yes, microsoft has a strong monopolistic policy. furthermore the attempts of
big pc producers to sell desktops and laptops with linux instead of windows
failed. however there are promising producers such as garlach44 or system76
who provide nice pcs with linux. however it seems clear that pro
Hi Virgil,
I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it
comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what
the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something
like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for
W
Wow! I didn't mean to cause such a firestorm of discussionbut isn't it
good?? and isn't this why there IS open source software?? So that we can
create, and eventually have our creations exist and be read by the next
generation?? File formats are the new paper. It's important that no one
company
Thanks Robert, Xournal does the job.
I ignored it because the notes say it's for handwritten annotations, but
it does have a text input also
I'm copying to the list also- you sent your reply direct to me. To reply
to the list, you need to click "Reply to list" on your email program.
Keith
Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Rich Shepard wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Insert -> Picture -> From file
Hope this helps.
Girvin,
That's what I kept trying but it would not open a file dialog box and
would not accept the file name in the text entry widget on the "picture"
t
Without trying to defend MS, it can only dominate markets that
customers allow it to dominate. Nobody is forced to purchase MS
products. They do so because, for whatever reason, they perceive that
MS serves their needs. One of those needs is file compatibility with
others, which by its nature
Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format
structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's not
political IMHO.
Carl
On 11/19/12 3:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
d
Rich Shepard wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Insert -> Picture -> From file
Hope this helps.
Girvin,
That's what I kept trying but it would not open a file dialog box and
would not accept the file name in the text entry widget on the "picture"
tab.
Rich
Oops! Sorry,
I get a discount for purchasing without windows.
I say I want that machine, no windows, take it off the price, and save
myself some dollars.
Steve
On 2012-11-20 13:57, VA wrote:
I'm not defending Microsoft; I don't particularly like them. I'm just
saying that if I don't want to buy MS, I don't
On 11/19/2012 03:23 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
>I need to provide a client with a Word version of a report written in
> LaTeX. Exporting the text to LO format works just fine, but all the images
> in the document are .pdf files generated by GRASS or R. I'm having
> difficulty finding how to insert
Hi.
PDF is not listed as a type of image to insert in my LO 3.5. EPS is if
you can convert the PDF's.
Steve
On 2012-11-20 13:45, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Insert -> Picture -> From file
Hope this helps.
Girvin,
That's what I kept trying but it would
I have been using LO since 3.3.0 and do not know a tenth of what others
know after using it for 6 months or less.
I just use what I need to use and do not have time to experiment with
much else. One day, I will have to sit down with a tablet and read all
of the guides. Right now, my only "
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
What version of OO are you using?
libreoffice-3.5.5_en_US-i586-1_SBo on Slackware-13.1
Check to see if you have the
?
Rich
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Rich Shepard wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Insert -> Picture -> From file
Hope this helps.
Girvin,
That's what I kept trying but it would not open a file dialog box and
would not accept the file name in the text entry widget on the "picture"
tab.
Rich
What version
I would participate as a tester. I can't do more than test and feedback because I am using LibO
since a bit less than 6 month.
On 2012-11-20 05:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
On 11/19/2012 03:06 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 charles meyer
Works for me.
How shall we all get started w
I'm not defending Microsoft; I don't particularly like them. I'm just saying
that if I don't want to buy MS, I don't have to, and neither does anyone
else.
Of course, you can buy a Mac and not have Windows. However, I never count
Windows as a "purchase" because it comes installed on the comput
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Insert -> Picture -> From file
Hope this helps.
Girvin,
That's what I kept trying but it would not open a file dialog box and
would not accept the file name in the text entry widget on the "picture"
tab.
Rich
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Rich Shepard wrote:
I need to provide a client with a Word version of a report written in
LaTeX. Exporting the text to LO format works just fine, but all the
images
in the document are .pdf files generated by GRASS or R. I'm having
difficulty finding how to insert these images in the LO doc
VA wrote:
Nobody is forced to purchase MS products.
Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available,
they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they
forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including
extortion.
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I need to provide a client with a Word version of a report written in
LaTeX. Exporting the text to LO format works just fine, but all the images
in the document are .pdf files generated by GRASS or R. I'm having
difficulty finding how to insert these images in the LO document.
