Judy,
I have begun to believe the dilemma that Revolution (and many other
great products) face is the "cult software" phenomenon. I am starting
to think software becomes "cultish" and loses its appeal to people
who are not part of the "cult" because of a corruption of the
creative process
At 4:44 PM -0500 4/12/2006, Chipp Walters wrote:
Sorry Jim, but I have to disagree with you here. I *used* to think
the same. But, after I worked with Rev and their RevSelect program,
I started seeing sales of Altuit products from names *never*
mentioned on this list-- and lots of 'em! In fact
Generalizing can be dangerous and I certainly over generalized. I also
forgot about the Rev/Metacard relationship, having never been a Metacard
user. Conclusion - Rev is more mature than I initially indicated and
certainly branded beyond the confines of this list. I suspect, however,
that there
Jim Carwardine wrote:
Branding is not an issue for the language of Rev because almost all of the
users are on this list - change the name and several people have to do a
search/replace for the name on a few documents.
Sorry Jim, but I have to disagree with you here. I *used* to think the
same.
Dr. Louise E. Stoehr
Director, Modern Languages Learning and Resource Center
Stephen F. Austin State University
Nacogdoches, TX 75962
http://www.sfasu.edu/modlang
On 12 Apr, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:
Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, we could name our list 'cross-ta
Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, we could name our list 'cross-talk' instead of xTalk :-))
Didn't Lynn just try to quell any "cross" talk on this list? :-)
- marty
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On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
Sounds like a good idea!
Hi Judy, its ready to go! :-)
Empty now but ready to be filled. Just register and log in.
A "Marketing Your Products" forum - Share your experiences and
ideas on how
to market your Revolution made products.
http
Media's really not all that bad as a name...
Judy
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jim Ault wrote:
> Hmmm, DreamRev ?
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It almost sounds like RevConWest...
Almost.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, how do you know that your participating
end-users are not hand-picked to ensure a certain outcome?
Not that I'm accusing you of doing that, but I participated in an external
evaluator session for our first online master's
Hmmm, DreamRev ?
Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On 4/12/06 8:42 AM, "Kevin Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/4/06 22:22, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not to
>> mention the fact there was already considerable brandi
On 11/4/06 22:22, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not to
> mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in place.
All other considerations, pros and cons aside (which unfortunately I don't
have time to com
Roger.E.Eller wrote:
Chipp Walters wrote:
All that said, looking back, I've found these type of decisions were
made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help of trusted advisors. At
Human Code we had a board of directors, which met each quarter and
frequently offered different and valuable advic
Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All that said, looking back, I've found these type of decisions were
> made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help of trusted advisors. At
> Human Code we had a board of directors, which met each quarter and
> frequently offered different and valuable ad
Jim Carwardine wrote:
Branding is not an issue for the language of Rev because almost all of the
users are on this list - change the name and several people have to do a
search/replace for the name on a few documents.
With some name changes that might be the case, but the unique challenge
with
Branding is not an issue for the language of Rev because almost all of the
users are on this list - change the name and several people have to do a
search/replace for the name on a few documents. Developers starting to use
Rev are doing so because somebody on this list told them about it. The
int
Well, we could name our list 'cross-talk' instead of xTalk :-))
It is also not a good idea to make a clever variation on the spelling, since
searchers don't remember those very well. Tons of hits and you are not
there.
Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On 4/12/06 12:18 AM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
Using common words as product names has a real downside in a search-driven
Internet-based world. Windows? Vista? Apple?
xTalk turns up 212,000 hits; of the firs ten, three seem relevant. But the
term is used for lots of stuff I never heard of.
On 4/11/06, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
Good detective work there Todd. And to tell the truth, I think the same
way. Turns out the term 'revScript' has only about 50 hits...h.
-Chipp
Todd Higgins wrote:
Some stats from Google:
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Some stats from Google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 395,000,000 for revolution
The first relevant link was the runrev homepage (14th) The most
prominent links (and text ads) had to do with heartworm medicine for
you pets. Also note that the next generation Nintendo game station
is also cal
> Sounds like a good idea!
Hi Judy, its ready to go! :-)
Empty now but ready to be filled. Just register and log in.
A "Marketing Your Products" forum - Share your experiences and ideas on how
to market your Revolution made products.
http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=31
Best reg
Sounds like a good idea!
Judy
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> > A reputation for being flighty seems a far more serious
> > branding issue than merely following an established trend
> > among many major successful companies.
>
> Id be happy to set up a marketing forum to discuss pro
For the 2 cents it's worth:
I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not
to mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in
place.
Yes, indeed, to add 2 more cents. The name was and is really great.
Unfortunately, as the product it suffered from not cl
> Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of
flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts
for a scenario that never happened?
It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple,
Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research
departments are no
> All that said, looking back, I've found these type of
> decisions were made best not in a vaccuum, but with the help
> of trusted advisors. At Human Code we had a board of
> directors, which met each quarter and frequently offered
> different and valuable advice utilizing other's experiences
> Why introduce confusion and exacerbate a perception of
> flightiness only to assist a branding effort which accounts
> for a scenario that never happened?
>
> It may be the case that Adobe, Macromedia, Netscape, Apple,
> Asymetrix, and other companies with strong market research
> department
For the 2 cents it's worth:
I liked the name DreamCard. The name conveyed something to me, not to
mention the fact there was already considerable branding set in place.
Most good marketing folks will tell you it takes a lot of very strong
arguments to consider changing a brand. And changing a
Dan wrote:
I agree with your basic point. It seems clear to me that RR has a branding
issue. I think they think they have solved it now. But there's a lot of
consternation about changing the name of the language to be the same as the
product and I keep waffling on that one.
