Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-10 Thread Mathias Bauer
users@openoffice.org wrote: > Use MSO with some of the a11y tools, to discover just how much > functionality is gone. [Your a11y power user for MSO is not able to do > as much, functionally, as an intermediate non-a11y user.] OK, I see where you're coming from. As you seem to know more about a1

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-09 Thread users
Matthias wrote: I didn't talk about programs that are *optimized* for a11y. My I'm not either. For functional a11y it simply has to be able "play nicely" with existing/future a11y tools, and "describe" what it is doing/did do/can do. The "describe what it is doing/did do/can do" is where O

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-09 Thread Mathias Bauer
users@openoffice.org wrote: > As OOo is currently implemented, for complete support for Braille, Moon > Language, and ASL, there would need to be 5,000 selections for locale > data --- just for the currently supported languages. If OOo supported > all of the languages in ISO 639-4, there would

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-08 Thread Lou
Andy Pepperdine wrote: On Sunday 08 October 2006 00:54, Lou wrote: users@openoffice.org wrote: Andy wrote: Could someone tell us what the organisations that deal with the disadvantaged are doing to help themselves scratch their own itch? Those organizations are in the

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-08 Thread Andy Pepperdine
On Sunday 08 October 2006 00:54, Lou wrote: > users@openoffice.org wrote: > > Andy wrote: > >> Could someone tell us what the organisations that deal with the > >> disadvantaged are doing to help themselves scratch their own itch? > > > > Those organizations are in the classic position of: > > * Ge

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-07 Thread Lou
users@openoffice.org wrote: Andy wrote: Could someone tell us what the organisations that deal with the disadvantaged are doing to help themselves scratch their own itch? Those organizations are in the classic position of: * Getting funding from party number one; * Buying product from party n

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-07 Thread users
Andy wrote: Could someone tell us what the organisations that deal with the disadvantaged are doing to help themselves scratch their own itch? Those organizations are in the classic position of: * Getting funding from party number one; * Buying product from party number two; * Providing servic

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-07 Thread Andy Pepperdine
On Friday 06 October 2006 20:04, users@openoffice.org wrote: > Lou wrote; > > > I would like to give Brandon something which may be useful to him. > > Basically, what is needed is a list of screen readers that do work with > OOo on each of major versions of Windows. (95, 98, 98 SE, ME, 2K, XP) > A

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-06 Thread users
Lou wrote; I would like to give Brandon something which may be useful to him. Basically, what is needed is a list of screen readers that do work with OOo on each of major versions of Windows. (95, 98, 98 SE, ME, 2K, XP) And which version of the screen reading program works with each operati

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-05 Thread Lou
users@openoffice.org wrote: Matthias wrote: This is not true. I agree that the a11y support could be better, but you should know the code better before you make claims like this. I've looked at the code Select an operating system --- any operating system. Keep your monitor. Throw away your s

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Lou wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: >> Jonathon Blake wrote: >> >> >>> OOo needs a complete rewrite, if it is to be usable by people who >>> require a11y features. >>> >> >> This is not true. I agree that the a11y support could be better, but you >> should know the code better before you mak

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-05 Thread users
Lou wrote: Does that mean that Brandon could use OpenOffice on the Mac or on Linux and, if so, how? I think that the Screen reader that Humanware makes, works with OOo, on windows. [You just need a lot of RAM and a fast chip.] I've forgotten what it costs, but if it is in the same price ran

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-05 Thread users
Matthias wrote: This is not true. I agree that the a11y support could be better, but you should know the code better before you make claims like this. I've looked at the code Select an operating system --- any operating system. Keep your monitor. Throw away your standard keyboard. Throw away

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-05 Thread Lou
Mathias Bauer wrote: Jonathon Blake wrote: OOo needs a complete rewrite, if it is to be usable by people who require a11y features. This is not true. I agree that the a11y support could be better, but you should know the code better before you make claims like this. Simply speaking,

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Jonathon Blake wrote: > OOo needs a complete rewrite, if it is to be usable by people who > require a11y features. This is not true. I agree that the a11y support could be better, but you should know the code better before you make claims like this. Simply speaking, OOo uses the a11y support fro

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-04 Thread Jonathon Blake
Barrie wrote: Having read a review of Gnome 2.16, the inclusion of Orca accessibility Thanks for the links. When I get a Linux system installed, I'll test it out. xan jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Motto of Nacarima

