On Fri, 11 Aug 2017, John Hardin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017, Scott wrote:
I'm chicken. :D
I don't have much (almost no) experience overriding those yum packages.
It's pretty simple, just "yum install {local_filename}"
And those warnings I got when I rebuilt from source made me nervous
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017, Scott wrote:
I'm chicken. :D
I don't have much (almost no) experience overriding those yum packages.
It's pretty simple, just "yum install {local_filename}"
And those warnings I got when I rebuilt from source made me nervous.
I suppose I could publish the Centos 7 x8
I'm chicken. :D
I don't have much (almost no) experience overriding those yum packages. And
those warnings I got when I rebuilt from source made me nervous.
Maybe when the dust settles...
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017, Scott wrote:
Centos7 (selinux disabled at the time of testing)
Spamassassin 3.4.0
Next on your plate: upgrading to 3.4.1...
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/25/Everything/source/tree/Packages/s/spamassassin-3.4.1-9.fc25.src.rpm
It works jes' fine he
I strongly suspected bayes auto-learn was not functioning. Read the thread
for evidence. In local.cf had the bayes path set to:
/etc/mail/bayes/bayes
Don't remember if it came packaged that way or if I followed someone else's
"guide" to ed up with that bad location. I do s
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xOn 11-08-17 17:05, Scott wrote:
> I'm going to go back and look at my build notes but I think that directory
> got created for me. It's just as possible i followed some "guide". I am
> positive i did not think it up on my own LOL. I remember more than set of
> instructions one with that path se
care at this point.
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Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> don't set the path, that way it should work OOTB.
Maybe amavis is different and has it's own internl default location, but
the equivalent for spamd relies on the packager giving the spamd user a
unix home directory.
I once saw a
On 10.08.17 20:15, Scott wrote:
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavisd/.spamassassin/
New box:
/etc/mail/bayes
On 11.08.17 16:22, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
Do did you change bayes p
On 10.08.17 20:15, Scott wrote:
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavisd/.spamassassin/
New box:
/etc/mail/bayes
Do did you change bayes path in first place?
amavis is the only one who pr
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:15:48 -0700 (MST)
Scott wrote:
> For reasons beyond my skill set,
> SA will not auto-learn to a bayes db in a folder in /etc/mail/bayes.
> Regardless of wide open permissions on everything except /etc. And
> the user's confirmed ability to write to the folder.
But sa-lea
Aug 10, 2017; 10:15pm Scottonline Scott Re: Bayes auto-learn - not
happening, tentative success
Well, here's a development...
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavis
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nlocking lock
Aug 10 16:48:39.119 [7524] dbg: locker: safe_unlock: unlink
/etc/mail/bayes/bayes.lock
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ng IT a problem? Is this a hint? (fingers crossed)
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0349 0 non-token data: nspam
0.000 0478 0 non-token data: nham
0.000 0 166030 0 non-token data: ntokens
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Imho You need 100 ham and 100 spam to auto learning working. Do manual
learning
08.08.2017 8:20 PM "Scott Techlist" napisał(a):
> Centos7
> Postfix 3.2.2
> Amavisd-new 2.11.0
> Spamassassin 3.4.0
> Site-wide configuration
>
> This is a new box and I've configured some conservative values for
> a
=-2.3],
autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no, autolearnscore=-2.299, 4376 ms
Now this sender and a similar message would have been in my my corpus so I
don't expect IT to learn, but I'd expect others to.
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.3],
autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no, autolearnscore=-2.299, 4376 ms
Now this sender and a similar message would have been in my my corpus so I
don't expect IT to learn, but I'd expect others to.
