Re: [users] Base Users Guide ?

2009-05-08 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
Anyone can contribute - you don't need to be an expert to help out. Even if the doc is something you may know nothing about, proof reading is an essential part of the document development process. When someone spends a lot of time looking at one document, they tend to become "word blind" and will

[users] setting bullets using openoffice java api

2009-05-08 Thread prashanth bhat
Can someone guide me how to set bullet offset position, bullet font and bullet color uisng openoffice api for java PropertyValue [] aProps = (PropertyValue [] ) xNum.getByIndex ( 0 ); // Iterate over the PropertyValue's for this numbering level, // looking for the 'NumberingType' and 'BulletC

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> It is an "Open Standard" with open flexibility written in. Anyone can > write an incompatible format but why would you unless the intention was > to create anarchy? > With the assumption that Microsoft's motives are to create anarchy, what should OOo do? Deliberately force incompatibility issues

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
>>> You might start here: >>> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05/update-on-odf-spreadsheet.html >>> For which I counter, right there in the comments: http://blogs.gnome.org/mortenw/2005/06/16/opendocument-for-spreadsheets/ >> Here's another link: >> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090

Re: [users] Ooo 3.1.0 problem

2009-05-08 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/5/8 Manfred J. Krause > Hi, > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 06:05, Rob Clement wrote: > > Manfred J. Krause wrote: > >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 16:42, Rob Clement wrote: > >>> Rob Clement wrote: > > I am running Ooo 3.1.0 under Vista. I onstalled the program earlier > today > a

Re: [users] Ooo 3.1.0 problem

2009-05-08 Thread Manfred J. Krause
Hi Harold, On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:24, Harold Fuchs wrote: > 2009/5/8 Manfred J. Krause wrote: >> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 06:05, Rob Clement wrote: >> > Manfred J. Krause wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 16:42, Rob Clement wrote: >> >>> Rob Clement wrote: >> >> I am running Ooo 3.1.0

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread James Knott
Dotan Cohen wrote: >> It is an "Open Standard" with open flexibility written in. Anyone can >> write an incompatible format but why would you unless the intention was >> to create anarchy? >> >> > > They're not trying for anarchy. They're trying to kill any hope of competition, as is shown

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Gene Young
Dotan Cohen wrote: OT: Could you please explain this quote? I've seen it several times, yet I fail to see how the third part differs from the first two, or how the first two differ from each other. Thanks. All Shall Be Well; And All Shall Be Well; And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well: A N

Re: [users] Base Users Guide ?

2009-05-08 Thread Web Kracked
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: I guess I'd like to volunteer. I'm not a programmer, but I'm comfortable with a computer. I currently have VISTA on a Dell machine. Something like proof reading is my speed these days. Frank The easiest place to start is here: http://wiki.services.openof

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Lars Nooden
James Knott wrote: > They're not trying for anarchy. They're trying to kill any hope of > competition, as is shown by their track record. Destroy ODF, so that > their own proprietary formats become the only choice. Also, the "inevitability" of MS is a talking point used since the 1990's to troll

[users] Math formula in Impress

2009-05-08 Thread Xiang Liu
The behavior in Impress should be improved. Everyone hopes a natural and flowing style of writing. In Writer, a math formula is always located at the first place where you activate the formula editor. It looks like the natural part of a sentence. But in Impress, a just inputted formula is always p

[users] What extensions are OOo users using?

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
I am a heavy user of the PDF Import extension, as I save critical files in hybrid ODF-PDF format: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport What other extensions are OOo users using? Which tools can you recommend? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il

[users] Re: can not repeat blink effect (Impress)

2009-05-08 Thread Xiang Liu
Just a comment here. If you save it to ppt and open it with PowerPoint, it works. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Xiang Liu wrote: > see the attachment. or download it from > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/359105/blink.odp > > I animated square object with emphasis--blink effect and set the repeat

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> They're not trying for anarchy.  They're trying to kill any hope of > competition, as is shown by their track record.  Destroy ODF, so that > their own proprietary formats become the only choice. > Having ODF render differently in MSO and OOo will certainly help to destroy ODF. That is why I arg

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> All Shall Be Well; And All Shall Be Well; And All Manner of Things Shall Be > Well: A Novel by Tod Wodicka (Author) > But why state it three times? Does the repetition provide anything new? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> The whole market has chosen standard ODF, MS has not. > As MS is over 95% of the market, that is quite a loaded statement. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubsc

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 19:24:25 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: Dotan, I'm a bit confused. Isn't what you say here: > Having ODF render differently in MSO and OOo will certainly help to > destroy ODF. That is why I argue that OOo should render as MSO does. just what you label as unwise a few lines b

Re: [users] Math formula in Impress

2009-05-08 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Fri, 8 May 2009 22:51:59 +0800 Xiang Liu dijo: > The behavior in Impress should be improved. > > Everyone hopes a natural and flowing style of writing. In Writer, a math > formula is always located at the first place where you activate the formula > editor. It looks like the natural part of a

