Joe Acquisto-j4 skrev den 2013-04-27 13:37:
Very interesting. However, I don't see any BAYES_xx markings in the
headers at all.
On 27.04.13 19:00, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
I seem to have not stated my query clearly, as several have suggested this.
Or, it was perfectly understood, but I am not
On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 19:00 -0400, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
> > > Very interesting. However, I don't see any BAYES_xx markings in the
> > > headers at all.
> > > I assumed that is because it is not scoring yet, due to low samples.
> > > Or some other reason.
> >
> > that could be the reason, othe
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
I don't want to know how to see the tokens, etc (I do, but already know how).
I was curious about this BAYES_xx thing, which I gather is something I should
see in a message header.
Yes, the BAYES_## are rules that would show up in the hit-rules list
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013, Alex wrote:
Hi,
To feed "ham" to bayes, should one only user mis-flagged mail, or may one
use unflagged (below 5) mail?
Expressed differently, can one feed "good" messages, "sa-learn --ham
path-to-ham " as one might feed missed spam, "sa-learn --spam path-to-spam"
You
>>> On 4/27/2013 at 11:17 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Joe Acquisto-j4 skrev den 2013-04-27 13:37:
>
>> Very interesting. However, I don't see any BAYES_xx markings in the
>> headers at all.
>
> how is you bayes setup ?
>
> what gives "sa-learn --dump magic" ?
>
>> I assumed that is because i
>>> On 4/27/2013 at 1:20 PM, John Hardin wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
>
>> So, I could just feed a bunch of good mail, to --ham, and spam that is
> correctly marked
>> as spam as well as missed spam, to --spam?
>
> Correct; the important part is that what you train with
Hi,
To feed "ham" to bayes, should one only user mis-flagged mail, or may one
>> use unflagged (below 5) mail?
>>
>> Expressed differently, can one feed "good" messages, "sa-learn --ham
>> path-to-ham " as one might feed missed spam, "sa-learn --spam path-to-spam"
>>
>
> You can train hams that h
27.04.2013 23:15, Karsten Br�ckelmann kirjoitti:
> Point being, am I correct in assuming these numbers roughly reflect your
> ham/spam ratio?
>
>> > 0.000 0 28252 0 non-token data: nspam
>> > 0.000 0 187579 0 non-token data: nham
Yes. I want more spam,
On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 11:59 +0300, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
> 27.04.2013 04:54, Karsten Bräckelmann kirjoitti:
> > And it is good advice to keep the initial training corpora to a
> > ratio roughly assembling your ham/spam ratio, or maybe 1/1. (At this
> > point, we're approaching woodoo. Learning 10
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013, Niamh Holding wrote:
Hello John,
Saturday, April 27, 2013, 12:50:34 AM, you wrote:
JH> Simple rule: train any ham that doesn't hit BAYES_00.
???
What about ham that hits BAYES_00 and shows autolearn=no ?
If a ham hits BAYES_00 that means the Bayes system did a good job
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
So, I could just feed a bunch of good mail, to --ham, and spam that is
correctly marked
as spam as well as missed spam, to --spam?
Correct; the important part is that what you train with must be *correctly
classified* - training a ham as spam is no
27.04.2013 18:24, Benny Pedersen kirjoitti:
> Jari Fredriksson skrev den 2013-04-27 10:59:
>
>> 0.000 0 28252 0 non-token data: nspam
>> 0.000 0 187579 0 non-token data: nham
>>
>> I have no problems with Bayes whatsoever.
>
> this is an good working m
Niamh Holding skrev den 2013-04-27 18:25:
What about ham that hits BAYES_00 and shows autolearn=no ?
if its spam, sa-learn --spam else the above is ok, its no need to learn if it already is learned as
ham
--
senders that put my email into body content will deliver it to my own
trashcan, so
Hello John,
Saturday, April 27, 2013, 12:50:34 AM, you wrote:
JH> Simple rule: train any ham that doesn't hit BAYES_00.
???
What about ham that hits BAYES_00 and shows autolearn=no ?
