Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/25/2012 06:30 AM, Caesar wrote: If a poster insists that he be able to post in a manner that I find confusing and offensive, I can't even type it -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscrib

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Carson Chittom
Marc Grober writes: > Frankly listservs make very poor knowledge bases for the obvious > reasons, hence the efforts by some in other communities to distill the > problem/resolution couplet into dynamic online docs where a user will > find current comprehensive succinct and useful information. Su

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Marc Grober
tions and all the rest. So, i think it is all good. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Caesar wrote: > > From: Caesar > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 11:3

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Caesar
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:04:40 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: >Hi, > >Am 25.02.2012 12:30, schrieb Caesar: > >> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > >> wrote > >>> What I meant was &quo

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Tom Davies
have considered significant.  Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Stefan Weigel wrote: From: Stefan Weigel Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 12:04 Hi, Am 25.02.2012 12:30, schrieb Caesar: > On Fri, 24

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Tom Davies
: From: Caesar Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 11:30 On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: >On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote: >> O

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 25.02.2012 12:30, schrieb Caesar: > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > wrote >> What I meant was "it feels mean to say that someone values a person's >> contributions so little that they have an automatic deletion filter on >> all of their contributions".

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-25 Thread Caesar
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: >On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak >> wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top >> posting: >&

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-24 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas wrote: I avoid the aggravation by having posts from

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
Jean-Louis Oneto Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 22:23 I fully agree with Tom and this list sounds more and more like a dictatorship-governed one: do it my way of f*ck off. I will probably f*ck off very soon, L

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Tanstaafl wrote: From: Tanstaafl Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 18:50 On 2012-02-23 10:17 AM, Marc Grober wrote: It would appear that true professionals should, as I thin

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
ies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thu 2/23/2012 1:11 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting Hi :) With that trimming you will never know the answer to the question because it is out of context and forces anyone trying to answer to dig u

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2012-02-23 12:57 PM Tom Davies wrote: It's not worth flogging a dead horse. He will not attempt to consider anyone else's point of view and if you dare to disagree he will just block you too. Hmmm, it might be wrth aiming for that now i think about it. Trying to get you to follow common

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
  Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Werner F. Bruhin wrote: From: Werner F. Bruhin Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 18:55 On 23/02/2012 17:39, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > +1 +1 to what? --

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 23.02.2012 19:55, schrieb Werner F. Bruhin: > Lists like this are a great archive and should be promoted as such, > but I seriously think they loose a lot of interest with all this top > posting which makes it difficult to find if the problem is the same > as the one, one tries to find a s

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
ng).  How about "Diversity breeds serendipity!" as a sort of 'war'-cry? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Tanstaafl wrote: From: Tanstaafl Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 18:50 On 2012

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Werner F. Bruhin
On 23/02/2012 17:39, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 +1 to what? It can not be the post which was below which I read as being a bit sarcastic, as Tom seems to ignore the guide lines. Tom does a lot of posts and I suggest that he considers my points below instead of just looking at providing a qu

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-23 10:17 AM, Marc Grober wrote: It would appear that true professionals should, as I think Tom has suggested, consider the actual guidelines that is precisely the point... the list guidelines for this list are to bottom post with appropriate trimming (aka inline-posting), and Tom

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
ubject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 16:56 Tom, As a fellow "users" list taking content in my email stream, I have no issue with your chosen style of participation and with rare exception find your comments german

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread V Stuart Foote
the forum. Warm regards, Stuart From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thu 2/23/2012 10:39 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Marc Grober

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 23/2/12, Marc Grober wrote: From: Marc Grober Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 15:17 It would appear that true professionals should, as I think Tom has

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Marc Grober
It would appear that true professionals should, as I think Tom has suggested, consider the actual guidelines as opposed to pontificating upon them as if they were running a gulag Hail and farewell On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-02-22 8:53 PM, Marc Grober wrote

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tom Davies
On Thu, 23/2/12, Tanstaafl wrote: From: Tanstaafl Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 13:35 On 2012-02-22 8:53 PM, Marc Grober wrote: > So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to > continue