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-04 Thread Barrie Backhurst
On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 15:40 +, Jonathon Blake wrote: > Lou wrote: > > > So how does KOffice measure up? Do you know? > > I am not running Linux right now, so I can't test it out. > > What you can do, is download and install it, and see how many of the > conditions i laid out it satisfies. >

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-03 Thread Jonathon Blake
Lou wrote: So how does KOffice measure up? Do you know? I am not running Linux right now, so I can't test it out. What you can do, is download and install it, and see how many of the conditions i laid out it satisfies. Not an acid test, but one way to see if the Office Suite is serious abou

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-03 Thread Lou
Jonathon Blake wrote: Lou wrote: According to the following announcement, Koffice has text to speech. Text2Speech is just one part of the equation. From a purely a11y POV, the critical issue is data input, not output. A fully a11y program can handle input that uses any of the following: *

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-03 Thread Jonathon Blake
Lou wrote: According to the following announcement, Koffice has text to speech. Text2Speech is just one part of the equation. From a purely a11y POV, the critical issue is data input, not output. A fully a11y program can handle input that uses any of the following: * Joystick; * Perkins Ke

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Lou
Hi again. According to the following announcement, Koffice has text to speech. Perhaps other users could comment because I am not familiar with the subject: http://www.koffice.org/announcements/announce-1.5.php Brandon Hicks wrote: Hi, Thanks for the info. part of it is because it would f

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Lou
Hi, Brandon. I've tried searching. The only comparable software I've found so far is a text editor called Text Pal. This is a download link for the Windows version (perhaps the only one): http://www.empowermentzone.com/textpalsetup.exe. There is a review here: http://www.accesswatch.info/

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread James McKenzie
Jonathon Blake wrote: > Richard wrote: >> Pardon my ignorance, but what does "a11y" mean? > > accessibility. It stands for A Eleven Y, not ally. It is a set of guidelines for building accessibility into applications. Much like the Section 508 code in the United States (which I have to deal with.)

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Jonathon Blake
Richard wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but what does "a11y" mean? accessibility. xan jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Motto of Nacarima. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additi

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Richard Detwiler
Jonathon Blake wrote: OOo needs a complete rewrite, if it is to be usable by people who require a11y features. I'll also point out that a11y features are also the ones that corporate executives need the most. Pardon my ignorance, but what does "a11y" mean? -

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Jonathon Blake
Lou wrote: So screen-reading software cannot read OpenOffice windows? For JHW to work, you have to turn accessiblity _OFF_. If a function can not be accessed thruogh a menu, then it is not usable. Or is screen-reading software no good? OOo needs a complete rewrite, if it is to be usable b

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Brandon Hicks
Hi, Thanks for the info. part of it is because it would faster, simpler, and more effective to write an office suite from scratch, that is designed for people who require a11y features. Do you know of any other office suites that are accessible, while still remaining cheap or free? Thanks agai

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Lou
Jonathon Blake wrote: Brandon wrote: I'm a visually impaired high school student. For all practical purposes, OpenOffice.org does not work with JFW. Are there any scripts out there for Open Office I haven't seen any, and the people on the a11y lists I subscribe to won't create them for va

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Jonathon Blake
Brandon wrote: I'm a visually impaired high school student. For all practical purposes, OpenOffice.org does not work with JFW. Are there any scripts out there for Open Office I haven't seen any, and the people on the a11y lists I subscribe to won't create them for various reasons. [Part of

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Brandon Hicks
Hi Lou, Thanks for the suggestion, however I can't see at all. The program I mentioned provides speech in dialogs and such. The program can't access the text due to the way Office is set up. Thanks Brandon Lou wrote: Hi. Would it help to increase font sizes on the dialogues? You can incr

Re: [users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Lou
Hi. Would it help to increase font sizes on the dialogues? You can increase them by using Tools >Options. Select the category "View" under "OpenOffice.org". At the top of that tab on the left is a heading "User Interface" and below that the word "Scaling". To the right of that is a control

[users] JFW Scripts?

2006-10-02 Thread Brandon Hicks
Hello list, I'm a visually impaired high school student. I just downloaded Open Office to see what it was like. I ran it on a laptop running Windows XP SP2 and JAWS 7.0 and had a limited amount of success reading dialogs such as the mail merge, and even the registration. Are there any scripts