Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Ronald Holshausen
Hi Mike, I have switched from struts to JSF for our companies product development, as I can say that JSF is totally CSS oriented. Each control has a CSS class as a property, and a lot of the tomahawk components provide their own base CSS classes by default (have a look at the tabbed pane from

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread pc leung
Ronald I am also thinking of switching to JSF. Do you use Shale, MyFaces or Sun JSF? Any reasons your company starts to use JSF as I am standing at the cross road of Struts and JSF? Thanks On 11/14/05, Ronald Holshausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, I have switched from struts to JSF

AW: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Have a look at the clay component from shale, as this supports this type of development process more fully as you could then use the generated HTML from the graphic artists directly, just add some ids much like Tapestry does. Did you take a look at Facelets? It's something like Tapestry for

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread pc leung
Ronald, I am a bit confused that MyFaces and Shale both implements JSF. Why you need to use both? why not use one of them? What about Struts-Faces? It integrates Struts and JSF. Do you consider it? On 11/14/05, Ronald Holshausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Shale, Tiles and MyFaces. The main

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/14/05, pc leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald, I am a bit confused that MyFaces and Shale both implements JSF. Why you need to use both? why not use one of them? What about Struts-Faces? It integrates Struts and JSF. Do you consider it? MyFaces implements JSR 127 (JavaServer

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Ronald Holshausen
I downloaded it, and went through their docs online, but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet :-( On 14/11/05, Bernhard Slominski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at the clay component from shale, as this supports this type of development process more fully as you could then use the

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Ronald Holshausen
I use Shale, Tiles and MyFaces. The main reason for moving over is that JSF is being pushed by Sun as the standard for J2EE user interfaces, and is getting picked up by some of the big companies like Oracle, so I think it will gain a lot of momentum and support from most vendors. I also like the

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Duffy
There is a difference between specifying CSS attributes and creating a liquid CSS design. The later involves a complete separation of style and content where a web page or JSP becomes a series of div tags that flow; a single style sheet can be used to change the look and feel of the entire

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 11/14/05, Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a difference between specifying CSS attributes and creating a liquid CSS design. The later involves a complete separation of style and content where a web page or JSP becomes a series of div tags that flow; a single style sheet can be

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Duffy
Thx Craig. --- In JSF 1.0/1.1 it is pretty much OK, but there are interoperability issues trying to put div elements inside another JSF component. Most of those issues have been dealt with in JSF 1.2. However, even there you're *much* better off designing components that render the div elements

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 11/14/05, Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thx Craig. --- In JSF 1.0/1.1 it is pretty much OK, but there are interoperability issues trying to put div elements inside another JSF component. Most of those issues have been dealt with in JSF 1.2. However, even there you're *much* better

[OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-11 Thread Mike Duffy
I know there are some leading edge JSF and Shale gurus who monitor this list. I have a basic question: Can rich web application interfaces be created in JSF? I've looked at MyFaces and Tomahawk (http://myfaces.apache.org/). The source code that can be found in the examples at

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-11 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 11/11/05, Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there are some leading edge JSF and Shale gurus who monitor this list. I have a basic question: Can rich web application interfaces be created in JSF? Sure it can. CSS based or AJAX based, or whatever you want. But the key issue that

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-11 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 11/11/05, Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the concept is that JSF components can be rendered for different viewing devices; however, I'm not sure the creators of JSF really thought through the process of how most web applications are created. I think the usual case is that a

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-11 Thread Hubert Rabago
-Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited? I know there are some leading edge JSF and Shale gurus who monitor this list. I would hope

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-11 Thread Gary VanMatre
I know there are some leading edge JSF and Shale gurus who monitor this list. I have a basic question: Can rich web application interfaces be created in JSF? I've looked at MyFaces and Tomahawk (http://myfaces.apache.org/). The source code that can be found in the examples at