Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Garrett, Me and Mary Jane (the Mrs. Daniels) were talking about your situation with Constellation, etc. and I was quite hopeful you'd flourish under Constellation 2.1's UI. The elements of v2.1 aren't all that different than v1.3, but they're being used much more effectively. Mary Jane d

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On Feb 14, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: Garrett, et al., I don't think RunRev will mind us talking about Constellation on the board as they're selling it Well, it helps if I freaking update now and then! I'm using like version 1.3 here. Just updated to the latest, and this

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On Feb 14, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: This is the stuff of alternate workflows. Subtle but dramatic. And the perfect add-on sale for Revolution, if I may say so. Constellation can go as far as we can imagine it. Why not give it a shot? Best, Jerry Daniels Eh. I f

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

At 4:23 PM -0600 2/13/2006, J. Landman Gay wrote: Good points. The docs need to clearly describe the conventions that are being used when documenting the dictionary entries. As you point out, many of us are so used to these conventions that we don't even think about it any more. What you are se

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On Feb 14, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/ Yeah, bought that last year also. At the time it made things worse for me. But I haven't run it again yet, so maybe I should give it a try again. :-) Simply no comparison. As far as I'm concerned,

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Garrett, et al., I don't think RunRev will mind us talking about Constellation on the board as they're selling it now! They were always very good about that anyway. This post is in direct response to Garret's problems with finding a development environs where he feels more comfort and les

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Yes Mark, I've just seen the Rev 2.7 promos, and I thought maybe I should pour some libations to whatever gods are responsible. So tonight I'll toast the Rev people (there's probably quite a crowd so I'll have to down quite a few glasses). And between mouthfuls, pray the Mac version arrives soon.

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Ken, You must be a very powerful fellow. Others have come asking for better docs for a long, long time; years, in fact. You come and ask, and within hours, there they are. Unbelievable. :) Mark On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Ken Apthorpe wrote: All I suggest is that if RR or anyone els

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Kay C Lan wrote: About to download 2.7 with the new docs and a hope that they are a vast improvement:-) They are, they are. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On 2/14/06, Ken Apthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the tip about the scripting conference stacks, and to J. > Landman > Gay for a much clearer explanation of menuPick. Now that the Rev site is > back up, I can do some more ferreting. Oh, and if you haven't figured it out by now

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

The issue I was trying to focus on is popularity, not code efficiency. To put it another way, RR's market share. As Richard Gaskin points out, productivity is a major factor (for newbies also). As you asked, I have no background in Hypercard, Metacard, Supercard or any programming. I've used Go

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Garrett Hylltun wrote: On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: It's a question of productivity, of the tradeoffs between hand-coded tight HTML vs. rapid development. And most of the code is the same, whether generated by hand or by machine. "" is "" whether typed by hand or gener

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On Feb 13, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: One other thing. The IDE in Rev kind of throws me off also, but I believe it's due to myself having Attention Deficit Disorder. I can easily work in an IDE that is simply and editor with a few buttons and tool

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Ken Apthorpe wrote: I wanted a pulldown menu button to go into a stack menu; the submenu items are to open cards in the mainstack. The here is what the Docs say about the message for a submenu item: menuPick chosenItem[|submenuName],previousTab on menuPick theItem -- in a pulldown menu if t

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: [snip] I found, to my surprise, that professionals aren't using Dreamweaver and GoLive and are, in fact, coding by hand. I think it depends on which professionals. I haven't seen stats, but I know anecdotally that a great many professi

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Garrett Hylltun wrote: One other thing. The IDE in Rev kind of throws me off also, but I believe it's due to myself having Attention Deficit Disorder. I can easily work in an IDE that is simply and editor with a few buttons and tools that I can open and close when needed, but with Rev,

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Marty Billingsley wrote: Ken Apthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'll finish with an analogy. Back in the days when getting up a web site was all the rage, the hand coders would sneer at WSIWYG web tools like the early versions of Dreamweaver and Cyberstudio. Now what are even the professiona