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>surely, it makes no sense blow up the database with already 100%
>classified samples - you even don't do that uncnditional with a
>hand-trained database (at least not forever, at the begin it makes sense
>to get additional tokens)
I think you misunderstood my question. I meant that as I look at
>surely, it makes no sense blow up the database with already 100%
>classified samples - you even don't do that uncnditional with a
>hand-trained database (at least not forever, at the begin it makes sense
>to get additional tokens)
I think you misunderstood my question. I meant that as I look at
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assin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on
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TP_TO_IP=0.001,OBFUSCATING_COMMENT=0.723,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.886,RAZOR2_CHECK=2.5,RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449,RDNS_NONE=0.793,SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL=3,SPF_SOFTFAIL=3,T_HTML_TAG_BALANCE_CENTER=0.01,URIBL_ABUSE_SURBL=1.25],
autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no, autolearnscore=21.255, 5305 ms
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ONE=0.793,SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL=3,SPF_SOFTFAIL=3,T_HTML_TAG_BALANCE_CENTER=0.01,URIBL_ABUSE_SURBL=1.25],
autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no, autolearnscore=21.255, 5305 ms
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ug 3 13:02 ..
-rwxrwxrwx 1 amavis amavis 86016 Aug 9 09:51 bayes_seen
-rwxrwxrwx 1 amavis amavis 5246976 Aug 9 13:49 bayes_toks
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On 08/10/2017 10:06 AM, techlist06 wrote:
Update: Still NOT working, but I'm giving it hell trying to figure out why :)
First a couple of answers to other's questions:
- John, others, not an ISP, high is relative I'm sure but the volume is much
higher than I can duplicate and review every flag
On 10.08.17 10:06, techlist06 wrote:
Update: Still NOT working, but I'm giving it hell trying to figure out why :)
- Matus: re:" autolearn=unavailable apparently due to not accessible bayes
database [due to permissions]". I hope you are right. That would make
sense to me. See below please
Update: Still NOT working, but I'm giving it hell trying to figure out why :)
First a couple of answers to other's questions:
- John, others, not an ISP, high is relative I'm sure but the volume is much
higher than I can duplicate and review every flagged message. Right now
running at about 10
On 08/08/2017 08:02 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
On 2017-08-08 15:20, Scott wrote:
Another new one big score, auto-learn disabled. This one is fairly small.
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=29.428 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.4
tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.076, DCC_CHECK=3.2,
DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001,
On 08.08.17 14:38, Scott wrote:
Brand new spam arrives. It gets
autolearn=unavailable.
[...]
su amavis -c 'sa-learn -D --spam --showdots --max-size=600 --mbox
/home/mail/twospam'
Aug 8 16:35:23.567 [18045] dbg: bayes: learned
'419769464db0fabb0f1220f9ae0cf12931ad7076@sa_generated', atim
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
I stopped
autolearning and hacked up some scripts that put duplicate of each ham
message into a folder which is then processed by sa-learn from a
cronjob, with sufficient delay that I can review the contents and remove
any false negatives; and similarly w
On 2017-08-08 15:20, Scott wrote:
> Another new one big score, auto-learn disabled. This one is fairly small.
>
> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=29.428 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.4
> tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.076, DCC_CHECK=3.2,
> DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001,
> FILL_THIS_FORM=0.001, FROM_
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>you need to train your bayes *by hand* to start with - how do you expect
>bayes classification with no hints afetr purge the database - train 200
>ham and spam mails and *after that* look further
Reindl:
Thanks. I want to use some auto-training with very conservative thresholds
set. All of th
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concrete enough for my to latch onto. I
mean I get the gist of it, but no details on how to look at my tests and see
if I have the requisite 3 parts needed.
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Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Check=HASH(0x2e04e38) implements 'finish_tests',
priority 0
Aug 8 15:47:11.116 [17077] dbg: netset: cache trusted_networks
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Scott skrev den 2017-08-08 22:19:
Does this one have the requisite 3-point match? I don't understand how
to
tell yet.
spamassassin -D 2>&1 -t mail.msg | less
should show why
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:04:16 -0700 (MST)
Scott wrote:
> The "3 points" criteria does not apply to manually learning
No it's just a sanity check to reduce mistraining. If you can, don't
use autotraining at all.
Will let it run to see if it learns *anything*.
