Hi,
the real question is whether you really need your your application to
handle compression. Compression is normally independant from the
application and should be handled on another layer.
I would delegate this task to the HTTP-Server (e.g., using mod_gzip on
apache) or, if for some reason this
Hi,
Can you suggest how to use the logic tag library to achieve the following
scenario.
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In my Action class I expect few Exceptions to be thrown. Incase if a
Hi!
It's been suggested to not continue using the Struts own tag libraries and
instead move on to the JSTL. With them, I'd construct the following for
your scenario:
<%@ taglib prefix="c" uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/core"; %>
your content
your con
Curtis Taylor wrote:
What's the <%=header%> expression do? You've already closed the
bean:include tag.
Good question; I've been using Struts for about a week... I'll freely
admit this is copied from recipe 3.5 in "Struts Recipes" by Franciscus &
Gurovich. Using or not using <%=header%> doesn't
If you look at the exception, it is saying that you are having a PKI
configuration issue. It looks like you do not have your Certificate
Authority (CA) configured. Your error appears similar to this error:
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=573918&tstart=60
You need to have some u
Bryan and Angela wrote:
If you look at the exception, it is saying that you are having a PKI
configuration issue. It looks like you do not have your Certificate
Authority (CA) configured. Your error appears similar to this error:
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=573918&tstart=60
Does anyone have an idea on this? I am trying to create a
LazyValidatorForm object in code
--- Norris Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FormBeanConfig cfg =
> mapping.getModuleConfig().findFormBeanConfig(name);
> form =(DynaActionForm)
>
DynaActionFormClass.createDynaActionFormClass(cfg).newIn
Yeah, someone from commons-dev fixed it about 8 p.m. last night. :)
Erik
Andrew Hill wrote:
Works for me. Probably just a temporary glitch?
Erik Weber wrote:
This is the only Apache list to which I subscribe, so sorry for the OT.
I am trying to download HttpClient 3.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/
I wonder if this has anything to do with what Joe Germuska explained
in a different thread:
"This is because the BeanUtils library *does* register a standard
converter for java.sql.Timestamp (as well as java.sql.Time and
java.sql.Date) but *does not* register a standard converter for
java.util.Dat
Hello,
I am creating a shopping cart application where each web-user has a
shoppingcart/userobject in their session. The problem is, unlike most software
I create, there is no userlogin. I would like to be able to show them a jsp
page that states when their session has expired, and that they wil
Hello,
I'm a bit lost with the way am supposed to create a link using informations
stored in the actionform in a JSP page.
I looked at the html:link but it looks like you can only extract the part
after the '?' from the actionForm.
I was thinking about simply using a classical jsp tags after s
At 11:40 AM +0100 2/23/05, Karsten Krieg wrote:
Hi!
It's been suggested to not continue using the Struts own tag libraries and
instead move on to the JSTL. With them, I'd construct the following for
your scenario:
while this is a good general suggestion, neither tag library makes it
easy to deal w
Is the URL entered by a user or does it come from the system? If it
comes from the system (as you seem to indicate), I wouldn't store it
in the ActionForm at all. Store it as a request attribute, then use
standard methods (JSTL or or even a scriptlet if you're
feeling rebellious) to write it out
The URL comes as a result of form filled by user A.
This is then stored in system.
Later, User B show the same form as user A in edit mode.
An additionnal section appear showing the link to the ressource created by A.
As those forms maps datas from a workflow it's quite cumbersome to put all
th
delbd wrote:
But i'd really like to know how
i am supposed to access my actionform in jsp. Can't find any doc on it. And
bean:write request the name of the bean to use. It does not seems to default
to the actionform. So the basic question is simply, where on hell is this
actionform??
I alw
I've never been completely sure of the answer to this question myself,
so I just took a dive through the source code for
RequestProcessor.processActionForm(). It looks like, by default, it
just stores it as a request-scoped attribute with the name of the
ActionForm itself. You can override this b
Thanks for your help. I changed the type to java.sql.Timestamp and my
problem went away.
I'm still having a tough time getting Hibernate to
prevent 2 users from changing the same data. For any kind souls who
know about such things, I've written up my problem on the hibernate
forum.
http://foru
Hi,
I'm trying to create a form which uses indexed properties.