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Ken Apthorpe wrote: [snip] It's the Docs that are the problem for newbies, and it's the docs that turn us away. I tried Rev in about 2003, and decided it was just too hard. I was hoping things had got a bit easier by now, but it dosn't look like it to me. [

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Ken Apthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'll finish with an analogy. Back in the days when getting up a web site > was all the rage, the hand coders would sneer at WSIWYG web tools like the > early versions of Dreamweaver and Cyberstudio. Now what are even the > professionals using? Dreamwe

Re: Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

Ken- Monday, February 13, 2006, 6:10:15 AM, you wrote: > I agree with those that say Rev needs something in addition to the tutorials > for newbies. I think they need sets of simple working examples with a > variety of script examples. When www.runrev.com comes back up, take a look at the scrip

Contrib to old topics - why isn't Rev more popular?

As you know I'm a newbie to Rev, but this gives what seems (in this forum) to be a fairly unique perspective. Most of you are either experts, or well up the curve. So maybe I can give you the perspective of a (possible) new Rev user. It's the Docs that are the problem for newbies, and it's the d

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/7/05 1:12 AM, "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: > >> Personally, I think the root cause of the problem is the inflexible >> syntax for non-built-in commands and functions. What I'd like to >> see is the ability to separate

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On Dec 2, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: Personally, I think the root cause of the problem is the inflexible syntax for non-built-in commands and functions. What I'd like to see is the ability to separate parameters with spaces as well as commas, so you could do something li

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Richard, Thanks, (grinning) I had fun with frapper. I did do a send in time message from a mouseDown that then checked for both mouseDowns and mouseUps during repeats and if neither existed then it stopped the loop. That part was fine and worked like a charm. The part that would have been

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Thomas McGrath III, before get started I want to thank you for posting your pics to frappr. Your two pictures are a great compliment to one another: one looks like the serious philosopher, the other like a kid having so much fun he might burst. Good stuff. :) This hit home with me, as I've

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> > I haven't used M.Y.O.B. in years, but recall it being a good program. > > > > But I'm surprised neither of these has ever asked you to tell them what > > printing you're using. > > > Just for the record, I've used MYOB for years as my accounting program, > and it puts up the print job dialog be

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Richard, I really enjoyed the rest of your response. I agree that the vertical markets are just at the tip of the iceberg. I have found a very nice spot in my work and am trying to expand my understanding of how to approach a larger market with it. Rev has proved itself as a very useful t

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Hershel Fisch wrote: On 12/5/05 10:20 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Business" is pretty broad, and no doubt one could defined it in ways that might make Rev look insufficient. E.g. A heavy distribution wholesaler, accounting package, a big retailer The medical software I'

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Hershel Fisch wrote: On 12/6/05 11:55 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I haven't used M.Y.O.B. in years, but recall it being a good program. But I'm surprised neither of these has ever asked you to tell them what printing you're using. Just for the r

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/6/05 11:55 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> >> I haven't used M.Y.O.B. in years, but recall it being a good program. >> >> But I'm surprised neither of these has ever asked you to tell them what >> printing you're using. > > > Just for the rec

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> Discussion of suitability in such general terms is totally pointless. If you have something very specific in mind, lay out the specs and people will tell you whether it is possible and what the bottlenecks will be. Revolution is no less and no more suitable for business applications than

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/6/05 12:18 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jerry Saperstein wrote: >> Unremarkably > > ...yet he goes on to remark: > >> those who have been the quickest to flame me appear to >> be those with pecuniary interest of one sort or another in Revolution, >> whether as investor

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/5/05 11:06 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow! What an amazing set of conclusions for anyone to reach! > > I've searched the mailing list archives for your name and haven't > found any previous posts from you, but I guess you must have been > lurking for several years in

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/5/05 10:20 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jerry Saperstein wrote: > > >> But your point is valid: Revolution is not well suited for business >> needs. > > "Business" is pretty broad, and no doubt one could defined it in ways > that might make Rev look insufficient. E.

