Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Tom Hendrikx
On 08/10/2014 04:30 PM, Andy wrote: Hello it's the toymaker with the spam problem again. I am just wondering if I could get a second opinion on a response I just received from Lunarpages tech support (albeit the first level, and probably a canned response). It would be helpful to present

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Andy
I've copied a few of your responses (without including any names) and sent them to support at lunarpages. And maybe it's due to that that after six+ months of battling with them, I now get this from their support. The user_prefs file exists under your account, in /home/-/.spamassassin; you

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread RW
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:34:34 -0700 Andy wrote: I've copied a few of your responses (without including any names) and sent them to support at lunarpages. And maybe it's due to that that after six+ months of battling with them, I now get this from their support. The user_prefs file exists

Re: spamassassin at 100 percent CPU

2014-08-11 Thread Joe Quinn
Keep replies on list. Do you remember making any changes, or are you using spamassassin as it comes? What kind of email is going through your server? Very large emails can cause trouble with poorly written rules. If you can, perhaps systematically turn off things that are pushing email to

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Andy
ok so if i understand things the only way that is feasible for any person/business to be using Spam Assassin is to either have an IT department, hire out, or expect that their ISP host is doing the work. do i have that right? On Mon, August 11, 2014 6:05 am, RW wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2014

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread jpff
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Andy wrote: ok so if i understand things the only way that is feasible for any person/business to be using Spam Assassin is to either have an IT department, hire out, or expect that their ISP host is doing the work. do i have that right? There are alternatives which

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Axb
On 08/11/2014 03:23 PM, Andy wrote: ok so if i understand things the only way that is feasible for any person/business to be using Spam Assassin is to either have an IT department, hire out, or expect that their ISP host is doing the work. do i have that right? Yes, you have it right... You

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Andy
OK, but since early on in this discussion there was question whether I had adminstrative access. I just thought that SA being common source like it is, there are also shareable files with whatever the latest tweaks or scripts or whatever the .spamassassin file is. If I'm sounding like a leech,

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:45:24 -0700 Andy a...@opticaltoys.com wrote: If I'm sounding like a leech, that's because in this case I would very much like to be. :o) I have fired paying customers for behaving like you. It's even worse to abuse a community of free software users and authors. Paid

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Axb
On 08/11/2014 03:45 PM, Andy wrote: OK, but since early on in this discussion there was question whether I had adminstrative access. I just thought that SA being common source like it is, there are also shareable files with whatever the latest tweaks or scripts or whatever the .spamassassin file

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Andy
Sheesh. Sorry to offend. As far as it goes, I'm a leech for using Spam Assassin right now as it is. Ok I can see my welcome is over here. I'm outta here. Thanks everyone (else). On Mon, August 11, 2014 7:00 am, David F. Skoll wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:45:24 -0700 Andy a...@opticaltoys.com

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of August 11, 2014 10:00:34 AM -0400, David F. Skoll is alleged to have said: On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:45:24 -0700 Andy a...@opticaltoys.com wrote: If I'm sounding like a leech, that's because in this case I would very much like to be. :o) I have fired paying customers for behaving

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread RW
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:45:24 -0700 Andy wrote: OK, but since early on in this discussion there was question whether I had adminstrative access. I just thought that SA being common source like it is, there are also shareable files with whatever the latest tweaks or scripts or whatever the

Running SA without the bayesian classifier

2014-08-11 Thread Matteo Dessalvi
Hi all. This may be a very stupid question but I would like to ask you all anyway. I am planning to install SA on our SMTP MTAs, which deals only with outgoing traffic generated in the internal network. I am making the assumption that our clients are mostly sending 'clean' email (I know, I am

Re: Running SA without the bayesian classifier

2014-08-11 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/11/2014 10:38 AM, Matteo Dessalvi wrote: Hi all. This may be a very stupid question but I would like to ask you all anyway. I am planning to install SA on our SMTP MTAs, which deals only with outgoing traffic generated in the internal network. I am making the assumption that our clients

Re: Spam Assassin - does it work or not?