So far I have not seen that happen. Surely something will get a 3 way
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Scott skrev den 2017-08-08 22:06:
Better, what test flags in general disable auto-learn?
tflags foo-rule-name noautolearn
and you can force autolearn based on rulename
https://lists.gt.net/spamassassin/users/184996
there is a long thread there that explain it more
and all condition must be
Scott skrev den 2017-08-08 22:04:
The "3 points" criteria does not apply to manually learning via
sa-update
then?
typo ?. sa-update does not learn, it just update rules, you meant
sa-learn ?
when sa-learn is used, its not autolearn, so the limits are not appled
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The "3 points" criteria does not apply to manually learning via sa-update
then?
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:06:26 -0500
Scott Techlist wrote:
> Centos7
> Postfix 3.2.2
> Amavisd-new 2.11.0
> Spamassassin 3.4.0
> Site-wide configuration
>
> This is a new box and I've configured some conservative values for
> auto-learn. I've enabled it properly AFAIK, but I can't see any sign
> of
Scott Techlist skrev den 2017-08-08 20:06:
X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Score: 17.374
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=17.374 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.31
tests=[RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.644, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001,
RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.284, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.558
Centos7
Postfix 3.2.2
Amavisd-new 2.11.0
Spamassassin 3.4.0
Site-wide configuration
This is a new box and I've configured some conservative values for auto-learn.
I've enabled it properly AFAIK, but I can't see any sign of it working.
I have these set in local.cf
use_bayes 1
bay
Daniel Aquino wrote:
> Is spam assassin smart enough to not auto-learn (bayesian) spam if the
> default tests "allready" detect it as spam... ?
No, in fact, that's exactly what you DO NOT want to do.
Bayes training is not applicable to just one message. Bits learned from
one spam get applied to
Daniel Aquino wrote:
Is spam assassin smart enough to not auto-learn (bayesian) spam if the
default tests "allready" detect it as spam... ? What I'm wondering is
if the other tests have allready deamed it to be spam, then why would
you want to increase the size of your bayesian db... Bayesian I
Daniel Aquino wrote:
> Is spam assassin smart enough to not auto-learn (bayesian) spam if the
> default tests "allready" detect it as spam... ? What I'm wondering is
> if the other tests have allready deamed it to be spam, then why would
> you want to increase the size of your bayesian db... Baye
Is spam assassin smart enough to not auto-learn (bayesian) spam if the
default tests "allready" detect it as spam... ? What I'm wondering is
if the other tests have allready deamed it to be spam, then why would
you want to increase the size of your bayesian db... Bayesian I
believe would be bett
At 02:38 AM 5/13/2005, Geoff Sweet wrote:
2005-05-12 23:30:33.432514500 2005-05-13 06:30:33 [88906] i: result: Y 23
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BAYES_99,FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_BOUN,FORGED_THEBAT_HTML,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HEAD_ILLEGAL_CHARS,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG,MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,MSGID_RANDY,NORMAL_H
In an older episode (Friday 13 May 2005 12:26), Joe Zitnik wrote:
> Yes, but his scoring list BAYES_99 as one of the scores, which means
> bayes is active, which means it has been fed the necessary 200 spam and
> 200 ham. If it hadn't been fed the necessary spam and ham, it would not
> have been g
Yes, but his scoring list BAYES_99 as one of the scores, which means bayes is active, which means it has been fed the necessary 200 spam and 200 ham. If it hadn't been fed the necessary spam and ham, it would not have been given a BAYES score at all. The fact that the mail was not autolearned co
In an older episode (Friday 13 May 2005 08:38), Geoff Sweet wrote:
> I would like to enable the Bayes system with auto-learning. I thought
> that I had my config setup correctly but apparently I don't. My config
> looks like this:
>
> ##
> # How we want to modify the email
> rewrite_he
I can swear I saw this question in at least 20 different messages, not to
mention the website
I really recommend you research your question before asking it.
autolearn=no means that it didn't 'learn' this message.
Other possible states are 'spam, 'ham' and ... 'DISABLED'
If autolearn were to be
I would like to enable the Bayes system with auto-learning. I thought
that I had my config setup correctly but apparently I don't. My config
looks like this:
##
# How we want to modify the email
rewrite_header subject [**SPAM**]
report_safe 0
#Bayes learning system
use_bayes 1
bayes_au
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