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/5/05 10:16 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Personally I don't think Revolution is suitable for such >> applications and no one here has actually provided unassailable evidence >> that Revolution has been used for such. >> >> Jerry > > Do you really believe it or ar

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Thanks, Sarah I will try to explain it a little later under a different thread, "how do I..." Hershel > > Well I think there is enough eveidence on this list to suggest that > what you are trying to do can be done, but we need more information > from you before we can "prove" it in your particular

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Richard Gaskin wrote: I haven't used M.Y.O.B. in years, but recall it being a good program. But I'm surprised neither of these has ever asked you to tell them what printing you're using. Just for the record, I've used MYOB for years as my accounting program, and it puts up the print job d

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Just had to say I know I like a *bit* of a moan now and then, hey this is *way* over the top! I have just one question: "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?" Think everyone one should take a chill-pill comptemplate 1200 baud modems for a while! All the Best Dave __

Printing limitations [was Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:00:58 -0800, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] In OS X, Mac Classic, and Windows, it's common to define the parameters for the print job in the Print window, with some settings defined in Page Setup. Rev gives you access to both: answer printer -

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Man, This list is really getting corny... No more talk about xtalk or rev stuff. It's been 3 weeks im deleting nearly every message in my 3 mailboxes (and the new spam)... Business applications? Man, i run a bank's storage systems with rev for some 2000 users everyday since 5 years!!! Never a ch

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Hi Jerry and all others, As you know it, I never reply to mails about "Rev philosophy" or "criticism". And I am very happy that all that occurred when we slept in Europe :-) All that can go round in circles a very long time, going on spoiling this list. The clever will be the first to stop

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

TED] On Behalf Of Stephen Barncard Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:52 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? It appears that our friend Jerry Saperstein hates everyone and everything. Maybe in the 'business' too long... >It seems he likes the word zealot

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

It appears that our friend Jerry Saperstein hates everyone and everything. Maybe in the 'business' too long... It seems he likes the word zealot. A little research shows many complaints and insults on all kinds of forums and lists. Web Quote: "By all means, though, avoid Apple,. While individ

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry, you seem to have a major attitude problem. You don't get it at all and your 'disgruntled customer' bit doesn't really flow here. Everyone else has been pretty nice I think -- the only real FLAMER here seems to be you!! Stop the bad vibes now - go troll somewhere else, please. sqb

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry Saperstein wrote: Whatever Chipp's intent was with regard to whom he sent his posting, there can be no doubt of his intention to defame. My intent, childish as it seems now, was to tease you about your own product shortcomings *privately*. I am sorry for that. It was never to defame. I

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:50:55 -0600 From: "Jerry Saperstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Why isn't Rev more popular? I've asked the folks at RunTime to honor their promise of a refund. Hmm, another one threatening to leave me alone! Somebody wh

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

You're wrong yet again: If Chipp's intent was NOT to post to the list, as he stated, then there was NO intent to defame, despite your claim of mindreading abilities. And, I didn't attack you personally, only your posting to flame Chipp, for ostensibly flaming you, for which he apologized. You si

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Because, Chipp was wrong to have replied to the list rather than to you personally. And he apologized. Presumably (because you haven't stated otherwise), you KNEW that you were defaming to the list... and did so anyway. I still don't see your morally superior point. Judy On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Je

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

ubject: RE: Why isn't Rev more popular? And, what you're doing is somehow better? I doubt it... At least Chipp had the decency to apologize; you apparently lack even that. Judy On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Jerry Saperstein wrote: > > Sure, Chipp. I bet. > > Just a little a

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

It seems he likes the word zealot. A little research shows many complaints and insults on all kinds of forums and lists. Web Quote: "By all means, though, avoid Apple,. While individual users tend to be zealots, the company occupies its miniscule market share for many valid reasons." Web