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-22 8:53 PM, Marc Grober wrote: So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to continue top posting as one may feel appropriate as one may have done as an IT professional for the past 40 years and that if that upsets them they should seek professional assistance? A tr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-23 Thread Caesar
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: > >On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: >> On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas wrote: >> >> I avoid the aggravation by having posts from

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas wrote: I avoid the aggravation by having posts from Tom Davies automatically deleted. Now that is cold... -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread Marc Grober
So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to continue top posting as one may feel appropriate as one may have done as an IT professional for the past 40 years and that if that upsets them they should seek professional assistance? On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:28 PM, e-letter wrote:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread e-letter
On 22/02/2012, T. R. Valentine wrote: > On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas wrote: > >> Your persistent top posting in reply to an inline posted thread shows a >> constant disregard for convention. Your failure to correct your lack of >> quote levels for the message replied to is reprehensibl

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaas wrote: > Your persistent top posting in reply to an inline posted thread shows a > constant disregard for convention. Your failure to correct your lack of > quote levels for the message replied to is reprehensible. You show utter > disregard for common neti

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting

2012-02-22 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2012-02-22 1:19 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will top-post because that is what they are most familiar with. Office workers have almost never seen any alternative. Unless the office apps are not aimed at office users then it's ridicu

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-10 1:36 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: QuoteCollapse collapses all but the last post in the thread. Works great on lists where people do not trim the messages they are replying to. I agree, been using it for many years... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreo

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-12 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-10 1:01 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: No wait, that is in account settings. probably a better place for it than in the global preferences. No, because certain accounts you may want to treat differently. Off hand, i would say that it should be configurable at the folder level.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-11 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/11/11 1:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If you want bottom posting, and only bottom posting, then LO should make that as a clear decision and then that should be communicated when you sign up, and, it should be posted on a FAQ. Then, when some uninformed person top posts, a nicely word

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-11 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 09/10/2011 09:59 AM, Twayne wrote: In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Oku typed: Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case ... I'm mobile

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote: >> >> > How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and >> > still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. >> >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Onyeibo Oku
I do appreciate your calling me lazy sir. Thanks - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: "Twayne" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:59:48 To: Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Post

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

2011-09-10 Thread Twayne
In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Oku typed: > Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you > need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case > ... I'm mobile and the mail app on this phone is >

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-09 7:12 PM Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 5:33 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some programs will have an option to "collapse" quoted text. I suggest searching in addons.mozilla.org for a thunderbird extension that does that (I thought QuoteColors did it, but apparently it doesn't).

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 09/09/2011 06:09 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Thunderbird will start your reply at the bottom. And I've seen others with this option also. But I've never seen any email program that will go simply to the new content. I'm not sure it would even be possible, as a lot of where the new content

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 5:33 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with rathe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: > On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: >> On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >>> On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with rather than try to alienate

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with rather than try to alienate new users surely? I dont agree with you. There are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote: > > > How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and > > still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. > > I asked one question got no help. PLEASE ta

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 09:25:18AM -0700, Dave Douglas wrote: > How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested > and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest > in. I asked one question got no help. PLEASE take me off the list! 1. Did you reply to the c

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 07:58:52PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults.  There > are likely to be more people using such systems as LibreOffice becomes more > popular.  Hold onto your hats! Is someone holding a gun to your head

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:37:51PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2011-09-08 1:12 PM Tom Davies wrote: > >Hi :) > >Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable > >from the message. By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been > >clearer which were your answe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Tom Davies
e "@" is replaced by "=". " Hopefully that helpsGood luck and regards fromTom :) --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Nuno J. Silva wrote: From: Nuno J. Silva Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreo

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 10:01 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people who would rather subscribe through

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Dave Douglas wrote (09-09-11 18:25) How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. I asked one question got no help. PLEASE take me off the list! The same way as you subscribed, only the effect is in the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote: > How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and > still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. > I asked one question got no help. PLEASE take me off the list! To get off this list, you have to *unsubscribe*. Ins

