the best Terry On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Colin Holgate wrote: > Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It’s quite possible that > LiveCode ends up be

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Schonewille wrote: > Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find > out how many people are really using older systems. It seems he did both: before double-checking with the community, he cited one of the leading metrics com

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Yes, that was what I was thinking. I see you’re getting 9 per second with the mouse. On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Terence Heaford wrote: > I may have confused you by referring to page Up/Down, I actually meant the > pageUp/Down parts of the scrollbar.

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Richard, Fixed height row is being used. As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the Sqlite database which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing at as [row][“date”] [row][“type”] etc.. There are 3 behaviour scripts, for date, amount,

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Richmond wrote: On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: A PowerPC build of Xubuntu is maintained by the Ubuntu community as well for those who need it. At which point it might be not a bad idea to point out that RunRev's time might be better spent putting a Linux PPC version of Livecode toge

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

PS: Richmond, have you considered trimming replies to the relevant portion you're replying to? I don't mind scrolling through a lot of text to get to your one-sentence replies on my laptop, but on mu phone it's a more cumbersome. Pruning! Best, Richmond. ___

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond writes: > >> As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise >> that, frankly, that the work involved >> in not justified: so drop it. >> >> BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial >>

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Andrew Kluthe wrote: What is a "little longer" in your opinion? 1 year? 5 years? I would hate for runrev to spend several months to make something backwards compatible for a short time. Along with this time spent, I would imagine it would further complicate the code base in non-trivial ways. E

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often, > they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a small > bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rat

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Even if try to set aside the developer salaries and technical debt, it's not like it's going to get any less dangerous using an unsupported OS version than it was half a decade ago when it stopped getting security updates. Every year an unsupported OS is used, the only people writing system

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25.02.2014 at 17:53 Uhr +0100 Tiemo Hollmann TB apparently wrote: Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my iM

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Richmond wrote: > So, what chance a Linux PPC build and/or the ability to deliver Linux > PPC standalones from other platforms? > > This is votable: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19328 Good idea with the forum post. We may find others in the community who have the time and intere

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Terence Heaford wrote: > Fixed height row is being used. > > As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from > the Sqlite database which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array > for internal use storing at as > > [row][“date”] > [row][“type”] > etc.. > > There are 3 behavi

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Terence Heaford wrote: > As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the > Sqlite database > which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing > at as > > [row]["date"] > [row]["type"] > etc.. > I assume you get the

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Terry, "Fixed row height" is an option only available for datagrid forms, so it should be on no help here. For datagrids working with databases, you should have a look to this lesson: http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7341-displaying-large-amounts-of-data Basically the trick is to

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I say drop 10.5 support. Any Mac OS X version older than 10.7 shouldn't be considered safe to use on the internet, because it is partially open source and there are no security updates provided for it. Meaning that hackers can tell exactly what is fixed and where the vulnerabilities of the old

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Terence Heaford wrote: > Out of interest > > LiveCode. > > 1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds > 2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds. Hi Terence, This sounds more of a speed issue related to how often the scrolling is fired while using

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: > So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the > appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. > you will have a much higher percentage of 10.5 in schools where computers are usually used until they die and with macs

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason hold up so many other developers and their clients for the few that don't want to move on. If RR continue to supply LC6.6 with support for Mac OS X

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Hi, Correct. one sqlite then dgText. I have used the other (large data set) method in a previous attempt to improve performance but basically with the same result. All the best Terry On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:17, Peter Haworth wrote: > I assume you get the SQLite data with 1 SELECT statement th

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

My mistake, when I said fixed row height I meant all rows have the same height of 25. The text is Lucida Grande 13 point. All the best Terry On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:20, zryip theSlug wrote: > Terry, > > "Fixed row height" is an option only available for datagrid forms, so > it should be on no

Wolfram language

Looks like the soon-to-be-released Wolfram language will be part of the upcoming Raspberry Pi OS: -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Would it speed things up by using the dgData command instead...? Its an array... Again... Grasping at straws here... I've never seen a datagrid misbehave like you've described... My apps use a LOT of datagrids and my tables are 100's of thousands of records... I have one table that adds on aver

Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

Hi, Times getting on here in the UK.(22:11), it’s getting time for bed for old people like me. I will fabricate some not sensitive data for the table and create a quicktime movie and post it where you can see it. Will do this tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to think about this. All the

How To Say “This Is Crap” In Different Cultures

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Re: Scrolling speed of a data grid

In a sense it doesn’t matter if it is smooth enough. If the test was to click and hold on scroll bar to page downwards, that should be a fair test across tools. If LiveCode is managing 9 updates per second, and the others are managing 15 per second, they are presumably faster at that task. I wo

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

+1 drop support. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in > future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason > hold up so many other developers and their clients for the few that don

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I also think that parking support for OSX 10.5 now makes sense - what is the point of including modern LC stuff like scaleFactor for machines too old to have retina screens? - "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Se

Re: How To Say “This Is Crap” In Different Cultures

Thanks Mark, that was interesting - no really - it was INTERESTING! - "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-To-Say-This-Is-

Re: How To Say “This Is Crap” In Different Cultures

On 2/25/14, 4:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Some cross-cultural issues: This is very interesting...and I mean that in the Dutch sense. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Softwa

Re: Wolfram language

How awesome would it be if we had at least some of these commands in Livecode: http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning.html http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/ImageProcessing.html There is a *FindFaces* function for God’s sake :)) One day, hopefully… ~ Ender From: M

RE: How To Say "This Is Crap" InDifferent Cultures

> Some cross-cultural issues: > > rent-cultures/> Its got to go a step further though, and consider not only the cultural context but the individual one - be prepared that your colleague of culture X isn't a typical X, especially if

Re: Wolfram language

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Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I will have to buy a new machine for my office desktop, a PPC. Rats. Drop support. Craig -Original Message- From: Mike Kerner To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5 This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding. Let

Re: Wolfram language

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Mats Wilstrand < mats.wilstr...@tapirsoft.com> wrote: > Wow! This seems truly to be shift in paradigm. Even with the Open Language > we will be very busy catching up J > Maybe a function similar to shell, but for wolfram: put wolfram("predict:number of LiveCode u

Re: Wolfram language

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