--
Best regards,
Niamhmailto:ni...@fullbore.co.uk
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Jari Fredriksson skrev den 2013-04-27 10:59:
0.000 0 28252 0 non-token data: nspam
0.000 0 187579 0 non-token data: nham
I have no problems with Bayes whatsoever.
this is an good working mta setup, not a bayes problem :)
--
senders that put my e
Joe Acquisto-j4 skrev den 2013-04-27 13:37:
Very interesting. However, I don't see any BAYES_xx markings in the
headers at all.
how is you bayes setup ?
what gives "sa-learn --dump magic" ?
I assumed that is because it is not scoring yet, due to low samples.
Or some other reason.
that c
Joe Acquisto-j4 skrev den 2013-04-27 01:38:
path-to-ham " as one might feed missed spam, "sa-learn --spam
path-to-spam"
yes, but if you sort based on scores there is no point in using bayes
in the first place
only thing that is important is to feed what is spam and what is ham to
learning
Do train those, which have a Bayesian probability close(r) to 0.5. Or
even worse, have a Bayesian probability contrary to the overall score,
or actual classification.
Training the plethora of spam hitting BAYES_99 might not be a mistake.
But it is pretty likely, to *not* improve general SA perfor
. . .
> Do train those, which have a Bayesian probability close(r) to 0.5. Or
> even worse, have a Bayesian probability contrary to the overall score,
> or actual classification.
>
> Training the plethora of spam hitting BAYES_99 might not be a mistake.
> But it is pretty likely, to *not* improve
27.04.2013 12:03, Axb kirjoitti:
> On 04/27/2013 10:59 AM, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
>> 27.04.2013 04:54, Karsten Bräckelmann kirjoitti:
>>> And it is good advice to keep the initial training corpora to a
>>> ratio roughly assembling your ham/spam ratio, or maybe 1/1. (At this
>>> point, we're approa
On 04/27/2013 10:59 AM, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
27.04.2013 04:54, Karsten Bräckelmann kirjoitti:
And it is good advice to keep the initial training corpora to a
ratio roughly assembling your ham/spam ratio, or maybe 1/1. (At this
point, we're approaching woodoo. Learning 10 times more ham than s
27.04.2013 04:54, Karsten Bräckelmann kirjoitti:
> And it is good advice to keep the initial training corpora to a
> ratio roughly assembling your ham/spam ratio, or maybe 1/1. (At this
> point, we're approaching woodoo. Learning 10 times more ham than spam is
> most likely to be a bad choice, thou
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 19:38 -0400, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
> To feed "ham" to bayes, should one only user mis-flagged mail, or may
> one use unflagged (below 5) mail?
The Bayesian classifier is a subsystem mostly independent from SA.
Most SA rules are rather white or black. Match, or don't. And sc
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 21:25 -0400, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
> Well, right now, there are no bayes hits at all. I cleared bayes to
> re-train, after correcting for a botched initial scheme.
>
> While I am getting a fair amount of missed spam, there is very little
> mis-classified.
>
> So I am look
>>> On 4/26/2013 at 7:50 PM, John Hardin wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
>
>> To feed "ham" to bayes, should one only user mis-flagged mail, or may
>> one use unflagged (below 5) mail?
>>
>> Expressed differently, can one feed "good" messages, "sa-learn --ham
>> path-to-ham
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Joe Acquisto-j4 wrote:
To feed "ham" to bayes, should one only user mis-flagged mail, or may
one use unflagged (below 5) mail?
Expressed differently, can one feed "good" messages, "sa-learn --ham
path-to-ham " as one might feed missed spam, "sa-learn --spam
path-to-spam"
Craig wrote:
> Hello All-
>
> My bayes database seems to have problems and I would like suggestion
> on how to correct. Here is my issue-
> I take any spam email from my users and run the following commands
> a. spamassassin -R name of spam file to check
> b. spamassassin -r name of spam file to
Sorry, I am in the habit of 'reply' as opposed to 'reply all'.
