Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-29 04:43, Kay C Lan wrote: Oh, and just a slight tangent. I've seen it mentioned before but it hadn't really registered until I was playing with LC8 yesterday, but the new 'Script only Stack' would seem to be the perfect beast to offer up as a guinea pig for Text Editor

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Peter Bogdanoff
That URL is not working. Probably should be: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=66t=25065p=130099hilit=scriptOnly#p130099 Peter On Aug 29, 2015, at 12:53 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: scriptOnly ___

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Monte Goulding
Hi Peter Has anyone seen my post on the engine forum about a scriptOnly property for stacks: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=66t=25065 Happy to contribute it Cheers Monte Sent from my iPhone On 29 Aug 2015, at 5:00 pm, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: Your

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-29 08:53, Monte Goulding wrote: Hi Peter Has anyone seen my post on the engine forum about a scriptOnly property for stacks: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=66t=25065 Happy to contribute it This looks like the sort of thing that's best off being looked at by Mark

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Peter Haworth
I'm still in the early days of using the sts plugin but I believe the restriction on not having the script editor window open at the same time is to avoid clashes if edits are made to the same script in both places. On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 9:15 AM Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: a better mechanism to track the changes and transfer those back and forth - that improvement can only be done from the mothership. What's needed? Let's make it so. Love the positive attitude :-)

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29 Aug 2015, at 10:22 pm, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: This looks like the sort of thing that's best off being looked at by Mark Waddingham. Unfortunately my last day before my annual holiday is the day before he gets back from his annual holiday, so I'm not going to

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 10:41 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: You did the obvious, and restarted LC after placing the plugin right? If you didn't restart lc, and you don't want to, an easy way to force a re-read of the plugins folder is to go into the plugin settings. You don't have to do anything, just going to

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: I was bored one evening (in my spare time) and decided to explore adding new syntax highlighting rules to Atom. Now wonder the story isn't more exciting. You really need to get out more ;-)

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 28/08/2015 09:17, Kay C Lan wrote: I don't use Atom but from some recent posting it appears that some kind of LC/Atom connection has been made. I wonder if that may have been driven by the amount of time the LC Team spend at Github and Atom is the Github team developed Text Editor? Guess I

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote: One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a change in my script and immediately see the effect. Now while I understand the virtues of using the external text editor

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these issues rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is. Off the top of my head: 1) copy paste via keyboard How many

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond
On 08/28/2015 01:30 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these issues rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is. Off the top of my

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: The problem though, was that stsMLXEditor was a bit of a patch job which needed a better mechanism to track the changes and transfer those back and forth - that improvement can only be done from the mothership. What's needed? Let's make it so. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
Oh, and just a slight tangent. I've seen it mentioned before but it hadn't really registered until I was playing with LC8 yesterday, but the new 'Script only Stack' would seem to be the perfect beast to offer up as a guinea pig for Text Editor integration. If my assumptions* are correct

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: a better mechanism to track the changes and transfer those back and forth - that improvement can only be done from the mothership. What's needed? Let's make it so. Love the positive

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 09:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
You did the obvious, and restarted LC after placing the plugin right? If you didn't restart lc, and you don't want to, an easy way to force a re-read of the plugins folder is to go into the plugin settings. You don't have to do anything, just going to the settings dialog forced the re-read.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Peter Haworth
I am having the same problem. The plugin doesn't load and it's not listed in the Plugins menu or in the Configure Plugins menu. This is with LC 6.6, and yes I did restart LC after installing it. I opened the plugin manually from the File Open menu and set it up to use the OSX Textmate editor. I

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter Haworth wrote: It would of course be better if this was all built into the IDE script editor but this is a great substitute until that happens. Better is nice, but now can be even nicer. :) Plugins are not only easily shared, but also self-contained, so they make a great way to explore

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-27 21:30, Mike Bonner wrote: I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Bonner
I got it to show up finally (7.0.6 on windows) I installed it in my personal plugins folder rather than the 7.0.6 plugins folder. On start of lc, still didn't show up, but went to plugin settings and set it to start when chosen from the plugins menu. Changed it from invisible to modeless.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Peter Haworth
It's showing up for me now, It's in my personal plugins folder but still doesn't show up in the Development Plugins list or the Plugin Settings list, maybe because the stack name begins with rev? It's hard to locate stuff in the plugin settings list since they don't seem to be in any particular

Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread RunRevPlanet
Richmond said: I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these issues rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is. I put a numbered list of 10 issues (some with sub points) in the Open Source Kickstarter Report Card thread over a week

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 10:49 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: Kay C Lan said: take the smart route and build adequate text handling into their products but allow integration with the industry leaders. One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-27 Thread RunRevPlanet
Kay C Lan said: take the smart route and build adequate text handling into their products but allow integration with the industry leaders. One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In other words I can make a change in my script and immediately see the effect.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:42 AM, RunRevPlanet feed at smpcsupport.com wrote: For all three I use Geany. http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode It's not clear to me what integration Geany and Webstorm have built in, but let's dream and say LiveCode allowed

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-26 Thread Kay C Lan
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:42 AM, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote: For all three I use Geany. http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode It's not clear to me what integration Geany and Webstorm have built in, but let's dream and say LiveCode allowed you to use Geany as it's

Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-26 Thread RunRevPlanet
Kay C Lan said: let's dream and say LiveCode allowed you to use Geany as it's Script Editior. This would be a bad thing because? None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written in

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-26 Thread RunRevPlanet
Thierry Douez said: If you are interested to this project, do you have some knowledge or links about adding a language, compilation tools,.. to geany? No I don't know of any links and haven't done that sort of work before, so I am afraid I can't be much help. I will have a look around

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-26 Thread Mike Kerner
So has anyone looked at dp3 to see if the script editor is strapped, yet, or are we still a ways off from that? Once it's more workable (because you oughta try working on that code, now. Ugh), hopefully we can all make it better. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:03 PM, RunRevPlanet

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-26 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote: None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode to use an external editor is a bad thing. So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing. More that for a cross platform IDE, written

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-25 Thread RunRevPlanet
Kay C Lan said: which IDE/Text Editor do you use on Linux, which one on Win and which one on OS X. For all three I use Geany. http://www.geany.org/ Same IDE on all platforms. Same features on all platforms, same keyboard shortcuts. I can jump from one machine/OS to another and simply keep

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-24 Thread Devin Asay
On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:14 AM, Charles Warwick char...@techstrategies.com.au wrote: I recently modified the script editor to do exactly that, as a long list of handlers was getting very annoying, and it has been working very well. Here are two screenshots of the modified script editor:

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-24 Thread Charles Warwick
I recently modified the script editor to do exactly that, as a long list of handlers was getting very annoying, and it has been working very well. Here are two screenshots of the modified script editor: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4bsjmbftg6uue9w/LC%20handler%20filter%20list%20empty.png?dl=0

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: I am likely the only person who has always kept coloRizing turned off. Coming from HyperCard, I was used to it and the rainbow hues of a colorized script distracted me. I couldn't concentrate on the content, I kept seeing the colors. There are at least two of us. One

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/23/2015 11:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 8:44 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, does it get better if you turn off script colonizing? As others have already made the cheap (and funny) one, I'll pass. Until the last pun, I

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Also performance: I do most of my scripting on a 3 GHz Haswell, and even with colorization off it struggles to keep up with even my own modest typing speed. So you notice a difference then? I still haven't worked with my humongous script in LC 7 so

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-24 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:40 PM, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote: I care because when typing code, I don't want to have to think about what machine I am using and adjust my fingers to suits. Sorry I missed it, excluding LC, which IDE/Text Editor do you use on Linux, which one on Win

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/23/2015 02:51 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: It's not possible for it to have gotten worse in LC 7, as the 7 IDE is identical to the 6 IDE except for branding. Thanks. I stand corrected then. Still trying to track down why this is such a CPU hog in LC7. I'll remove the extra checks I put in for

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Ali Lloyd
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 at 16:18, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:51 AM, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: It's not possible for it to have gotten worse in LC 7, as the 7 IDE is identical to the 6 IDE except for branding It does, however, seem to be a huge