Please point me
hi all. i had the same problem receving via email from an office .docx files.
when I try to import the file in libreoffice it crashes and does not allow to
import in any way. the solution I found is to open such file with gwoffice
(google office app, you need a google account connected to use
I fully agree with your clarification. Microsoft needs customers more than
customers need Microsoft, and the larger customers could very well influence
how Microsoft designs its software.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Steven Bradley
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:20 PM
To: users
I think my point, apparently not clear, was that governments themselves
would say, "We will only *use* software that meets these criteria." I don't
support governments mandating file types, or intervening in my private
business. However, they are by far the "biggest elephant in the room," and
if, f
On 19/11/2012 at 15:52, "VA" wrote:
> I think there's a difference between "standards" as declared by computer
> developers and societies and "standards" determined by the marketplace.
I believe that lawyers call them "de facto standard" and... "we would really
like this to be standard, so do
On 19/11/2012 at 15:58, rost52 wrote:
> Why the hell is this menu item under Tools - I always search in Format and
> Styles. Thanks for the question and answer.
For the same reason that in Calc we have (from left to right) Format, Tools,
Data, Window, Help:
some stupid design decision made many
On 11/19/2012 02:24 PM, VA wrote:
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my
government dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my
documents.
Virgil
The issue is not truly political if the agreed standards are used by all
- it levels the playing field and tends
On 11/19/2012 03:06 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 charles meyer
Works for me.
How shall we all get started with this?
Charles.
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison
Chart
From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:54:22 -0500
To: users@globa
I would save the edited document in the Word .doc format listed for -
97/2000/XP/2003. Then almost all the Word packages out there will work
with it properly. Well if you use Word 95 and earlier, it will not but
how many are still using that one? The last user I knew upgraded to
2003 last
While its interesting to get different perspectives from around the globe,
I'm not sure we'll agree on the principal tasks of government, so I'll leave
that subject and return to the computer side of things.
Without trying to defend MS, it can only dominate markets that customers
allow it to d
On 11/19/2012 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you actually suggesting that this is either complete or accurate?
You can get the binary file
M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national
corporation, responsible t
Well said Henri!
On 11/19/2012 03:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 VA
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-
Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, a
2012/11/19 VA
> At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
> dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
>
> Virgil
>
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national
corporation, responsible to no one save a few major
2012/11/19 charles meyer
> Works for me.
>
> How shall we all get started with this?
>
> Charles.
>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison
> Chart
> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:54:22 -0500
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>
>
>
>
Ian Whitfield wrote:
Hi All
Since I upgraded to LO 3.6.2.2 on my PCLOS 2012 system I find that
Base no longer displays my Reports the way I need them!!
I used to get a single line of 'Field Names' followed my multiple
lines of data.
What I get now is alternating lines of 'Field Names' an
Hi,
enemy troep schrieb:
Hello!
A girlfriend of mine was tired of windows and installed the latest Linux
Mint on her netbook, which comes with libre office.
Although Libre is working generally well, she noticed a problem when
working with Docx and Doc.
If the original file is made in LO, both L
At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government
dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents.
Virgil
-Original Message-
From: Jay Lozier
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users
On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote:
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are difficult
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On 12-11-19 01:08 PM, enemy troep wrote:
> Hello!
>
> A girlfriend of mine was tired of windows and installed the latest Linux
> Mint on her netbook, which comes with libre office.
> Although Libre is working generally well, she noticed a problem when
Thanks, all. My resources are such that it'd be hard for me to
contribute much, but it's helpful to know there are small ways I could
pitch in. I will see if I can make room to contribute in some way. And
the specific suggestions are indeed helpful.
Carl
On 11/19/12 11:31 AM, Joel Madero
I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto
standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any
agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have
many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, and I wrote them less
than
The OOXML specifications are at least as complete and rigorous as the ODF ones.
Every indication is that the ODF 1.2 support in Office 2013 is quite good. Of
particular importance to many users is that OpenFormula is now supported, and
this will provide a tremendous improvement in interop betwe
Hello!
A girlfriend of mine was tired of windows and installed the latest Linux
Mint on her netbook, which comes with libre office.
Although Libre is working generally well, she noticed a problem when
working with Docx and Doc.
If the original file is made in LO, both LO and MS office can change i
On 11/19/2012 12:27 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
2012/11/19 Jay Lozier :
On 11/19/2012 11:00 AM, eddie arni wrote:
First off, disclaimer, I'm not a math guy.
So bear with me.