I see no 'obvious' errors in spamassassin -D --lint which was the first
thing I checked.
Shortly before you asked about the 'sa-learn --dump magic', I found this
message from Matt:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=spamassassin-us
M. Lewis wrote:
Thanks Steve,
# sa-learn --dump magic
0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version
0.000 0 57468 0 non-token data: nspam
0.000 0 16419 0 non-token data: nham
0.000 0 181931 0 non-to
M. Lewis wrote:
I recently lost a hard drive and have had to setup everything again.
I'm seeing a fair amount of spam that is getting through my filters.
From what I can see in the headers of messages, bayes does not seem to
be used at all. I'm reasonable sure this is the reason I'm seeing sp
Philipp Snizek wrote:
[...]
However, I fear SA learns that headers coming from my internal MTA could be
spam and so causing false results on real spam.
Exactly. Forwarding e-mail breaks the original information and has to be
avoided.
What experiences have you made or how have you solved thi
Alan Fullmer wrote:
> I attempted to do that once, with a network file system, but it didn’t
> seem to know how to handle the locking properly. I know I did something
> wrong, so if anyone else has a solution, I’d also be happy to hear it! J
As JamesDR suggested.. Do it right, use SQL. It's a dat
Boy... anytime I've done some kind of network file sharing across
a system or two, I have never done it for good performance reasons...
only convenience sakes. And even then, never large files.
Almost a decade ago when I was performing massive COBOL database
conversions to load data into flat fil
I attempted to do that once, with a
network file system, but it didn’t seem to know how to handle the locking
properly. I know I did something wrong, so if anyone else has a solution,
I’d also be happy to hear it! J
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Robert Swan wrote:
I have a pair of Spamassassin servers filtering e-mail (Spamassassin
3.0.4, spamd/spamc, Postfix, redhat 9) I was wondering if I could share
the bayes database between the two server rather than having each with
its own and having to do the salearn process twice.
Any Th
Joe Zitnik wrote:
>I apologize if this has been asked before, but I need some
>clarification. If I have autolearn for ham set to 0, and the default
>BAYES_00 score assigns mail a negative value, and a spam message comes
>through with enough good text in it to give it a BAYES_00 and therefore
>a n
In the future, please be sure to CC the list as well, so it can get
dumped into the archives for future use.
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 06:13:16PM -0500, Sunny Forro wrote:
> Michael,
> I am running it as root. I get the error every time I run
> SA-LEARN -D --SYNC, I don't get bayes checking wi
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 04:50:57PM -0500, Sunny Forro wrote:
> debug: bayes: found bayes db version 2
> bayes: bayes db version 2 is not able to be used, aborting! at
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/Mail/SpamAssassin/BayesStore/DBM.pm
> line 160.
Ok, yeah, this is just a warning, no error,
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:30 PM
To: Sunny Forro
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: bayes question
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 04:22:03PM -0500, Sunny
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 04:22:03PM -0500, Sunny Forro wrote:
> Help!
> I know this has got to be the number 1 question. But I haven't
> had any luck with it:
>
Actually, it doesn't happen that often these days.
> I'm getting:
> Bayes: bayes db version 2 is not able to be used, aborting!
>
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 04:38:34PM -0600, Steve Bondy wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 04:13:44PM -0600, Steve Bondy wrote:
> > > I'm no expert on Bayes, but as far as I know, repeatedly
> > learning the
> > > same message over and over again doesn't do you any good. Once the
> > > to
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 08:28:45PM -0800, Jon Drukman wrote:
> also bayes won't learn the *exact* same message repeatedly. if it's
> already seen a message it won't process it at all. i'm not sure if it
> works off the message-id or a hash of the message content.
Just for clarification, it's a
Chuck Campbell wrote:
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 12:56:43PM -0600, Steve Bondy wrote:
For example, the default score in 2.6.x for BAYES_90 is either 2.454 or
2.101. If that's the only rule you hit, and your threshold is above
those numbers, it will come through.
