Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Noel Butler
On 24/07/2020 04:29, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek? > > Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming > people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about > forking was serious > > Ted >

Re: Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread Charles Sprickman
That reminds me: Eric, BLM and all the good Marxists and community organizers, and those who think the people that talk about “the decline of western civilization” hold some very questionable values about folks that don’t look like them, I’d like to thank you on behalf of all these

Re: Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread Charles Sprickman
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Eric Broch wrote: > > Political correctness, BLM and Antifa (LGBTQ) as well as feminism (and many > other agendas) are being used as battering rams to destroy western culture > and usher in Marxist global governance. The real agenda isn't

Re: Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread micah anderson
BLM thanks Eric Broch for his continued support. If you pass on your address, I'll be sure to tell them to send you a postcard in thanks for your donation. Eric Broch writes: > Political correctness, BLM and Antifa (LGBTQ) as well as feminism (and > many other agendas) are being used as

Re: Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread Eric Broch
Political correctness, BLM and Antifa (LGBTQ) as well as feminism (and many other agendas) are being used as battering rams to destroy western culture and usher in Marxist global governance. The real agenda isn't "getting along" it's quite the opposite. On 7/23/2020 4:41 PM, Antony Stone

Re: Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 23 July 2020 at 22:44:51, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > The Apache foundation has some cash laying around. Make whatever wording > changes you like, but **at the same time**, donate a meaningful amount > of money to a cause like the ACLU or the defense/medical funds for the > protestors.

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 23 Jul 2020, at 0:56, Laurent S. wrote: BIMI requires DMARC, which is much easier to implement if you are a phisher creating a brand new domain .xyz with all the right SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI. Putting the paypal logo on that .xyz domain and there you go. Your regular legit company will

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Search for "you" in your response to me. -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:09 PM Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > On 7/22/2020 11:14 PM, Kevin A. McGrail

Re: Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Michael, Interesting out of the box thinking but I believe any funds at the foundation that we have DO make a real change in the world. In 21 years, we've changed the way computing happens. There is far too much misinformation. The only reconfiguring of boxes is years away when 4.1 is

Constructive solution to the blacklist thread

2020-07-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I'd like to offer a constructive solution to the blacklist/whitelist argument to the Apache foundation and Kevin in particular. There is opposition to this change on at least two fronts: * Philosophical: the change does nothing to address the underlying political problems. Black people are

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek? > > Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming > people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about > forking was

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 7/23/2020 10:12 AM, Ralph Seichter wrote: explained repeatedly. Some people thinking the connection to racism exists do not turn this alleged connection into a fact. But don't you understand Ralph that those people are the Very Most Importantist People In The Entire World so what they

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Was it really that unclear that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek? Man o Man I missed my calling in life. I should have gone into scamming people if I was able to get you guys to think that load of BS about forking was serious Ted On 7/23/2020 7:06 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Note: If you

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 7/22/2020 11:14 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: I posted it without any opinion just as a data point. No need for the personal attack. What personal attack? It's a standard and google is an org. Neither are people. Ted

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-23 Thread Dave Funk
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020, Antony Stone wrote: On Thursday 23 July 2020 at 04:36:41, Olivier wrote: I am wondering what grey list should be renamed... Why - has the zombie population started complaining about racial slurs? You have just pissed off Oscar the gray geriatric grouch. ;) This is

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-23 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 23 July 2020 at 04:36:41, Olivier wrote: > I am wondering what grey list should be renamed... Why - has the zombie population started complaining about racial slurs? Antony. -- "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet." - William Gibson

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-23 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Alex Woick: > The racism behind descriptive things like blacklist and whitelist is > so subtle, so old, so established, nobody realizes they are racist > except the people it is against. There is no globally applicaple notion of racism in these terms, as I explained repeatedly. Some people

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Joseph Brennan
Thanks Kevin. We need to know about it. Like DMARC, it is promoted as a standard to the C-level execs, but I can't find a RFC that supports that claim. And it depends on DMARC! It's another open rate tracker. I have image loading turned off in Gmail. I wonder whether that will stop loading this

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 15:01 +, Riccardo Alfieri wrote: > I think that rspamd's approach is correct. Rspamd just takes SA rules > and use them. It doesn't provide the rules, meaning that you most > likely > need to have an installation of at least sa-update on the same > machine > that runs

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
Riccardo Alfieri skrev den 2020-07-23 17:01: On 23/07/20 16:53, Benny Pedersen wrote: so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other I think that rspamd's approach is correct. i am not a jura

Re: More Responses about Various Questions revolving around WelcomeLIst/BlockList changes

2020-07-23 Thread Alex Woick
Difficult to find an appropriate thread. I fully support the naming changes, in current configurations and new projects. Be it with SpamAssassin, be it with everything else. The changes are necessary. They are overdue for years. I woke up last year from being an "old white man". I was an old

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Riccardo Alfieri
On 23/07/20 16:53, Benny Pedersen wrote: so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other I think that rspamd's approach is correct. Rspamd just takes SA rules and use them. It doesn't provide the

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2020-07-23 16:06: Note: If you fork a project, you cannot use the name, just the code. so rspamd cant make support to spamassassin rules without permission to change rules names ?, but thay did, wonderfull world of help each other

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Note: If you fork a project, you cannot use the name, just the code. For SA, You would need your own update system. Rules are also open source so you can use them but would have to rename many especially those with initials. And remove / gain permission for thhe rules that are 3rd party used

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
Ted Mittelstaedt skrev den 2020-07-23 07:28: Go ahead and support it if you want but please don't pretend it's purpose is to make things safer. It's purpose is to enrich someone's pockets. without dnssec nothing is safe maybe thay want to sell that aswell ?

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 09:36 +0700, Olivier wrote: > I am wondering what grey list should be renamed... Ageist! ;-) Martin

Re: Why the new changes need to be "depricated" forever

2020-07-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 21:53 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > You could even fork the SpamAssassin code if you like, you know. In > fact, let's do that. We will make a new fork and call it the > "SpamAssasin-N-W" short for SpamAssassin Non Wussy, put it up on > Sorceforge for download, and just

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Laurent S.
On 23.07.20 08:14, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > However, I have questions of adoption rate, impersonation concerns, > anticompetitive concerns, and privacy concerns. This just sounds like > a commercial tracking pixel but the devil is in the details. As the logo path is supposed to be published

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Jari Fredriksson
On 23.7.2020 9.14, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: I posted it without any opinion just as a data point. No need for the personal attack. If the feature ends up helping me classify spam.or ham accurately, maybe it's a good thing. I pay for plenty of intelligence feeds to do that. However, I have

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:14, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: However, I have questions of adoption rate, impersonation concerns, anticompetitive concerns, and privacy concerns. This just sounds like a commercial tracking pixel but the devil is in the details. The pilot will shake things out more I

Re: Thanks to Guardian Digital & LinuxSecurity for the nice post about SpamAssassin's upcoming change

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
DelayList would be my off the cuff thought. Grey isn't racially charged but renaming it would be more descriptive on what it does. The SA project doesn't have any greylisting functionality, that is usually the MTA. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 22:37 Olivier wrote: > I am wondering what grey list

Re: BIMI pilot at Google

2020-07-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I posted it without any opinion just as a data point. No need for the personal attack. If the feature ends up helping me classify spam.or ham accurately, maybe it's a good thing. I pay for plenty of intelligence feeds to do that. However, I have questions of adoption rate, impersonation