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-23 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/21/2015 03:07 AM, AndyP wrote: Preview image http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/n4695469/lcwrapper1.png When Im happy with it Ill make it available for hacking Open source. Finally went and took a look - that's quite a nice start. I'm looking forward to that release.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
On August 23, 2015 11:04:46 AM CDT, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: On 08/23/2015 08:50 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: Is script colonizing what happens when bugs creep into your scripts and settle there?? Don't you just hate it when that happens? Okay auto-correct, I've had it with

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I am not exaggerating at frequently seeing a 2-3 second lag time, and (almost?) never under a second. Just out of curiosity, does it get better if you turn off script colonizing? Is script colonizing what happens when bugs creep into your

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/23/2015 08:50 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: Is script colonizing what happens when bugs creep into your scripts and settle there?? Don't you just hate it when that happens? -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
On August 23, 2015 10:18:13 AM CDT, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I am not exaggerating at frequently seeing a 2-3 second lag time, and (almost?) never under a second. Just out of curiosity, does it get better if you turn off script colonizing? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
On August 23, 2015 1:51:35 AM CDT, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if someone from the mothership sat down and said right, we are going to make our Script Editor compatible with the top 3 text editors on each platform, how do we make that happen. if a lot of those hooks could be

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
On August 23, 2015 10:50:13 AM CDT, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I am not exaggerating at frequently seeing a 2-3 second lag time, and (almost?) never under a second. Just out of curiosity, does it get better if you turn off

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Kay C Lan
Mike Kerner said: effort should instead be spent on a BBEdit/TextWrangler plugin or some method for leveraging someone else's text editor. Malte Brill said: +1, just eclipse… ;-). The Dr. said: vi, of course . . . If you want to use that heretical emacs contraption, you'll get

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:51 AM, Ali Lloyd ali.ll...@livecode.com wrote: It's not possible for it to have gotten worse in LC 7, as the 7 IDE is identical to the 6 IDE except for branding It does, however, seem to be a huge leap back from 5. The delays in 5 were merely sluggish enough to be

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-08-23 02:01, RunRevPlanet wrote: Then then there are bookmarks which are missing. The problem with the handler list pane of the current editor is that with a stack or card with many handlers there is a constant need to scroll up and down that if the two handlers I am working on have

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Ali Lloyd
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:35 AM Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: The IDE has way too many hooks that need to be trapped in a frontscript in order to use a different editor from the built-in one. And it's gotten worse, not better, with LC 7/8. It's not possible for it to have

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:55 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: When the last script editor revision was released it included hooks so you could work in any external editor. Was that pre or post GLX2? More information would be welcome. I manually take scripts in and out of

RE: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Is script colonizing what happens when bugs creep into your scripts and settle there?? Its nothing compared with a script colonoscopy. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/23/2015 8:57 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:55 PM, J. Landman Gayjac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: When the last script editor revision was released it included hooks so you could work in any external editor. Was that pre or post GLX2? More information would be welcome.

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-23 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 8:44 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, does it get better if you turn off script colonizing? As others have already made the cheap (and funny) one, I'll pass. But I didn't know that this could be done. I'll try. Hilting a

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-22 Thread RunRevPlanet
Mike Kerner said: effort should instead be spent on a BBEdit/TextWrangler plugin or some method for leveraging someone else's text editor. the problem with this approach is that you need to find a single editor that runs on Linux, OS X Windows. Without using a single editor/IDE on all

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-22 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/22/2015 07:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I've often wished there was a way to go back where I came from, but it is a one-way trip for now. It's a feature in glx2, but I'm not sure how to patch it into the built-in editor. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-22 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Saturday, August 22, 2015, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote: the problem with this approach is that you need to find a single editor that runs on Linux, OS X Windows. vi, of course . . . If you want to use that heretical emacs contraption, you'll get performance almost as bad as

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-22 Thread Mark Wieder
On 08/22/2015 06:01 PM, RunRevPlanet wrote: I would be surprised if the amount of work making a plugin for another system would be less than just fixing what currently exists. g from the work I've done on glx2 I'd second that. The IDE has way too many hooks that need to be trapped in a