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread John McAtee
From: Nuno J. Silva To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: > On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> I guess so

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Douglas
:01 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingList Guidelines Page? On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mai

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: > On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing >> lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people >> who would rather subscribe through a web interface. >> >> An idea wou

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves on. It's not a big deal. When it

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 1:54 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 11:37 PM, Ken Springer wrote: The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. MSOffice is widely used, dont use LibreOffice then. Uhm, Tom Davies wrote that. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2 Thun

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 12:21 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote: On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote: With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen to use for replying to newsgroups. Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and doesn't properly do anything right for places like this. I think t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote: > On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other >> rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves >> on. It's not a big deal. > > When it happens occasionally or less, y

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 2:40 AM, e-letter wrote: Anyway, reading the press about the demise of yet another md of yahoo, md= ? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2 Thunderbird 6.0.2 LibreOffice 3.3.3 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 7:04 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 10:50 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: The headers state that you are using "YahooMailClassic/14.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625" That is not an email client. It is, sorry. It's a web based MUA. That is an online web mail service

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves on. It's not a big deal. When it happens occasionally or less, you're right. But, if too many people don't fo

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 09:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I use a standard email client Do you even know what's a "standard"? -- RMA. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 10:50 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: The headers state that you are using "YahooMailClassic/14.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625" That is not an email client. It is, sorry. It's a web based MUA. That is an online web mail service (and a very poor one. Gmail works much better). B

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/09/2011 02:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom? I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something about how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe. And let's notice it's a bit longer than de 4 lines of the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-09, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2011-09-08 8:04 PM, Don C. Myers wrote: >> Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom? > > I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something > about how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe. Irony is how ap

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-08 8:04 PM, Don C. Myers wrote: Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom? I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something about how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread e-letter
On 09/09/2011, Dave Sergeant wrote: > On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote: > >> With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen >> to use for replying to newsgroups. Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and >> doesn't properly do anything right for places like this. >> Agr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 11:37 PM, Ken Springer wrote: The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. MSOffice is widely used, dont use LibreOffice then. -- RMA. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-09 12:21 AM Dave Sergeant wrote: I think that single paragraph explains why this thread has become so heated. YOU are reading this list on a NEWSGROUP. But the list is also available as a EMAIL LIST and an archive of that same EMAIL LIST on Nabble. I would hazard a guess that the vast

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Dave Sergeant
On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote: > With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen > to use for replying to newsgroups. Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and > doesn't properly do anything right for places like this. > I think that single paragraph explains why thi

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 6:04 PM, Don C. Myers wrote: Hi All, On 09/08/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: *My Big Concern* here is how are we being perceived by those who come here for help by the amount of time that has been spent on this thread today. I was one of the first responders last night. Never did

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Don C. Myers
Hi All, On 09/08/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Springer wrote: *My Big Concern* here is how are we being perceived by those who come here for help by the amount of time that has been spent on this thread today. I was one of the first responders last night. Never did I dream when I went to bed last night my

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread e-letter
On 08/09/2011, Tom Davies wrote: ... > Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might > be. The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. Do we > want to stop office workers from using LibreOffice? Alienating them would > be a good way to get them

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread e-letter
On 08/09/2011, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be > scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in > their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person > reading). Top posting means

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 12:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting might be. > The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers. So, if painting graffiti all over walls and buildings was widely done, you'd be OK with them painting graff

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 06:14:41PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be > scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in > their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person >

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 1:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable from the message. > By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been clearer which were your answers. Sometimes interspersing becomes possible if i notice the other persons r

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 1:09 PM, Don C. Myers wrote: Some of you have convinced me to use top posting, since it is better. Some of you have convinced me to use bottom posting, since it is better. Some of you have convinced me to do snipping, since it is better. Obviously there isn't a black and white solution

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 12:58 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults. There are likely to be more people using such systems as LibreOffice becomes more popular. Hold onto your hats! The headers state that you are using "YahooMailClassic/14.0.5

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 1:12 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable from the message. By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been clearer which were your answers. Every line of the post I am replying to has a > in front of it if usin