My bean has two (amongst others) methods:
public List getCost() {
return cost;
}
public String getCost(int index) {
return (String) cost.get(index);
}
In the form i use the above:
And it is all fi
I do exactly the same kind of thing with a site. All actions extend
BaseAction which extends Action, and implement executeAction, not execute.
The (relevant)code for BaseAction:
abstract public class BaseAction extends Action {
public ActionForward execute(ActionMapping mapping, ActionForm f
createDynActionFormClass(FormBeanConfig) is only for DynaActionForm and its
derivatives - LazyValidatorForm isn't a DynaActionForm (its an ActionForm
thats a DynaBean, but not a DynaActionForm).
If you want to create any kind of ActionForm, then call the FormBeanConfig's
createActionForm() method.
Are you using JDK 1.4? JDK 1.4 will ignore the getCost() method that returns
a java.util.List, if you change it to an array then it will consider that
method part of the indexed property and everything will probably work. It
probably would work under JDK 1.3, but Sun tightened up on how it treats
i
Hi Don,
A quick google indicated that you're the man, when it comes to
struts-flow. Thanks for the effort. No dis intended if I said anything
annoying. As for the documentation, the cocoon site had plenty of it.
I mainly asked because:
1) there seem to be two projects which perform similar functi
ah ha.
jdk 1.4.2 :)
Well, i noticed that a similar method was working... and the trick was to
give them different names:
public List getCostList() {
return cost;
}
public String getCost(int index) {
return (String) cost.get(index);
}
This way,
${multipleProgrammes
I have the following piece of code :
<% if (myform.getFlag()) { %>
<% } else { %>
<% } %>
The above gives the error:
Unterminated in my jsp- so not sure what this error is about. If
I remove the condition above , it works.
Can anyone throw some light on this issue.
Thanks
<%
org.apache.struts.action.ActionMapping mapping = null;
mapping = (org.apache.struts.action.ActionMapping)
request.getAttribute("org.apache.struts.action.mapping.instance");
%>
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From: Nandita Rajagopalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, F
Try to do this:
action1
action2
I have the following piece of code :
<% if (myform.getFlag()) { %>
<% } else { %>
<% } %>
The above gives the error:
Unterminated
There is a in my jsp- so not sure what this error is about. If
I remove the condition above , it works.
Can anyone throw
Hi,
as it seems the replacementValues of ActionMessage get not localized by
Struts. This is pretty ok for most cases, because normally you pass a
paramter like username to a message. But i need to pass a localized
replacementValue to ActionMessage.
Whats the best way to do it? I am in the valid
At 9:51 AM -0600 2/23/05, Bill Milbratz wrote:
Hi Don,
A quick google indicated that you're the man, when it comes to
struts-flow. Thanks for the effort. No dis intended if I said anything
annoying. As for the documentation, the cocoon site had plenty of it.
I mainly asked because:
1) there seem to
I'm not familiar with Struts workflow, but I'd venture to say there is
no "right" one for all cases. Take a simple wizard and implement it
in both. See which one works better for you and your programming
style. If possible, report back to the list with your findings as it
would be useful informa
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:46:06 -0600, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm generally interested in workflow solutions, but haven't had time
> to review the libraries nor the urgency to develop my own. With all
> due respect to Don, when I asked one of my developers to use
> struts-flow for
Awesome, Thanks!
>-- Original Message --
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:30:38 -0600
>To: "Mark Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>"Struts-Users"
>From: Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: java.util.Date vs java.sql.Timestamp
>
>
>At 2:25 PM -050
I've spent the last couple of hours trying to debug a page with mapped
properties.
I found a section of the faq about it:
http://struts.apache.org/faqs/indexedprops.html
It says:
"The signature of the "get" and "set" methods for a mapped property are
different from the same methods for an indexed
At 5:36 PM + 2/23/05, Daniel Perry wrote:
I've spent the last couple of hours trying to debug a page with mapped
properties.
I found a section of the faq about it:
http://struts.apache.org/faqs/indexedprops.html
It says:
"The signature of the "get" and "set" methods for a mapped property are
di
FYI
FOR ALL OF YOU WHO TRIED TO HELP WITH THIS ERROR YESTERDAY.
THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED..