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Javier Rivera
Dotan Cohen wrote: Having ODF render differently in MSO and OOo will certainly help to destroy ODF. That is why I argue that OOo should render as MSO does. You are talking about empty concepts here. Too much philosophy about market leaders and no real example. Too much talking about rendering,

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Gene Young
Dotan Cohen wrote: All Shall Be Well; And All Shall Be Well; And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well: A Novel by Tod Wodicka (Author) But why state it three times? Does the repetition provide anything new? It is the name of the book. You'll have to ask the author why. -- Gene Y. --

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread James Knott
Dotan Cohen wrote: >> They're not trying for anarchy. They're trying to kill any hope of >> competition, as is shown by their track record. Destroy ODF, so that >> their own proprietary formats become the only choice. >> >> > > Having ODF render differently in MSO and OOo will certainly help

Re: [users] What extensions are OOo users using?

2009-05-08 Thread Harold Drabkin
Dotan Cohen wrote: I am a heavy user of the PDF Import extension, as I save critical files in hybrid ODF-PDF format: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport What other extensions are OOo users using? Which tools can you recommend? Depends on what you do a lot of I guess

Re: [users] What extensions are OOo users using?

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Color2Rows-2.0.5oxt comes in handy to ease display. > This is nice, thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Harold Fuchs
On 08/05/2009 18:20, Gene Young wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: All Shall Be Well; And All Shall Be Well; And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well: A Novel by Tod Wodicka (Author) But why state it three times? Does the repetition provide anything new? It is the name of the book. You'll have to as

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
2009/5/8 M. Fioretti : > On Fri, May 08, 2009 19:24:25 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Dotan, > > I'm a bit confused. Isn't what you say here: > >> Having ODF render differently in MSO and OOo will certainly help to >> destroy ODF. That is why I argue that OOo should render as MSO does. > > just w

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> If we found a place where the actual standard or the proposed one is > lacking, and MS has implemented it in some different way than OO, then yes, > as long as the standard (or a draft) is not defined, copying MS will be the > wiser thing to do. But when MS and the standard (even standard > recom

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Following MS is a moving target. If you want to be the market leader, you have to work for it. If not, then OOo will continue to be the "alternative" office suite used by FOSS fanatics and the rare person who's morals prevent pirating but who's checkbook cannot handle MSO. > Problem is the "le

[users] Sun Reports crashing Base

2009-05-08 Thread Keith Clark
I installed Sun Report Writer in Base 3.0 under Ubuntu 9.04 and it works just fine, except when I try to close the Report Writer. It crashes all Open Office applications. Is this a bug that should be reported, or is there some solution? Thanks, Keith -

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 21:21:57 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > If we found a place where the actual standard or the proposed one > > is lacking, and MS has implemented it in some different way than > > OO, then yes, as long as the standard (or a draft) is not defined, > > copying MS will be the wi

[users] Re: Planning and scheduling

2009-05-08 Thread Nelson Mambre
McLauchlan, Kevin wrote: Alternatively, does anybody know of a substitute for MS Project? Naturally, in this list I'm asking about a "free" version (as in source code available), but "free-as-in-beer" would also be nice... just not an absolute requirement. Haven't used it myself, just a quick l

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 21:18:55 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/5/8 M. Fioretti : > Exactly. I do not expect MS to code the ambiguous parts of ODF to be > compatible with OOo. I expect them to make it different. and why users, especially governments, should ever allow this really escapes me, so

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Lars Nooden
Dotan Cohen wrote: > If you want to be the market leader, you have to work for it. ... Interesting cognitive dissonance. Following MS won't make anyone a leader except MS, but that seems to be the point of such arguments. Smoke and mirrors to hide some trouble else where? Even at face value, it

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 21:28:52 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Following MS is a moving target. > > If you want to be the market leader, you have to work for it. couldn't agree more if all players had equal opportunities. If competition among software programs happened only around features, usab

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
>> > If we found a place where the actual standard or the proposed one >> > is lacking, and MS has implemented it in some different way than >> > OO, then yes, as long as the standard (or a draft) is not defined, >> > copying MS will be the wiser thing to do. > > To whoever wrote this (Dotan, can y

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
2009/5/8 M. Fioretti : > On Fri, May 08, 2009 21:18:55 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2009/5/8 M. Fioretti : > >> Exactly. I do not expect MS to code the ambiguous parts of ODF to be >> compatible with OOo. I expect them to make it different. > > and why users, especially governments, should ever

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2009/05/06 3:38 PM Harold Fuchs wrote: Thought this might be of interest even if OT. This thread, which has nothing to do with giving support to users is now 57 posts long. No wonder people complain about the number of emails they receive from this list. Shouldn't this type of discussion

