Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Is it really sad? It is just my opinion, but what OFBiz really needs is a more flexible structure... though not how that would work exactly. One case in point is my decision to start and independent effort to create a redesigned and more modern framework, and refine the data model and services

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

This really isn't the place to discuss Moqui Framework and related projects. This mailing list is about OFBiz. Please contact me directly if you'd like to discuss this, either on LinkedIn, the Moqui SourceForge project, or by email (my contact info is easy to find... even from this email). -Da

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

All I know is I'm more confused than ever, and that's saying something because I'm always a bit of a drooler. For the time being, I hitch my business wagon to neither project. My business is lucky that way, being at the moment completely ERPa derpa it will be able to adapt to one or the other (or

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

This is truly a nice thread. With lots of assumptions and veiled accusations of hardened viewpoints... The other must change for my benefit (that is what I perceive)... But let us bring in some perspective: - SAP r/3 was launched in 2002 and was/is an

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

ERP systems are complex, but implementations are often large and complex mostly due to inadequate tools and practices, and generally poor organization, resulting in large volume of code that is highly redundant and inflexible. It doesn't HAVE to be this way, it just usually is. If the discussi

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

I agree and disagree. If anyone could create a full blown ERP using Moqui, David could do it. After all he has already managed to do it once, but yes, it is (probably) years away. However, I have no idea of it's current state. Regarding the current imperfections of OFBIZ: All large software pr

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

I have to second Adrian's opinion on this: >From my perspective Moqui is a rather lost cause. Not because I am not impressed by David's work, but rather because it is years away from becoming an actual thing. From an industry perspective it is difficult if not almost impossible to implement an ER

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Ejaz, You inadvertedly, and probably unintentionally, misinterpreted my postings in the mail thread regarding the framework refactoring as an endorsement to change over to Moqui. Please reread the thread to get your fact straightened. See http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Framework-Refactor-Revis

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

On 3/7/2014 11:24 PM, Ejaz Ahmed wrote: Adrian, Just few questions from your earlier emails in developer mailing list: My preference would be to create a branch and start building things out there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound design prin

RE: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Adrian, Just few questions from your earlier emails in developer mailing list: >My preference would be to create a branch and start building things out >there - with the help of others. The goal would be to start over from >scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from th

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Cool, thanks for the information and for the framework contribution. One thing I do like is Moqui's public domain non-license arrangement with potential users (my opinion is that IP stands for Imaginary Property). If that project wanted to use your type conversion framework (or anything else from

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

On 3/7/2014 11:58 AM, Skip wrote: I am sure Moqui is a fine framework, but I must agree with Adrian. Yes, lets all just abandon hundreds of man-years of work and start from scratch. I don't know about most of you, but I derive most of my income servicing EXISTING Ofbiz derived works. Specifical

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Maybe we should separate passionate hyperbole from facts. There is no "old technology" in OFBiz. We keep the project up to date with the latest libraries. The project has always supported user-replaceable components, so if a portion of the OFBiz framework doesn't meet your needs, then you are

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

> > -Original Message- > From: Adrian Crum [mailto:adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:24 AM > To: user@ofbiz.apache.org > Subject: Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui > > > Switching OFBiz to a different framework has been discu

RE: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

ass-software.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:24 AM To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui Switching OFBiz to a different framework has been discussed in the past, and I brought up the subject again in a recent thread on the dev mailing list. At this time, th

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

I just found out about Moqui, but I refuse to sign up for LinkedIn so I won't be joining that community anytime soon. Pity party for me, I suppose. Considering how I'm just barely getting on board with the whole "ERP/E-Commerce framework" thing, I'd prefer to start off with the latest up-and-comi

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

And BTW, I need to emphasize that I do not think the PMC has been selfish in their actions. They have added untold value to OFBiz. If I had made the sacrifices that they have made, I would be hesitant to entertain notions that would detract from that value. I just happen to think that when looked a

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Adrian, I think that you have summed up the situation in your succinct post - there are some service providers who are heavily invested in this project and it is their concern for their own interests that is guiding OFBiz. Someone new looking at OFBiz should lament the fact that so much applicatio

Re: Reposting from David Jones on Moqui

Switching OFBiz to a different framework has been discussed in the past, and I brought up the subject again in a recent thread on the dev mailing list. At this time, there are some PMC members who are opposed to the idea, so I don't see any hope for switching to Moqui in this project. If anyon