2014-08-11 Thread Steve Bergman
On 08/11/2014 09:06 AM, Andy wrote: Sheesh. Sorry to offend. As far as it goes, I'm a leech for using Spam Assassin right now as it is. I'd be inclined to just make sure that Thunderbird's (your headers indicate you are using Thunderbird) adaptive filtering is turned on (which I don't think

Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...

2014-08-11 Thread Bob Proulx
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What do other people do? Or are we just going to end up with an Internet in about 10 years where every single email box is either on Microsoft 365 or Gmail and the NSA has a wonderful interface to use to hunt through

Opinions needed on what to consider spam

2014-08-11 Thread Alex
Hi, Hopefully you'll consider this a related question, as I would really appreciate your input. We periodically have users that complain about receiving email they believe to be spam, but it looks to be legitimate. One current case was an email received from Computer Associates. It passed through

Re: Opinions needed on what to consider spam

2014-08-11 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 11.08.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Alex: We periodically have users that complain about receiving email they believe to be spam you will never goal an universal opinion about what is ham/spam on shared systems if not tagged auto ( or by the admin after human watch etc ), users may blacklist it by

Re: Opinions needed on what to consider spam

2014-08-11 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 11 August 2014 at 21:02:38 (EU time), Alex wrote: We periodically have users that complain about receiving email they believe to be spam, but it looks to be legitimate. What's your definition of legitimate :) ? My definition of spam is email which is: - unsolicited (ie: the user

Re: Opinions needed on what to consider spam

2014-08-11 Thread Steve Bergman
On 08/11/2014 02:02 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, Hopefully you'll consider this a related question, as I would really appreciate your input. We periodically have users that complain about receiving email they believe to be spam, but it looks to be legitimate. I'm still pretty much a newbie after only 3

Rule for single URL in body with very few text

2014-08-11 Thread Karl Johnson
Hello all, I've recently installed Spamassassin (v3.3.1) + Amavis on a SMTP MTA server which is only used for outgoing email. I had to install SA to deal with compromised accounts that are used to send spam. It works pretty good for now however spam with only 1 URL in the body and few text are

Re: Rule for single URL in body with very few text

2014-08-11 Thread Jari Fredriksson
11.08.2014, 22:48, Karl Johnson kirjoitti: Hello all, I've recently installed Spamassassin (v3.3.1) + Amavis on a SMTP MTA server which is only used for outgoing email. I had to install SA to deal with compromised accounts that are used to send spam. It works pretty good for now however spam

Re: Running SA without the bayesian classifier

2014-08-11 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 16:38 +0200, Matteo Dessalvi wrote: I am planning to install SA on our SMTP MTAs, which deals only with outgoing traffic generated in the internal network. Outgoing traffic. That means, most DNSBLs are either completely useless or effectively disabled. You'll also need to

Re: Rule for single URL in body with very few text

2014-08-11 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 15:48 -0400, Karl Johnson wrote: Is there any rule to score an email with only 1 URL and very few text? It could trigger only text formatted email because they usually aren't in HTML. Identify very short (raw)bodies. rawbody __RB_GT_200 /^.{201}/s meta

Re: Rule for single URL in body with very few text

2014-08-11 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 22:57 +0300, Jari Fredriksson wrote: * 1.8 DKIM_ADSP_DISCARD No valid author signature, domain signs all mail * and suggests discarding the rest This is a corner case. I got it tagged, but probably just because I tested it later and URIBL has it now.

Re: spamassassin at 100 percent CPU

2014-08-11 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 09:18 -0400, Joe Quinn wrote: Keep replies on list. Do you remember making any changes, or are you using spamassassin as it comes? What kind of email is going through your server? Very large emails can cause trouble with poorly written rules. If you can, perhaps