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 22:07:15 PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > and why users, especially governments, should ever allow this > > really escapes me, sorry. > > > Because they are already MSO users. You are starting in the middle, > not the idealogical beginning. No, I was referring (not clearly en

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 13:46:49 PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2009/05/06 3:38 PM Harold Fuchs wrote: >> Thought this might be of interest even if OT. > This thread, which has nothing to do with giving support to users is > now 57 posts long. this thread is about the real, main reason to use OO

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Richard Detwiler
Larry Gusaas wrote: This thread, which has nothing to do with giving support to users is now 57 posts long. No wonder people complain about the number of emails they receive from this list. Shouldn't this type of discussion take place on the discuss list or even on the social list ? +1

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2009/05/08 1:52 PM M. Fioretti wrote: this thread is about the real, main reason to use OOo (=ODF) and advocate its adoption by public administrations. Explaining it may very well be the best support we could give to new users. And that discussion should be on the discuss list. See http://w

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread bobalethaking
Did you write to volunteer to help me with my problem? Last night I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 3.1. Now I have a mess! I can't open it, I can't repair it, and I can't uninstall it! Please Help Me!! Bob King Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2009/05/08 1:52 PM M. Fioretti wrote: this thread

[users] Re: Help request from bobalethaking

2009-05-08 Thread Dave Post
On May 8, 2009, at 6:01 PM, bobalethak...@gmail.com wrote: Did you write to volunteer to help me with my problem? Last night I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 3.1. Now I have a mess! I can't open it, I can't repair it, and I can't uninstall it! Please Help Me!! Bob King I have no

[users] Re: [slackware] Re: OO always opens full-screen :-( (rethreaded!)

2009-05-08 Thread Bev
NoOp wrote: On 05/07/2009 11:52 AM, Bev wrote: Well, here it is a year later and there's still no solution to my problem: when I open OO the main screen opens in BIGGER than full screen mode, requiring me to manually resize the screen to a reasonable size. It thinks it opens in non-full-scre

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread H.S.
Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Yes, what we are all missing. An unambiguous FOSS document file format. > hmm .. sorry for jumping in to this thread. Have been following the ambiguity in ODF 1.0 and 1.1 and how MSO exploited to do their own "extending". I think what others are trying to argue about is,

[users] Re: [slackware] Re: OO always opens full-screen :-( (rethreaded!)

2009-05-08 Thread NoOp
On 05/08/2009 04:17 PM, Bev wrote: > Do any of the developers read these groups, or is it strictly blind leading > the > blind? > File a friggin bug report. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For addi

[users] Volunteer help

2009-05-08 Thread Rob Clement
Did you write to volunteer to help me with my problem? Last night I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 3.1. Now I have a mess! I can't open it, I can't repair it, and I can't uninstall it! Please Help Me!! Bob King Bob I noticed you added a comment in a very long thread of e-mails about Mi

[users] Re: [slackware] Re: OO always opens full-screen :-( (rethreaded!)

2009-05-08 Thread Bev
NoOp wrote: On 05/08/2009 04:17 PM, Bev wrote: Do any of the developers read these groups, or is it strictly blind leading the blind? File a friggin bug report. Glad to. Got a URL? The OO website seems to regard THIS as the support function. Besides, is it a bug if I seem to be the onl

Re: [users] Math formula in Impress

2009-05-08 Thread Xiang Liu
Well, Anchor. But the Impress really different. I could not find the anchor option. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:06 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > The problem is that Impress is not automatically anchoring the formula > as a character. Right click on a formula and look at the options under > Anchor.

[users] Animation in Impress is really bad

2009-05-08 Thread Xiang Liu
the transition of animation is not smooth. It is really a long way to keep pace with PowerPoint. the Writer is good. --- WinXP w.odp Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-un

Re: [users] Animation in Impress is really bad

2009-05-08 Thread Web Kracked
Xiang Liu wrote: the transition of animation is not smooth. It is really a long way to keep pace with PowerPoint. the Writer is good. --- WinXP I found that some work better than others. Then the same transition works well one time then re-run it later, and it did not work as well. Then it

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread jonathon
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 16:26, Dotan Cohen wrote: > As MS is over 95% of the market, that is quite a loaded statement. Only for those who have swallowed the myth, hook, line, and sinker, that FLOSS is not software. jonathon - To

Re: [users] Re: [slackware] Re: OO always opens full-screen :-( (rethreaded!)

2009-05-08 Thread JOE Conner
Bev wrote: NoOp wrote: On 05/08/2009 04:17 PM, Bev wrote: Do any of the developers read these groups, or is it strictly blind leading the blind? File a friggin bug report. Glad to. Got a URL? The OO website seems to regard THIS as the support function. Besides, is it a bug if I seem

Re: [users] OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread jonathon
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 08:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: > They did not change the format. That is the most generous interpretation of their failure to adhere to the ODF 1.1 specifications. >> All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be >> well > OT: Could you please ex