INVALID-NON WORKING
VALID-WORKING
boy did this _iss me off.
thanks,
Eric D. Lemle
Senior Programmer / Analyst
Intermountain Health Care
36 South State Street, Suite 1100
Salt Lake City
Yeah, I've actually experienced that too, didn't dawn on me this time
though. I'm not sure why it's a problem, although if I had to guess I
would think the browser is interpreting the first as an unclosed
block because it doesn't understand the /> at the end.
Glad you got it in any case :)
Remi
The W3C lists this in their HTML compatibility guidelines for XHTML:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html/#C_3
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:41:33 -0500 (EST), Frank W. Zammetti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, I've actually experienced that too, didn't dawn on me this time
> though. I'm not sure why it's a pro
Fantastic. Someone had showed me something similar earlier, but
I was hung-up on the servlet parameter. I did not know that it
was already available in the action.
Thanks so much.
--- Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> createDynActionFormClass(FormBeanConfig) is only for
> DynaAction
Hi there, sorry if this is too OT, but I was wondering if anybody knew
of a reputable source that might give me some idea of how much of
current development is in java (jsp, servlets), asp, asp.net, etc,
etc.Perhaps there's some good articles on developing trends somewhere?
TIA,
J
---
I have two questions regarding this
topic. Thanks in advance for any advise!!
Scott
http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsCatalogHidingPagesUnderWEBINF
1) Is this a widely practiced?
2) I am having trouble finding my style sheet.
I have put it in the WEB-INF/style directory but still it is
This is an impossible question to answer. Why? Let me give you an example:
I looked at some stats a few years ago around databases - we were
considering SQL Server, Oracle and DB2. Oracle had the most
transactions being processed. DB2 had the most data stored. SQL Server
had the most servers. So,
One example of
3) Statistics
kinf of a lie is this site:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/04/10/java_servlet_engines.html
.V
Larry Meadors wrote:
You have probaly heard that there are 3 kinds of lies:
1) Lies
2) Damn lies
3) Statistics
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:59:25 -, jelything <[EMAIL PRO
Quite a few people seem to do this. Quite a few people do not. I
think it qualifies as "widely practiced".
As for the stylesheets, the browser won't be able to pull them out of
WEB-INF. (That's the point of "hiding" things under WEB-INF.)
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:02:30 -0600, Burns, Scott <[EMA
Right, js, css, and image files don't belong under web-inf.
--
Voytek Jarnot
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:27 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Hiding pages under WEB-INF
>
>
> Quite a few people
Jarnot Voytek Contr AU/SC wrote:
> Right, js, css, and image files don't belong under web-inf.
I know someone who will disagree vigorously (where are you D.J.?!?) :)
Seriously though, many people DO use this technique, and you can in fact
put everything under it, even the js, css, img, etc. conten
Very cool and thanks!!
Scott
-Original Message-
From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:38 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Hiding pages under WEB-INF
Jarnot Voytek Contr AU/SC wrote:
> Right, js, css, and image files don't
What would be the benefits to doing this? (just curious)
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:37:45 -0500, Frank W. Zammetti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, something like:
>
>
>
> ... will call your Action, which presumably retrieves the referenced
> image and returns it. You can do this for stylesheet
> What would be the benefits to doing this? (just curious)
Control access to items for security and statistics for example
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Jeff Beal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 22:42
> An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTEC
> What would be the benefits to doing this? (just curious)
Control access to items for security and statistics for example
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Jeff Beal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 22:42
> An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTEC
Forgive me for coming off as incredibly dense here:
I'm not sure what a BeanInfo class is or how it fits into the whole
struts-el-action-form arrangement of things, so I'm not sure where to go from
here. I have verified that my taglibs are correct and in place, that the
struts and struts-el JA
I've been meaning to ask a related question. Do people do this for
absolutely *every* page? In particular, what about help pages, FAQs,
etc. that have no processing needed?
Jeff Beal wrote:
Quite a few people seem to do this. Quite a few people do not. I
think it qualifies as "widely practic
I understand the security benefits for a JSP page, but are there any
for CSS pages, JS files, or images? What does it help with
statistics?
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:44:37 +0100, Leon Rosenberg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What would be the benefits to doing this? (just curious)
>
> Control acc
Hi all!