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry, FontBank™, aside, what experimentation with Rev did you do? What problems did you encounter? Were you looking for a solution in Forensics like EnCase™? Or is this something for the Great Discussions forum? Quote: "It is eminently possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Agg

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

And, what you're doing is somehow better? I doubt it... At least Chipp had the decency to apologize; you apparently lack even that. Judy On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Jerry Saperstein wrote: > > Sure, Chipp. I bet. > > Just a little acccident that happens to attempt to defame me. > > Y

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

While I do not produce commercial apps, still I find the following below two statements, taken together as part of a larger argument, incoherent/incomprehensible: On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Jerry Saperstein wrote: > Many of these failed products still have their > adherents years after the product faile

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry, My apologies for my tackless and inappropriate post to the list. It truly was an accident as I used 'reply' to get to a paragraph from which to comment. Please excuse me, and I will be glad to answer or discuss *any* questions you may have regarding Revolution. Just so you know, our

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry, Yes, I have been lurking here for months reading the messages on a daily basis. Some of the problems I've encountered in my experimentation with Revolution have indeed been answered here without a need on my part to ask a question. Yes, I purchased Revolution with a specific pur

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? OOPS, that was supposed to go directly to Jerry. Our 'tit for tat' personal thread will hopefully be resolved by Altuit refunding him money for ButtonGadget. Sorry list for the OT post. My bad :-( -Chipp Chip

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

ou dare give voice to your concerns, big bad Chipp walters will slime you. What a joke you are. Jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chipp Walters Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:59 PM To: How to use Revolution; [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry Saperstein wrote: Unremarkably ...yet he goes on to remark: those who have been the quickest to flame me appear to be those with pecuniary interest of one sort or another in Revolution, whether as investors, developers of Revolution based tools or vendors of third-party products and ser

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

OOPS, that was supposed to go directly to Jerry. Our 'tit for tat' personal thread will hopefully be resolved by Altuit refunding him money for ButtonGadget. Sorry list for the OT post. My bad :-( -Chipp Chipp Walters wrote: You wouldn't be the Jerry Saperstein of Font Bank fame who was accus

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Hershel Fisch wrote: On 12/5/05 7:17 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Styles"? What do you want to do? Meaning, color or gray scale on color printers, print quality on inkjets; best, normal or draft, orientation; portrait or landscape and so on. Selecting a printer goes along

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

You wouldn't be the Jerry Saperstein of Font Bank fame who was accussed back in the 90's of stealing clipart intellectual property and reselling it...would you? If so, how'd that turn out? http://www.60-seconds.com/articles/54.html Just wondering. -Chipp Jerry Saperstein wrote: I'

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

rry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Reichelt Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:06 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? Wow! What an amazing set of conclusions for anyone to reach! I've searched t

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Wow! What an amazing set of conclusions for anyone to reach! I've searched the mailing list archives for your name and haven't found any previous posts from you, but I guess you must have been lurking for several years in order to feel competent to make such sweeping statements. > Critici

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

I don't make commercial apps for sale but I do write prototypes for development on PDAs and cell phones. Revolution does exactly what I need to make a living with it as our primary tool. Tom P.S. I don't see why you need to be rude calling "if monks" a plaything and ButtonGadget a trivia

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Personally I don't think Revolution is suitable for such applications and no one here has actually provided unassailable evidence that Revolution has been used for such. Jerry Do you really believe it or are you just saying it to heat up the discussion? Discussion of suitability in su

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry Saperstein wrote: Criticism of Revolution generally apparently is generally disapproved of here. I've seen a number of valid criticisms dismissed in the same way as yours have been. Criticism of specific features is often valid and usually results in two responses, neither of wh

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry, I wrote both eXpertSystem (based upon IdeaFisher, but NOT Ideafisher, which is probably what you downloaded and crashed) and ButtonGadget. Interesting is your incorrect assessment that ButtonGadget was trivial. It took many more hours of programming than eXpertSystem. BTW, we have lite

