Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread James Spencer
On Aug 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Ken Ray wrote: Well, actually it's not as common to do that in Windows apps as in Mac - they usually don't have "Preferences" under the Edit menu; they have "Options" under the Tools menu, or if it does have "Preferences", it's not under

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ken Ray wrote: For myself, I usually split it down the middle with an "Options" item under the Edit menu, set by script on startup to "Preferences" if it opens on a Mac. I've mad many an email about a wide range of UI nuances but never one on my prefs nomenclature, so unless it becomes a problem

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Ken Ray
> For myself, I usually split it down the middle with an "Options" item > under the Edit menu, set by script on startup to "Preferences" if it > opens on a Mac. I've mad many an email about a wide range of UI nuances > but never one on my prefs nomenclature, so unless it becomes a problem > I'm st

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ken Ray wrote: But if you disable the entire menu, what happens to your Preferences item on Win? It disables along with the rest of the menu Although the Win HIG says that when all of a menu's items are unavailable to go ahead and disable the entire menu, in the case of the Edit menu that's n

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Saturday, August 20, 2005, 10:02:13 AM, you wrote: > On Windows, the HIG sez: > If all items in a menu are disabled, disable its menu title. > If you disable a menu item or its title, the user can still > browse to it or choose it. I just checked, and WinWord doesn't disabl

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Ken- Saturday, August 20, 2005, 9:55:24 AM, you wrote: > Well, regardless of whether there are other apps that disable an entire menu > (thanks, Richard, for the HIG post, btw), the fact is that Rev allows you to > do it, and the results are inconsistent under OS X for the Edit menu (and > probab

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/20/05 12:04 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, regardless of whether there are other apps that disable an entire menu >> (thanks, Richard, for the HIG post, btw), the fact is that Rev allows you to >> do it, and the results are inconsistent under OS X for the Edit menu (

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ken Ray wrote: On 8/20/05 11:47 AM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken- Friday, August 19, 2005, 11:04:04 PM, you wrote: If your application has an 'Edit' menu AND it has a 'Preferences' menu item AND you deploy to Mac OS X, then you should never disable the entire Edit menu (you

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richard Gaskin wrote: James Spencer wrote: MisterX is incorrect, this is not OS behavior. The placement of the preferences item at the end of the Edit menu and then moving it on OS X is pure Rev. I think it's a matter of semantics: It's a Rev issue only because OS X doesn't need to suppo

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/20/05 11:47 AM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken- > > Friday, August 19, 2005, 11:04:04 PM, you wrote: > >> If your application has an 'Edit' menu AND it has a 'Preferences' menu item >> AND you deploy to Mac OS X, then you should never disable the entire Edit >> menu (you sho

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Ken- Friday, August 19, 2005, 11:04:04 PM, you wrote: > If your application has an 'Edit' menu AND it has a 'Preferences' menu item > AND you deploy to Mac OS X, then you should never disable the entire Edit > menu (you should leave the menu itself enabled, but individually disable the > items yo

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
James Spencer wrote: MisterX is incorrect, this is not OS behavior. The placement of the preferences item at the end of the Edit menu and then moving it on OS X is pure Rev. I think it's a matter of semantics: It's a Rev issue only because OS X doesn't need to support other operating system

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/20/05 11:31 AM, "James Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Now, this may just be a bug (I'll log it as such), but until >>> it's fixed or documented, you should disable the individual >>> items in the menu and not the menu itself. > > Ken, have you logged this yet so I can go vote for it

Re: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-20 Thread James Spencer
D] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 08:04 To: Use Revolution List Subject: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu Just passing along an interesting tidbit of information that I just ran into: If your application has an 'Edit' menu AND it has a 'Preferences&#x

RE: Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-19 Thread MisterX
not be enabled... So i guess a little global-OS HIG is in order ;) just my two cents Xav > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 08:04 > To: Use Revolution List > Subject: B

Bad Idea To Disable an 'Edit' Menu

2005-08-19 Thread Ken Ray
Just passing along an interesting tidbit of information that I just ran into: If your application has an 'Edit' menu AND it has a 'Preferences' menu item AND you deploy to Mac OS X, then you should never disable the entire Edit menu (you should leave the menu itself enabled, but individually disab