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Don C. Myers wrote: From: Don C. Myers Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 20:09 Hi to all, Some of you have

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
arry Gusaas Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 19:38 On 2011-09-08 12:10 PM  Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > No, he didn't.  He just showed that he has not read

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Don C. Myers
ficult for normal office workers? Is LibreOffice not meant to be used in offices by office workers? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Nuno J. Silva wrote: From: Nuno J. Silva Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@gl

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote: > On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote: >> Besides it doesn't matter how strong the argument against top-posting >> might be.  The fact is that it is widely used especially by office >> workers.  > > I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults. 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-08 2:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Why are people in here so determined to make things unpleasant and difficult for normal office workers? Why should 'normal office workers' be exempt from general rules of common courtesy? Sorry, Tom, you're a lazy ass, and a liar to boot (demonstrate

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-09-08 2:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote: No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts. Coming from you - someone who pretends that top posting advocates advocate blindly top-posting, when the reality is very

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
rkers?  Is LibreOffice not meant to be used in offices by office workers? Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Nuno J. Silva wrote: From: Nuno J. Silva Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 12:10 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) No, he didn't. He just showed that he has not read any of the posts yet as his arguments are already countered in previous posts. Bullshit. You continually do not show the proper attribution in the posts you reply to. You have not countered this

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Nuno J. Silva
-sigh- let's see if I can get this attribution thing fixed... gnus-outlook-deuglify-article couldn't process this message On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote: > On Thu, 8/9/11, Ken Springer wrote: > > On 9/8/11 11:37 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > >> On 2011-09-08 11:14 AM Tom Davies wrote: > >> > >>> Int

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
ibreOffice out there and being used?  Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Ken Springer wrote: From: Ken Springer Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 18:53 On 9/

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 11:37 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011-09-08 11:14 AM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-09-08 11:14 AM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Interspersing or bottom-posting ensures that every message needs to be scrolled through unless people delete all the stuff that is irrelevant (in their opinion, which 'might not' be the same as the opinion of the person reading). Top posting mea

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Tom Davies
ithout any scrolling at all. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 8/9/11, Ken Springer wrote: From: Ken Springer Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 16:09 On 9/8/11 7:

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 9:31 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 09/08/2011 05:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: I think the core problems of this dilemma of where to post is lack of education, and lack of enforcement of the rules. Oh Ken, thay got education! but the kind of education saying: "Well, let's quickl

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 05:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote: I think the core problems of this dilemma of where to post is lack of education, and lack of enforcement of the rules. Oh Ken, thay got education! but the kind of education saying: "Well, let's quickly reply: the correcpondant will always understand"

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 8:20 AM, Chris Morgan wrote: In most cases top-posting is preferable. However, in this 'list' environment, bottom-posting and selective quoting works better for retaining context. However, we cannot enforce this without alienating the very people this list is aimed at (ie everyone), so

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 8:03 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Over the past few months there has been a steadily increasing amount of top-posting. It is not just one or 2 people. Outside of LibreOffice and OpenSource everyone else uses top-post almost exclusively. Smart phones make it difficult to post any other way

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
On 9/8/11 7:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Often you already know roughly what is going on and only need to read the latest post. If you're following only one thread/subthread in the messages, and have been able to keep up. :-D But I follow a lot of things, in a lot of places, and I often have t

[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Tom, On 9/8/11 6:13 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Top posting is fine. Almost everyone top-posts except some people in a few OpenSource mailing lists. If you need to communicate with anyone that works in an office then you probably have to top-post otherwise they will probably just ignore your ema

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-08, Dave Sergeant wrote: > On 8 Sep 2011 at 8:45, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: > > [...] I am told by the way that top posting is > far preferable to disabled people using reading aids, as they hardly > want all the old stuff spoken by their machine before they get t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-08 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 09/08/2011 04:24 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote: For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff is > a pain. But if you want to top post, or bottom post, to each his own. > This list seems to suffer from long sections of quoted text with sometimes just a single line of new stu

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