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

has been used for such. Jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hershel Fisch Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:50 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? > Thanks, Hershel Fisch >> >&g

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> >> Or if wanted to add a timer constant running from when the application is > >> launched. > > > > Timers work well. You might givem 'em a try. > > What do you want to do? > > Maybe I don't know how to use it, but for what I need it I don¹t see a way > it should work. E.g. My app. Gets turned o

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> Thanks, Hershel Fisch >> >>> Rev is not at the state of being used for commercial business applications. >> And I forgot to mention the lacking of a normal table fld lets not discuss it because my blood pressure goes up. By the way thanks to "altuit" saved my life and the reporting thanks to J

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/5/05 7:17 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, First of all I appreciate every body's comments, I definitely wasn't trying to be some sort of nasty or ... > Hershel Fisch wrote: >> And then what's going to be,if a professional programmer can't even write a >> simple print wit

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Hershel Fisch wrote: And then what's going to be,if a professional programmer can't even write a simple print without the user should have to intervene to choose printers and styles and and "Styles"? What do you want to do? Or if wanted to add a timer constant running from when the appl

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> And then what's going to be,if a professional programmer can't even write a > simple print without the user should have to intervene to choose printers > and styles and and > Or if wanted to add a timer constant running from when the application is > launched. > Rev is good for games or so.

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On 12/5/05 2:05 PM, "Hershel Fisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And then what's going to be,if a professional programmer can't even write a > simple print without the user should have to intervene to choose printers > and styles and and > Or if wanted to add a timer constant running from wh

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On Dec 5, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: And then what's going to be,if a professional programmer can't even write a simple print without the user should have to intervene to choose printers and styles and and Or if wanted to add a timer constant running from when the applica

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> > Well said, Bob! Getting Rev into the "sounds familiar" category would be > good first step - but that means having it either marketed more > aggressively, or it means getting in through the "back door". And then what's going to be,if a professional programmer can't even write a simple print

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Thank you for pointing that out. I am totally in favor of it; if I had any votes I would vote for it. Charles On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Charles- Sunday, December 4, 2005, 10:37:41 AM, you wrote: This discussion got me thinking about how Transcript does handle "is", a

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Charles- Sunday, December 4, 2005, 10:37:41 AM, you wrote: > This discussion got me thinking about how Transcript does handle > "is", and I realized they get away with what looks deceptively like > English-style ambiguity by sneakily including (and distinguishing > carefully!) "is" and "is a" a

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Richard- Sunday, December 4, 2005, 10:05:35 AM, you wrote: > Meanwhile, even English has its glaring absences, like having no > singular third-party gender-independent pronoun, leaving us to invent > works like "s/he" or awkwardly using the plural "they" instead. it? -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PR

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: I have to agree with Sarah. I often want to see if a string doesn't contain another string. where I always feel you should be able to use something like: if myVar does not contain "fred" This would mean adding "does" to the Transcript dic

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Jerry Daniels wrote: I have to agree with Sarah. I often want to see if a string doesn't contain another string. While there is a mysterious absence of "does not contain" to complimenty "contains", you can use "is not in" and "is in" for the same purposes. Meanwhile, even English has its gl

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

I have to agree with Sarah. I often want to see if a string doesn't contain another string. -Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com/products On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Yes, I know the alternatives, it's just that as we were discus

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Yes, I know the alternatives, it's just that as we were discussing the limitations of Transcript's Englishness, I thought I would mention one place where it seems inconsistent. Sarah On 12/4/05, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could use: > > if "fred" is not in myVar then... > > ?

