Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread Anne P. Mitchell Esq.
> > My sense is that ESPs engage ISIPP thinking they are getting an advocate and > ambassador to mailbox providers when in fact they get a teacher/evangelist > for sender best practices. ITYM 'schooled in best practices. ;-) ;-) Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law CEO/President, SuretyMail

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread Bill Cole
On 26 Dec 2017, at 9:46 (-0500), Sebastian Arcus wrote: So you will excuse me if I take any whitelist which helps marketing emailing lists "improve deliverability" with a very big dollop of salt. Of course. I don't give significant ham weight to any of the default IADB rules other than

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017, Anne P. Mitchell Esq. wrote: What do you call *verified* opt-in (what the marketers call "double opt-in"), where the recipient needs to comfirm that they gave permission for contact via that email address before receiving any content, in order to avoid unwanted

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread Anne P. Mitchell Esq.
> > What do you call *verified* opt-in (what the marketers call "double opt-in"), > where the recipient needs to comfirm that they gave permission for contact > via that email address before receiving any content, in order to avoid > unwanted third-party subscriptions? Confirmed opt-in,

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017, Anne P. Mitchell Esq. wrote: Where we say "opt-in" we mean exactly that - single opt-in; if someone didn't ask for the email not only would we call that "opt-out", but we would not certify that sender's email. What do you call *verified* opt-in (what the marketers call

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread Anne P. Mitchell Esq.
> > 'magically' re-subscribe after a while, or simply get around rules by > creating a new list and re-subscribing everybody who unsubscribed. Just so you know, that behavior is specifically made illegal by CAN-SPAM. And Sebastian, I see that you are in the UK, which already has tighter

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread Anne P. Mitchell Esq.
Bill, thank you for this excellent explanation, and for the kind words! For those of you who don't know us, or me, I came out of MAPS; I was in-house counsel for MAPS during the first rash of lawsuits against MAPS brought by spammers. To say that I am rabidly anti-spam would be an

Re: DMARC and mailing lists (was Re: IADB whitelist)

2017-12-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2017-12-26 18:49: have you never been subscribed to spammers' blacklist without your permission? On 26.12.17 19:01, Benny Pedersen wrote: hopefully apache.org does know how to handle spam you did not narrow your sentence on apache mailing lists, perhaps you

Re: DMARC and mailing lists (was Re: IADB whitelist)

2017-12-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2017-12-26 18:49: have you never been subscribed to spammers' blacklist without your permission? hopefully apache.org does know how to handle spam

Re: DMARC and mailing lists (was Re: IADB whitelist)

2017-12-26 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
RW skrev den 2017-12-26 18:05: I didn't receive any posts in "IADB whitelist" thread from the OP because they all failed DMARC with a reject policy. I found the posts on gmane. On 26.12.17 18:21, Benny Pedersen wrote: stop reject maillists no matter if dmarc fails have you never been

Re: DMARC and mailing lists (was Re: IADB whitelist)

2017-12-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
RW skrev den 2017-12-26 18:05: I didn't receive any posts in "IADB whitelist" thread from the OP because they all failed DMARC with a reject policy. I found the posts on gmane. stop reject maillists no matter if dmarc fails Posting to mailing lists with a domain using a strict DMARC policy

DMARC and mailing lists (was Re: IADB whitelist)

2017-12-26 Thread RW
I didn't receive any posts in "IADB whitelist" thread from the OP because they all failed DMARC with a reject policy. I found the posts on gmane. Posting to mailing lists with a domain using a strict DMARC policy is inherently risky because you are losing the redundancy of an aligned SPF pass

Re: IADB whitelist

2017-12-26 Thread Sebastian Arcus
On 25/12/17 23:57, Bill Cole wrote: On 25 Dec 2017, at 3:28 (-0500), Sebastian Arcus wrote: Also, any idea why are there 6 different rules associated with this particular whitelist? IADB has many independent return codes that each have distinct meaning. See