But what if you repeatedly learn the m
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 04:13:44PM -0600, Steve Bondy wrote:
> > I'm no expert on Bayes, but as far as I know, repeatedly
> learning the
> > same message over and over again doesn't do you any good. Once the
> > tokens are in there, that's it. The bayes score goes up as more
> > tokens
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 04:18:58PM -0600, Chuck Campbell wrote:
> It's not the same message... exactly. It is the same spam, coming from many
> different senders, each with a unique message ID. I keep getting more of
> them,
> and I keep learning them with sa-learn.
>
> I'm just not getting SA
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 04:13:44PM -0600, Steve Bondy wrote:
> I'm no expert on Bayes, but as far as I know, repeatedly learning the
> same message over and over again doesn't do you any good. Once the
> tokens are in there, that's it. The bayes score goes up as more tokens
> in the message match
confirm if I'm right... It
would help me out too.
Steve
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:54 PM
> To: Steve Bondy
> Cc: SpamAssassin Users
> Subject: Re: Bayes question
>
>
> On Mon,
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 12:56:43PM -0600, Steve Bondy wrote:
> Just because you learn something as spam doesn't mean it will be
> blocked.
> SA will add a score to the message based on the bayes rules, but if the
> bayes rules are the only ones that get hit, and they score less than
> your threshol
Just because you learn something as spam doesn't mean it will be
blocked.
SA will add a score to the message based on the bayes rules, but if the
bayes rules are the only ones that get hit, and they score less than
your threshold, it won't keep the stuff out.
For example, the default score in 2.6.x
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 01:28:23AM -, Gray, Richard wrote:
> > So, what happens when you take these two overlapping databases and
> > combine them is that certain tokens (those that have overlap) are then
> > double counted. This makes the database, at least according to the
> > bayes model SA
Title: Re: Bayes question
> So, what happens when you take these two
overlapping databases and> combine them is that certain tokens (those
that have overlap) are then> double counted. This makes the
database, at least according to the> bayes model SA is using,
statistic
Michael,
I understood the dangers behing the theory - I'll get into the
analysis of all the bayes databases later on.
I guess the only way to do it cleanly is to feed the same HAM+SPAM
messages to all the bayes's learning mechanisms...
Thanks for your time,
Ricardo
On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 10:46:22AM +, Ricardo Oliveira wrote:
> According to the docs, --restore is destructive (in the sense it
> destroys the previous contents of the database).
>
> Would you guys be interested in such a feature? I plan to use a
> generic bayes DB (which is maintained by our
According to the docs, --restore is destructive (in the sense it
destroys the previous contents of the database).
Would you guys be interested in such a feature? I plan to use a
generic bayes DB (which is maintained by our tech team), and merge it
with each clients's own DB (which would result in
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:37:05 +, Ricardo Oliveira
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about joining several databases together?
>
> I'd like to use a "general" bayes DB, and join it with some clients's
> particular DB's.
>
> TIA,
> Ricardo
>
Never tried it, but it should be possible with sa-l
What about joining several databases together?
I'd like to use a "general" bayes DB, and join it with some clients's
particular DB's.
TIA,
Ricardo
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:27:05 +, Ricardo Oliveira
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By the way - are the bayes databases on disk portable (in the sense I
> could "import" or copy them to another server and use them
> accordingly)?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
I haven't had a problem doing that, moving f
By the way - are the bayes databases on disk portable (in the sense I
could "import" or copy them to another server and use them
accordingly)?
Thanks in advance
Austin Weidner wrote:
Really trying to figure out bayes. Auto learn is set up, and my headers are
showing autolearn=spam
However, when I do sa-learn --dump magic, there are zero spams and zero
hams.
By using the -D (debug) option, I can see sa-learn is looking at:
debug: bayes: 17216 tie-ing to DB
At 01:58 AM 11/23/2004 -0500, Austin Weidner wrote:
Really trying to figure out bayes. Auto learn is set up, and my headers are
showing autolearn=spam
However, when I do sa-learn --dump magic, there are zero spams and zero
hams.
By using the -D (debug) option, I can see sa-learn is looking at:
debu
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