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

You could use: if "fred" is not in myVar then... ? Sarah Reichelt wrote: ...and that, of course, is the problem with Transcript being "English-like"... you tend to think that it *should* respond to English commands. In English hide field "xxx"and if field "xxx" is hidden The one that

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Hi Sarah, As all of you know that I'm not an English speaker, it's probably the reason why if not myVar contains "fred" suits me ;-) Le 3 déc. 05 à 23:49, Sarah Reichelt a écrit : The one that always irks me is "contains" and it's opposite. if myVar contains "fred" This is simple and o

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

> ...and that, of course, is the problem with Transcript being > "English-like"... you tend to think that it *should* respond to > English commands. In English > > hide field "xxx"and > if field "xxx" is hidden > The one that always irks me is "contains" and it's opposite. if myVar contains

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Marty- Friday, December 2, 2005, 9:46:20 PM, you wrote: > With regard to my previous post, students think that if they can say > hide field "xxx" > then they ought to be able to say > if field "xxx" is hidden ... > or > if field "xxx" is invisible ... > or > if field "xxx" is not visible.

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

"Preston Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Saying "if the visible of myObject is true," may sound a bit > funny at first but it is very English like. Putting "the" before > "visible" turns an adjective into a noun. Perfectly logical in a > language that has no problems with "the running of the

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

Richard, WOW. That's very nice. Is this link to the web interface listed on the Rev site? I was unaware of it. BTW, I emailed you about doing an article on Constellation. Maybe it got misdirected or lost. Best, Jerry http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm Scripts and pro

why isn't Rev more popular

Saying "if the visible of myObject is true," may sound a bit funny at first but it is very English like. Putting "the" before "visible" turns an adjective into a noun. Perfectly logical in a language that has no problems with "the running of the Kentucky Derby" and a fine way to refer to a prope

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

There is nothing wrong with these topics that diverge from the focus of the list. The problem is that since it is being delivers in the form of a list its not as easy from people to ignore topics they are not interested in. Steve Jim Ault wrote: On 12/2/05 6:18 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

One of the things I like about a web board interface is being able to mark a thread ans as subcribed and then receiving email notices whenever there is a post. Ideally though I would probably use a news reader such as gravity and let it highlight topics I am participating in. To me the mailin

Transcript staying English-like [was Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?]

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:50:53 -0800, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] but still, the point is that verbose syntax helps in my situation. So I'll continue to support its use. Earlier, Scott had written I don't know, Charles. Being a design-as-a-first-language, programming-

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Marty- > > Friday, December 2, 2005, 12:34:39 PM, you wrote: > > > My (young) students find this difficult. There are many ways in which > > Transcript could be even more english-like. > > Yes, but I'm not sure English is something to strive for. At leas

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

On Dec 2, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: But I suggest that the "natural language" feature is much more a mnemonic aid than an aid to initial comprehension. I'm not sure I agree. I learned HyperTalk first, and the English- like features helped tremendously in initial comprehension

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Yes of course, so would I. But I suggest that the "natural language" feature is much more a mnemonic aid than an aid to initial comprehension. And if that's true, then (as my own experience seems to be) the advantages of it aren't really for the rank beginner, as we sometimes think, but for

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

Janus, Transcript has the abbreviated terms like "card,cd or background,bg" like in Hypercard, and the syntax has a lot of the same variations, but Transcript is a bit less forgiving with some forms that can become ambiguous when leaving out "the". However, I have never run into a proble

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

On 12/2/05 6:18 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since the use-rev list isn't used much for discussing how to use Rev > anymore, should we make an > opinions-about-how-other-people-should-run-their-company list so we have > a place to talk about using Rev? Yep. Jim Ault Las Vegas

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

Richard, I think it's important to note that gmane offers not just a "web interface" to the Use-Rev list, but also an NNTP feed. I've been using their NNTP interface; while it is a little slow at posting, I think I've got it sorted out now and I'm positively delighted. On your links page, I th

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

Jerry Daniels wrote: There's no conflict that i can see. Why vote? Why not have both? And we do, now linked to the top of the revJournal Links page: Prior to the formation of the web interfaces to this list we had nearly a hundred posts on the subject. T

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