I´m trying struts validation framework and I would like to know if
there is a way to tell Struts to include only javascripts functions
needed by a particular JSP. I have noticed that Struts adds every rule
configured in validator-rules in each generated HTML and this makes
pages too much he
I hide JSPs under WEB-INF, but I leave my images, .css and .js files
outside so they can be served by the web server.
I use forwards in struts to handle url rewriting, instead of linking
directly to the css from a .jsp eg
Unless there is a reason (eg restricted access etc) I wouldn't use an
> I understand the security benefits for a JSP page, but are
> there any for CSS pages, JS files, or images? What does it
> help with statistics?
Some people/sites restricts access to some images (and other things), as
they could
contain some information worth protection.
As for statistics: Y
> I understand the security benefits for a JSP page, but are
> there any for CSS pages, JS files, or images? What does it
> help with statistics?
Some people/sites restricts access to some images (and other things), as
they could
contain some information worth protection.
As for statistics: Y
I'm not an advocate of this approach, so I'm not sure I'm the one to
answer this question... Where is Dakota Jack when we need him?!? ;)
That being said...
Aside from the obvious security benefits, I often here caching as a big
reason. Jack and I had a debate two weeks or so ago about whether s
I've heard of people storing all but one entry page (which would be
needed at a minimum no matter what). I'm not sure what the typical
answer is from people that use this technique though.
--
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
Neil
Yep, that was part of my argument to Dakota Jack as I recall... Then
again, in some situations one could see it as being quite advantageous
to always get a fresh copy from the server, and this approach should
ensure that.
Good point about the security considerations... In fact, I seem to
remem
You don't have to statically include all the JavaScript in each page.
You can use a dynamic include, allowing the JavaScript to cache in the
browser instead.
See the dynamicJavascript and staticJavascript attributes of the Struts
html:javascript tag.
-Max
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 18:52 -0300, Maria
Ever wondered if there is any software at all that holds the promise?
Well, I found one:
http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/index.php
Regards
Leon
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Ever wondered if there is any software at all that holds the promise?
Well, I found one:
http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/index.php
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Leon
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I'd have to say not really ;o) ... Though I'm sure you could probably
prevent hotlinking and whatever else if you did. Personally I don't
think its worth the bother.
Note: If you put resources that the user requires behind the WEB-INF
folder (i.e. JS, CSS, images, etc.) you will have to write so
Oops... I slightly misread the last post, though most of what I said
is still relevant.
Here's the link I mentioned: http://www.junlu.com/msg/143431.html
And to answer your question about site statistics: As all requests for
resources will go through an action (see link) you could for example
inc
It takes about 3-6 months to write a book, and about 4-6 months to have
it published once you submit it.
.V
Christian Hauser wrote:
I don't know when Struts 1.3 will be released and when your book
finally gets printed, but please do not talk about an old version the
way "Struts in Action" talke
Very detailed answer by Jack, as usual :-)
I miss the point making this class an action instead of a servlet.
I think the "return null;" at the end is ugly, and
as I told before, action is the slowest option, and you want to deliver
css and images really fast, since they just block connections
Very detailed answer by Jack, as usual :-)
I miss the point making this class an action instead of a servlet.
I think the "return null;" at the end is ugly, and
as I told before, action is the slowest option, and you want to deliver
css and images really fast, since they just block connections
Hi pple,
Suppose I want to use struts code from my java classes and then ask
the jspWriter to print it,
eg. out.println("test");
the struts tag does not get translated into html. Is there a way to
get print struts code from java code properly?
thank you
---
Hi,
Is there any way to have html:option parse JSTL sql:query results
for a dropdown? I have a form containing a drop-down that is populated
by a database. My hope is that I could use to walk
through it, and if the id matches the value of the Form, pre-select that
value.
Is this possibl
After download and installation, nothing happens.
What is the purpose of installation if it does nothing.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:46:45 +0100, Leon Rosenberg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ever wondered if there is any software at all that holds the promise?
> Well, I found one:
>
> http://www.bern
Exactly!
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel PC Leung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] [FUN] Software
The following class extends Tiles Controller class.
After user logins, it cannot get the value of login username from the
class LoginForm. How can I change the code so that it can get the
value of login username?
Thnx
public void perform (ComponentContext context,
Oh my god! I am cheated.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:34:51 -0500, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exactly!