IT will be nice when
Judy.
I had to laugh out loud reading your post. Not because the issue is funny,
but I had a picture in my head of you yanking out hair by the fistfuls!
I agree with your basic point. It seems clear to me that RR has a branding
issue. I think they think they have solved it now. But there's a
Well, Dan (et al.),
I suppose that I personally don't give a flying flaming figurative fig's
whatever body-part who calls what what, but...
It really would be nice if RunRev could pick a few names and STICK WITH
THEM!!!
I mean, honest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] every term I teach the course, I don't k
You know, I reacted a bit negatively at first as well. Overnight, I began to
think about it a bit more (I clearly need to get out more.)
Visual Basic is the name of the IDE and the language. Same with RealBASIC.
Then there's Borland's Delphi, which is a development environment for Object
Pascal.
Mark,
I still find
myself calling it Candlestick...
"Still"?
What do you call that older ballpark down the peninsula?
:{`)
Rob
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Lynn-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 10:04:03 PM, you wrote:
>> Saturday, April 8, 2006, 3:03:13 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> >> !!! <-- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name
>> if you think
>>
>> ...it would probably just remind me of has-been bivalves...
> Painful, Mark, that certainly was ;-)
Mark-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 7:32:05 PM, you wrote:
> No, Candlestick was re-christened Monster Park a couple of years ago,
> and the 49er's still play there. The Giants play at PacBell, aka SCC,
> aka ATT, aka ETC ETC ETC Park.
I know, but those old habits... Candlestick had some class. I've
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From: Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(Snip)
Meander thru the book store, look at the shelves and see the impact those
names have... a variety of reactions, I would imagine. The C++ primer as
thick as your arm.
Now imagine Revolution snuggled betwe
Robert,
I guess I'm just resistant to change because I'm still not that happy
about it. But after a nights sleep I am more willing to see how it
plays out for the long road. There are a lot of changes happening
lately so I assume they have a plan and are sticking to it. I guess
that's goo
Lynn
What is the thinking behind this? I am a little put off by the
change. Hypercard had hypertalk, supercard had supertalk, director
had lingo and Revolution had Transcript. I love the name transcript.
My initial reaction was the same, but after sleeping on this, I
concluded that the cha
I started calling it "Ringy Dingy Park." That way, whatever telephone/telco
conglomerate owns it, I'm right.
:-)
Dan
On 4/8/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Stephen-
>
> Saturday, April 8, 2006, 5:09:14 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Kinda like I can't say "SBC park". I always call it "PacBe
> Saturday, April 8, 2006, 3:03:13 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> !!! <-- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name
> if you think
>
> ...it would probably just remind me of has-been bivalves...
Painful, Mark, that certainly was ;-)
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Ru
There is a standing joke among locals on our island of Kauai, where
with 2 hurricanes in 20 years, hotels have changed hands and names so
many times that no one can ever remember what actual location anyone
is talking about anymore. Since the hotels are also used as
"landmarks" we have the
On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Kinda like I can't say "SBC park". I always call it "PacBell park".
You're in luck. It's "ATT park" or something these days. I still find
myself calling it Candlestick...
No, Candlestick was re-christened Monster Park a couple of years ago,
Lynn-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 3:03:13 PM, you wrote:
>> !!! <-- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name if you think
...it would probably just remind me of has-been bivalves...
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Saturday, April 8, 2006, 5:09:14 PM, you wrote:
> Kinda like I can't say "SBC park". I always call it "PacBell park".
You're in luck. It's "ATT park" or something these days. I still find
myself calling it Candlestick...
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-Mark Wieder
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On 4/8/06 5:09 PM, "Stephen Barncard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Funny about things like that, though. Think about Dan and other
> writers who have written about the language that are going to have to
> decide to replace all references in works published...
>
> or steadfastly still use the term
Funny about things like that, though. Think about Dan and other
writers who have written about the language that are going to have to
decide to replace all references in works published...
or steadfastly still use the term "Transcript"? I think, among this
bunch, this will be the case.
Kinda
> > The language is now Revolution.
>
> !!! <-- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name if you think
about it :-)
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd
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> Wow. I was surprised to see your answer that the scripting
> language Transcript is being renamed Revolution. How then
> will it be differentiated from the product? Or won't it?
> Intriguing. Not criticizing, just wondering and a bit bewildered.
This is one of those situations where the lack
Lynn
What is the thinking behind this? I am a little put off by the
change. Hypercard had hypertalk, supercard had supertalk, director
had lingo and Revolution had Transcript. I love the name transcript.
Thank you,
P.S. Congratulations on the Rev Media release.
Way to go.
Tom
On Apr 8
Lynn-
Saturday, April 8, 2006, 8:18:17 AM, you wrote:
>> Is Transcript now called Revolution as well or was it just a
>> simplification for the press?
> The language is now Revolution.
!!!
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Lynn..
Wow. I was surprised to see your answer that the scripting language
Transcript is being renamed Revolution. How then will it be differentiated
from the product? Or won't it? Intriguing. Not criticizing, just wondering
and a bit bewildered.
On 4/8/06, Lynn Fredricks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Robert,
> Nice. Are the forums intended to replace this list or as an
> additional service? I hope the latter.
http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=209#209
> Also, I find the following paragraph in the pr curious:
>
> >Step up to Revolution scripting. English-like Revolution is
> Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :)
>
> "Lynn Fredricks"
Thanks Bill!
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd
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Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :)
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Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :)
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