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-22 Thread Peter Haworth
I remember someone posted that they used red dot breakpoints as bookmarks. I have them in lcstackbrowser too. But they should be in the script editor. On Sat, Aug 22, 2015, 9:01 PM Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote:

Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-22 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/22/2015 8:01 PM, RunRevPlanet wrote: As a couple of concrete examples, that are mentioned elsewhere, but are repeated again in more detail, because this is a new thread. I'll agree with all your suggestions, you've laid out a good list of things the editor should do and I've wished for

Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-21 Thread Ali Lloyd
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: With the IDE things are even better: it's already written in a high-level scripting language. Why not use LiveCode Script? If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us doing here? That

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ali Lloyd wrote: I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one go. Wise, for all the reasons Joel talks about here (good link, Scott): http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html This is why I'm

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-21 Thread Malte Brill
Ali Lloyd wrote: I don't think that the current script editor should be neglected I think that depends on when 7 will be EOLed. If you plan to have 8 stable by the end of the year and you plan to have a new Script editor there, wasting resources might be indeed a waste. Mike Kerner wrote:

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-21 Thread Mike Kerner
There are SO MANY things that can, and, in my opinion, should happen with a/the script editor, that I often wonder if instead of working on one, effort should instead be spent on a BBEdit/TextWrangler plugin or some method for leveraging someone else's text editor. Bootstrapping is an

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-21 Thread AndyP
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Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Malte Brill wrote: Ali Lloyd wrote: I don't think that the current script editor should be neglected I think that depends on when 7 will be EOLed. If you plan to have 8 stable by the end of the year and you plan to have a new Script editor there, wasting resources might be indeed a waste.

Re: Script Editor future (was Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ali Lloyd wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 at 16:49, Richard Gaskin wrote: With the IDE things are even better: it's already written in a high-level scripting language. Why not use LiveCode Script? If we can't build a good text editor in LiveCode, what are any of us doing here? That is a

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread Scott Rossi
That should have read ...ISN'T even out of beta... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/21/15, 12:46 AM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Sorry Paul, Mobirise is even out of beta and it's already obsolete: https://vimeo.com/127926346 Admittedly,

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread Richmond
On 21/08/15 10:38, Paul Richards wrote: Not a CMS builder, but a drag drop webpage builder - to quote No coding free http://mobirise.com/ Paul :-) All a bit too complicated for simple folk like me, I stick with KompoZer: http://kompozer.net/ http://kompozer.net/ Richmond.

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread AndyP
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RE: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread Paul Richards
@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS: https://webflow.com/cms Building without programming is a popular trend :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread Scott Rossi
Source Kickstarter Report Card Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS: https://webflow.com/cms Building without programming is a popular trend :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM

RE: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-21 Thread Paul Richards
Kickstarter Report Card That should have read ...ISN'T even out of beta... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/21/15, 12:46 AM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Sorry Paul, Mobirise is even out of beta and it's already obsolete: https://vimeo.com

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread Ali Lloyd
Thank you for the update on progress and reasons for the delay. When you outline all the reasons, the delay is understandable. The problem, as I see it, is that until a better IDE is released the new user just sees a poorly executed environment without basic features. The new user does

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread Lyn Teyla
Ali Lloyd wrote: I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one go. More likely we will replace individual elements with widgets (as has been done with the variables pane) to make sure all the components work as expected. Assuming one of the elements to be replaced

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread Ali Lloyd
Assuming one of the elements to be replaced with widgets is the field control used to display code in the script editor, will it result in the following long-standing scrolling issue (opened since March 2008) being resolved? http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6286 Scrolling a

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread Colin Holgate
I imagine you meant that it’s faster to program in, as opposed to faster performance. On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller ke...@livecode.com wrote: Now we have a third choice, an intermediate LiveCode Builder. Its much faster than C but slower than Script.