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> EdgeTech, Inc.
> 678.910.8017
> AIM: jmitchtx
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daniel PC Leung" <
Hi,
Does anyone know of a validator for Javascript. Something along the line
of html validator at
http://validator.w3.org/
- Jim
The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely
for the addres
aI feel dumb because, for one moment, I BELIEVED you were that dumb. Sorry
(for both of us). LOL.
-David
-Original Message-
From: Daniel PC Leung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:43 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] [FUN] Software that works
LMAO :P
--
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Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
- Original Message -
From: "David G. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] [FUN] Software th
Daniel,
>From what you'd written, it looks like you're thinking of JSP 2.0 where the
JSP could use $loginForm.username to retrieve the value of the username
field from the session object loginForm. So, I believe you want something
more like so:
LoginForm loginForm = (LoginForm) session.getAttrib
James,
I just read Daniel's other post and I'm starting to think he was serious
like I first thought!
Regards,
David
-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:10 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] [FUN] Software
Nah, nobody is that dumb...are they?
--
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Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
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From: "David G. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:13 PM
Subjec
Let's give an example of how dumb people CAN be...
My friend owns a diner in a bad (it's the new "fix-it" neighborhood) part of
Boston. I was in there for lunch today talking to him and he had a silver
dollar he handed out as change. The woman said to him "what's this crap?"
She HONESTLY believe
Oh yeah! We got this guy at work that keeps telling the same joke over and
over again.
It goes like this:
Pete and Repeat were sitting on a fence, Pete fell off, who's left?
The funny part is that he actually expects a different response. So sad :(
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open So
no need to guess if I am vey dumb because I am really dumb. I do
download and install it! Should we honor the person who write NaDa
version 0.5? He affords to maintain web site and write a program for
different platform. Best of all, the program does nothing. It takes
time and money.
On Wed, 23 Fe
But that's what Nada means. I can see how there may be a language barrier,
but I don't see why anyone would download and install something they didn't
understand, that's just crazy!!
--
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Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
- Ori
Pls forgive me because English is not my mother tongue.
What does N.a.d.a. actually stands for?
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:43:19 -0500, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But that's what Nada means. I can see how there may be a language barrier,
> but I don't see why anyone would download a
It mean "nothing" in Spanish. So you just installed "nothing", which the
website actually says in quite a few different ways.
--
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Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel PC Leung" <[EMAIL PROT
it's an acronym -- it stands for the National Automotive Dealers Association
(www.nada.org).
-Original Message-
From: Daniel PC Leung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:15 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] [FUN] Software that works!
Pls for
What is the entry in your struts-config.xml file for your form. It doesn't
appear that it is a DynaForm. If it isn't then you can just do a new
formDataCopy().
-Richard
At 04:43 AM 2/23/2005, you wrote:
Does anyone have an idea on this? I am trying to create a
LazyValidatorForm object in code
-
>> Compatible with all Mac OSs, including OS X Panther, all Windowsâ versions,
>> all flavors of UNIX/Linux, Amiga, BeOS, everything you can think of, because
>> we strongly believe that NaDaâ does nothing for everybody.
I'm sure I've got an old P133 somewhere... Don't think NaDa runs with
just
Which leads us into that old joke about the difference between a
software salesman and a car salesmen ...
John McGrath wrote:
it's an acronym -- it stands for the National Automotive Dealers Association
(www.nada.org).
-Original Message-
From: Daniel PC Leung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
I am attempting to switch from bean:write to jstl fmt. I need the
equivalent of the following:
This does not work.
I have the fmt set up correctly and it is finding my resource bundle, but my
syntax is wrong.
Thank you for your time,
Jason Long
CEO and Chief Software Engineer
BS Physi
I am attempting to switch from bean:write to jstl fmt. I need the
equivalent of the following:
This does not work.
I have the fmt set up correctly and it is finding my resource bundle, but my
syntax is wrong.
Thank you for your time,
Jason Long
CEO and Chief Software Engineer
BS Physi
I have not ever heard of it
I'd know the difference.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:29:12 +0800, Andrew Hill
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which leads us into that old joke about the difference between a
> software salesman and a car salesmen ...
>
> John McGrath wrote:
> > it's an acronym -- it stands
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