Re[2]: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-02 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Loren, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 6:23:46 PM, you wrote: >> To the extent that user_prefs files and (most) command-line options >> are similarly backwards- and forwards-compatible, this upgrade will >> be painless for us. To be more explicit, I would like to make >> necessary changes *b

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread Lucas Albers
I think as many of the changes for an upgrade between 2.6 and 3.0 should be documented somewhere. Not the upgrade document, because their are two many changes. (eg, My bug on this issue got rejected.) In the wiki somewhere, then. David Brodbeck said: > Lucas Albers wrote: > >>Some options kick yo

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:58:48AM -0500, Mike Burger wrote: > > While I would never presume to suggest that you work with pre-release in a > huge production environment, like at Panix, would it not have behooved > someone, there, to run them in a test environment...even stage the upgrade > to

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Burger writes: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 06:40:18PM -0600, Lucas Albers wrote: > > > Some options kick you in the face. > > > Such as -a for spamd which will prevent it from starting. > > > > Ouch

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread Mike Burger
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 06:40:18PM -0600, Lucas Albers wrote: > > Some options kick you in the face. > > Such as -a for spamd which will prevent it from starting. > > Ouch. > > Is the list of deprecated options and directives in the UPGRADE > document

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread jdow
From: "snowjack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Kelson wrote: > > How about ROSS: Real Open Source Software? > > Bitchin' Open Source Software: BOSS That's as bad as the acronym/name for what I developed back in the CP/M 1.3 days when I could not afford both the disk drives and the copy of CP/M, Disk-Base

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread Loren Wilton
> To the extent that user_prefs files and (most) command-line options > are similarly backwards- and forwards-compatible, this upgrade will > be painless for us. To be more explicit, I would like to make > necessary changes *before* the upgrade to the extent that I can, in > such a way that the sy

RE: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-10-01 Thread Kurt Buff
I like it - ROSS - Stress for Less. > -Original Message- > From: Kelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 15:18 > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions > > > Matt Kettler wrote: > > G

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 05:04:35PM -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: > At 04:43 PM 9/30/2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: > >we are pretty unhappy about the skimpy upgrade documentation > > Hmm, true, but are you volunteering to help write better documentation? I would be happy to summarize whatever I learn a

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread David Brodbeck
Lucas Albers wrote: Some options kick you in the face. Such as -a for spamd which will prevent it from starting. But it gives you an error message explaining exactly what you have to do, so that's pretty much self-documenting.

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread snowjack
Kelson wrote: How about ROSS: Real Open Source Software? Bitchin' Open Source Software: BOSS :-)

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Kelson
Kelson wrote: Matt Kettler wrote: Perhaps we need a new one.. NBSOSS.. No BS Open Source Software... :) How about ROSS: Real Open Source Software? Sorry to reply to my own post, but I came up with a few funnier ones: TOSS - True Open Source Software. FLOSS - Freely Licenced Open Source Software U-D

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Robert LeBlanc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Kettler wrote: | I liked OSS better, but then several companies decided offering | high-dollar licenses to their code made them "open source software" and | diluted any meaning that expression had. Actually, I believe the "Free" in FOSS was motivat

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Kelson
Matt Kettler wrote: Given that it's been around for at least 6 years (I spotted it in a May 1998 post on usenet) I don't think FOSS is going anywhere. I liked OSS better, but then several companies decided offering high-dollar licenses to their code made them "open source software" and diluted

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:11 PM 9/30/2004, Will Yardley wrote: Side note - who came up with this horrible acronym (I can't bring myself to repeat it), and can people stop using it already! Given that it's been around for at least 6 years (I spotted it in a May 1998 post on usenet) I don't think FOSS is going anywhere

RE: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Matt Kettler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 5:05 PM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions > > >At 04:43 PM 9/30/2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: >>we are pretty

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Will Yardley
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 05:04:35PM -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: > At 04:43 PM 9/30/2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: > > we are pretty unhappy about the skimpy upgrade documentation > > Hmm, true, but are you volunteering to help write better documentation? > (General principle in FOSS: If you don't like

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Matt Kettler
At 04:43 PM 9/30/2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: we are pretty unhappy about the skimpy upgrade documentation Hmm, true, but are you volunteering to help write better documentation? (General principle in FOSS: If you don't like it, volunteer to help if you're able.) At least this time there is an UPG

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 06:40:18PM -0600, Lucas Albers wrote: > Some options kick you in the face. > Such as -a for spamd which will prevent it from starting. Ouch. Is the list of deprecated options and directives in the UPGRADE document definitive? Here at Panix -- where we have a bunch of spam

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-30 Thread Lucas Albers
Some options kick you in the face. Such as -a for spamd which will prevent it from starting. I guess we can add in a wiki entry for upgrades from 3.0 instead of forcing the dev's to document every nit-picking thing. Some options are just ignored, eg, no backward compatibility. bayes autolearn cha

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-29 Thread Will Yardley
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 06:01:05PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote: > 1. Deprecated directives. If a configuration includes the >deprecated "rewrite_subject" directive, will spamd barf? Or >ignore it? Or something else? What about spamassassin? Heya Ben.. long time no speak :> I have a bu

Re: 2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-29 Thread Matt Kettler
At 06:01 PM 9/29/2004, Ben Rosengart wrote: 1. Deprecated directives. If a configuration includes the deprecated "rewrite_subject" directive, will spamd barf? Or ignore it? Or something else? What about spamassassin? Based on past experience they generally don't cause problems on their ow

2.6 -> 3.0 migration questions

2004-09-29 Thread Ben Rosengart
1. Deprecated directives. If a configuration includes the deprecated "rewrite_subject" directive, will spamd barf? Or ignore it? Or something else? What about spamassassin? 2. Spamd/spamc protocol. Will a 2.6 spamc communicate properly with a 3.0 spamd? What about a 3.0 spamc with a