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread JB
One thing that would really help with developing in LCB would be to have some examples of C++ code and the same code showing how you write it using LCB. John Balgenorth On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Miller
I think this is a really important principal. Always use the highest level language you can for any given project. Offering that very high level language option is a big part of LiveCode's reason for being. Previously our primary choices were between LiveCode Script and a lower level language

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2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Miller
Yes. I was talking about developer productivity. On 20 Aug 2015, at 18:32, Colin Holgate colinholg...@gmail.com wrote: I imagine you meant that it’s faster to program in, as opposed to faster performance. On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller ke...@livecode.com wrote: Now we

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2015-08-20 Thread Kevin Miller
There is documentation up in the DP of 8 that is out there. We will be having a Global Jam shortly so everyone can get together to learn how to create Widgets. Stay tuned for more details. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can

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2015-08-20 Thread Roger Eller
When I asked, Will there be a list, or guide to help a LC script user to know when to use LCB?, I did not understand that you were talking about dev time -vs- cpu time per type of function. So, nevermind that question. Roger EllerGraphics Systems Analyst 803 North Maple StreetP:

Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

2015-08-20 Thread Roger Eller
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Kevin Miller ke...@livecode.com wrote: I think this is a really important principal. Always use the highest level language you can for any given project. Offering that very high level language option is a big part of LiveCode's reason for being. Or primary

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2015-08-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ali Lloyd wrote: I doubt we will be writing a whole new script editor from scratch in one go. Wise, for all the reasons Joel talks about here (good link, Scott): http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html More likely we will replace individual elements with widgets (as has

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2015-08-19 Thread Roger Eller
Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in our prepress shop. You may not think programming when you hear the word prepress, but with AE, that is exactly what it is. We take business logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, etc. with a graphical

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2015-08-19 Thread Scott Rossi
Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS: https://webflow.com/cms Building without programming is a popular trend :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, Scott Rossi

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2015-08-19 Thread Scott Rossi
This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. The whole build without writing code concept is pretty big right now. But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when logic gets

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2015-08-19 Thread Roger Eller
Good for beginners, yes. But also for speciaized areas of a workflow, like navigation defaults. I didn't say lets make a UI that doesn't require any code. The Automation Engine I use has tasks that are for specialty purposes, but also within this workflow environment you can add a external task

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2015-08-19 Thread Lynn Fredricks
This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. Flashback: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.11/PrographCPXTutorial/ind ex.html Remember this? Very interesting concept at the

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2015-08-19 Thread Stephen MacLean
On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic. Flashback:

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2015-08-19 Thread Scott Rossi
Never used it, but yeah. I was thinking of something like MTropolis which wasn't really free form, but similar. http://www.gamutart.com/motion/interactivity/muntadss_mtropoli_view.gif Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 8/19/15, 10:40 AM, Lynn Fredricks

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2015-08-19 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ali Lloyd wrote: As far as I'm concerned these have all been strict prerequisites for any genuine progress on modernisation and usability improvements of the IDE. The biggest current roadblock is the script editor which is large and dense, and the debugger. Excellent progress. With that

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2015-08-19 Thread Richmond
Ah . . . at last I found the term I was looking for that describes that picture: https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/000/343/164/117dbdeb72106130b0c233e454653d14_original.png?v=1358445536w=680fit=maxauto=formatlossless=trues=b51b389fb4ab85d0e86d29ecafb66656 a Single Document Interface.

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2015-08-19 Thread Ali Lloyd
A few words on the IDE: Although we've not been able to prioritise IDE development in the 8.0 cycle, a great deal of work has been done and groundwork for future improvement laid. Firstly, a fair portion of that work has gone into supporting widgets, both in terms of their integration in the IDE

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2015-08-19 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Am 19.08.2015 um 20:31 schrieb Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com: Never used it, but yeah. I was thinking of something like MTropolis which wasn't really free form, but similar. Thinking of mTropolis brings tears to my eyes. A great tool with a really sad end. Shame on you Quark Inc. !

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2015-08-19 Thread RunRevPlanet
Richmond said: Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth) so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is to be introduced to have it as one of 2 options. Single vs multi window does not matter as long as the editor is up to scratch and I can view

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2015-08-19 Thread Ali Lloyd
Excellent progress. With that foundational work out of the way it would seem an excellent time to optimize the most important part of the IDE, the script editor. Version 7 is where the company makes money today, and as the foundation for v8 it's also where the company will make its money

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