I'm working on a spreadsheet documenting my expenditures during a recent
trip to Europe. I've entered my expenses under
In response to Tanstaafl and Regina,
I've never considered this a "bug." Rather it's a design decision, and I
wouldn't want to clutter up a bugzilla with my design preferences. Also,
despite the fact that I don't like it, it works better than MS Word's
outliner. I just figure there is somethin
On 19/11/12 17:59, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I've also heard that European versions of Microsoft Office can be set to have
ODF as the default format.
That's correct - on a fresh install of Office 2010 it asks whether you
want ODF or OOXML as the default document type.
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The docx, xslx, pptx formats and others are OOXML. There are deviations as well
as features (such as encryption) that are not part of OOXML. But most of the
non-support claims about Microsoft honoring OOXML are based on the fact that
early implementations supported the transitional flavor of OO
On 2012-11-19 12:43 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
Are you actually suggesting that this is either complete or accurate?
You can get the binary file format description from
http://www.micros
Hi Everyone,
Don C. Myers schrieb:
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else?
You can get the OOXML standard from
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/
2012/11/19 Jay Lozier :
> On 11/19/2012 11:00 AM, eddie arni wrote:
>>
>> First off, disclaimer, I'm not a math guy.
>>
>> So bear with me.
>>
>> I'm working on a spreadsheet documenting my expenditures during a recent
>> trip to Europe. I've entered my expenses under various headings: food,
>> tra
Hi Everyone,
When the Microsoft formats were approved as an ISO standard, wasn't that
supposed to make the information on their formats available to everyone
else? From what I've read through the years, they have failed to
implement their own ISO standards. Shouldn't there be some way to
enfo
On 11/19/2012 09:52 AM, VA wrote:
Jay wrote:
"ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not
being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to
sue MS for monopolistic practices."
I think there's a difference between "standards" as declared by
computer
On 11/19/2012 11:00 AM, eddie arni wrote:
First off, disclaimer, I'm not a math guy.
So bear with me.
I'm working on a spreadsheet documenting my expenditures during a recent
trip to Europe. I've entered my expenses under various headings: food,
transport, etc., represented by different columns
I was one of the one who sent a direct email to you (should have kept it on
list, my apologies) about contributing. QA is actively trying to grow and
requires very little (if any) programming skills. If you'd like to help out
with QA (triaging mostly right now), let us know and we'll help you get
s
Hi Carl,
Le 2012-11-19 08:34, Carl Paulsen a écrit :
Thanks, Regina. I know there are other ways to contribute, but I don't
necessarily know what they are. Templates is one way, but the real
issue I see is going from MSO to LO/OO. We can't control the other end.
So is there a simple list of
Hi Virgil,
VA schrieb:
I have never been satisfied with OO and LibO's treatment of outline
numbering. I like to control all formatting with Styles, but when it
comes to outline numbering, I can't do that. For outline numbered
paragraphs, even paragraph indents and margins are controlled by
Tool
Why not open a bug/feature request to add support for doing this via styles?
Since you've already worked out the hard part, upload your default
template complete with these predefined Styles to give the devs a
starting point?
On 2012-11-19 10:50 AM, VA wrote:
I have never been satisfied wit
First off, disclaimer, I'm not a math guy.
So bear with me.
I'm working on a spreadsheet documenting my expenditures during a recent
trip to Europe. I've entered my expenses under various headings: food,
transport, etc., represented by different columns. Dates are represented by
rows. Each expend
I have never been satisfied with OO and LibO's treatment of outline
numbering. I like to control all formatting with Styles, but when it comes
to outline numbering, I can't do that. For outline numbered paragraphs, even
paragraph indents and margins are controlled by Tools/Outline Numbering
rat
On 2012-11-19 19:09, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
On 19/11/2012 at 10:28, "e-letter" wrote:
How to activate numbering for heading styles?
Have a look at Tools → Outline Numbering...
Why the hell is this menu item under Tools - I always search in Format and Styles. Thanks for the
question and a
What a discussion has been started. Great!
As for doing revers engineering on binary files, I know how difficult it is. However, it is not
impossible. Should the great devs of AOO and LibO be enabled to join forces, there is a tremendous
know-how and manpower available. I just hope that people
Jay wrote:
"ODF formats are the international standard so technically MS is not
being standards compliant. This may be very useful if someone where to
sue MS for monopolistic practices."
I think there's a difference between "standards" as declared by computer
developers and societies and "stand
On 11/19/2012 07:49 AM, VA wrote:
The truly maddening part is that, if more people used LibO, then the
.ODT format would become "standard" and MS would be relegated to
irrelevance.
So, Office wins because corporations buy it, making its file format
"standard," which forces the rest of us to c
Hi All
Since I upgraded to LO 3.6.2.2 on my PCLOS 2012 system I find that Base
no longer displays my Reports the way I need them!!
I used to get a single line of 'Field Names' followed my multiple lines
of data.
What I get now is alternating lines of 'Field Names' and one row of
data. (I'v
I contribute to LibreOffice by working on the North American Community
DVD Project in creating English distribution DVDs. Also I have created
the largest [so I have been told] spell checking dictionaries for
American English, British English, and Canadian English. Also, I try to
help people
Thanks, Regina. I know there are other ways to contribute, but I don't
necessarily know what they are. Templates is one way, but the real
issue I see is going from MSO to LO/OO. We can't control the other end.
So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute
(templates is a g
I wonder if the people in the Developer's list may be able to help you.
There may be some people there that has worked with your type of system
enough to give you some advice.
I just stick with the more "popular" distros of Linux and never had to
do things your way.
On 11/18/2012 06:42 PM,
Hi,
Carl Paulsen schrieb:
In practical use, I would NOT say LO (or OOo) has a "high" file
compatibility with MS Office. Virtually every file I receive from MS
Office users has some kind of problem (bullet lists almost NEVER convert
correctly, at least from MSO to LO). I'm only an occasional Off
Tanstaafl wrote:
"There is one more hing that could turn this around - if the EU (or some
other major governmental entity) were to engage in and win an antitrust
lawsuit against Microsoft and force them to *fully* document their file
formats, as happened with their Windows Server SMB protocols (w
Hi,
e-letter schrieb:
Readers,
Scenario:
image1 image2 image3 image4
Is it possible to configure a page in LOwriter to make the positioning
of inline images dynamic when any of them are deleted? For example, if
'image2' is deleted, the appearance of the images in the page becomes:
image1 ima
The truly maddening part is that, if more people used LibO, then the .ODT
format would become "standard" and MS would be relegated to irrelevance.
So, Office wins because corporations buy it, making its file format
"standard," which forces the rest of us to conform.
It's absolutely crazy.
Vi
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
> On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
>
>> 2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
>
>
> An excellent exposition of the methods used by Microsoft to «protect» its
>> «intellectual property» - more accurately described as using its
>> quasi-monopoly to exclude others from the market..
On 2012-11-19 6:54 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
I don't see this happening any more. Microsoft is on a roll now, coming
out with new versions *far* more often than they used to (which means they
can 'improve' the file formats much more often). My understanding is they
are actua
2012/11/19 Tanstaafl
> On 2012-11-19 1:40 AM, rost52 wrote:
>
>> This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
>> doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very
>> good chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.
>>
>
> Sounds easy, doesn't it? Unt
On 2012-11-19 1:40 AM, rost52 wrote:
This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very
good chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.
Sounds easy, doesn't it? Until you realize that the documentation o
At 12:38 19/11/2012 +0200, Nobody Noname wrote:
This automatic text should include the address to post messages.
Er, could that be it - there in the subject line of the message?
;^)
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Have a look at Tools → Outline Numbering...
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Le 19/11/2012 09:57, Alex Thurgood a écrit :
> Le 19/11/2012 00:42, piernov a écrit :
> Hi there,
>
> The SDK stuff has been killed in master, which is probably why your
> build is failing. Localisation and help file build systems are being
> migrated. Your question really belongs on the dev maili
Readers,
In the dialogue window to modify a heading style, the option to apply
numbering (via 'outline & numbering') is greyed out (disabled).
How to activate numbering for heading styles?
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Hi there,
The SDK stuff has been killed in master, which is probably why your
build is failing. Localisation and help file build systems are being
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Le 19/11/2012 00:42, piernov a écrit :
> Hey,
> Firstly, thanks for your answer and wasting time with me.
> The problem is that I'm using a heavily modified NuTyX, so I can't use the
> binary package. And I want to build my own.
So your question is not a user one. As you are French you can as
Readers,
Scenario:
image1 image2 image3 image4
Is it possible to configure a page in LOwriter to make the positioning
of inline images dynamic when any of them are deleted? For example, if
'image2' is deleted, the appearance of the images in the page becomes:
image1 image3 image4
Thanks.
LO35
2012/11/19 rost52
> Like Carl. I unfortunately cannot contribute to development work.
>
> I would just like to come back to productivity and my own experience:
> LibO has features which are as good or better than MSO in respect to
> productivity. What reduces my productivity are bugs (first it ta
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