Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-05 Thread Per Jessen
Bill Landry wrote: The SaneSecurity sigs have successfully tagged every PDF spam that has come my way. If you find any that are not tagged, forward them (with headers) to the developer and he will add the signatures (he releases updates several times a day). I've already been talking to

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Justin Mason
Subject: Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules? Hi! All in all, you're better off just making things public. model in the antivirus/antispam arena... ...and it may be true - but no-one on this list believes it ;-) Its a matter of fact that published rules

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Justin Mason
Henrik Krohns writes: On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:08:29AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: Bear in mind that the spammer who is developing this PDF spam is only one person, and he/she probably has at least one non-spammy-looking email address at his disposal. What's to spot him/her from

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Robert Schetterer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin Mason schrieb: Henrik Krohns writes: On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:08:29AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: Bear in mind that the spammer who is developing this PDF spam is only one person, and he/she probably has at least one non-spammy-looking

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Matthias Haegele
Robert Schetterer schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin Mason schrieb: Henrik Krohns writes: On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:08:29AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: Bear in mind that the spammer who is developing this PDF spam is only one person, and he/she probably has at

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Per Jessen
Matthias Haegele wrote: http://sanesecurity.co.uk/ is working nice if youre in pressure with pdf spam Using this a few weeks too, had no FPs so far ... No FPs, but also highly ineffective against the PDF-spam. In my experience. /Per Jessen, Zürich

Re: Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Dallas Engelken
Henrik Krohns wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 10:08:29AM +0100, Justin Mason wrote: Bear in mind that the spammer who is developing this PDF spam is only one person, and he/she probably has at least one non-spammy-looking email address at his disposal. What's to spot him/her from asking

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-04 Thread Dave Koontz
For what it's worth, a solution to any new flood or tactic is most welcome IMO. In Dallas' defense here... Just as it takes time for the spammers to develop and adapt new tactics, so too does it take time to create counter-measures. The counter measures are often a work in progress until there

RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Chris Santerre
You didn't miss anything. I don't believe they are released yet. FInal testing being done. Results look great. I'll see if they can get released soon. --Chris -Original Message- From: Michal Jeczalik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:47 AM To:

Re: RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Dallas Engelken
Chris Santerre wrote: You didn't miss anything. I don't believe they are released yet. FInal testing being done. Results look great. I'll see if they can get released soon. --Chris -Original Message- From: Michal Jeczalik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007

Re: RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 11:35:01AM -0500, Dallas Engelken wrote: The mechanism used for accurate detection in the PDFInfo plugin is not going to be a part of this.. and I'd recommend you request the plugin and use it privately. If the information gets publicized, that method would soon

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Jason Haar
Theo Van Dinter wrote: All in all, you're better off just making things public. I agree. It's sort of like saying that Open Source cannot work as a model in the antivirus/antispam arena... ...and it may be true - but no-one on this list believes it ;-) -- Cheers Jason Haar Information

Re: RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Michał Jęczalik
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Dallas Engelken wrote: The PDFInfo.pm and accompanying ruleset will not be public. If you want it, please go to http://www.rulesemporium.com/plugins.htm#pdfinfo and request it. Despite of my opinion about security-by-obscurity approach, I still experience major

Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! All in all, you're better off just making things public. model in the antivirus/antispam arena... ...and it may be true - but no-one on this list believes it ;-) Its a matter of fact that published rules (see sare rulesets) become less effective immediate after publishing. That due

Re: Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Dallas Engelken
Jason Haar wrote: Theo Van Dinter wrote: All in all, you're better off just making things public. I agree. It's sort of like saying that Open Source cannot work as a model in the antivirus/antispam arena... It can, if you have the people willing to contribute new dats on every

RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Thomas Raef
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:10 PM To: Jason Haar Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules? Hi! All in all, you're better off just making things public. model in the antivirus/antispam arena... ...and it may

Re: Re: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 07:16:19PM -0500, Dallas Engelken wrote: ... we have to release a new plugin, and a new ruleset. Its not like we just release a new ruleset, someone runs RDJ/sa-update and they are off.There is no way to auto-update the plugin (currently) besides to announce it

RE: RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Robert - eLists
Despite of my opinion about security-by-obscurity approach, I still experience major connection problems with that site. By now it seems that it does not resolve it's hostname to me at all. At least from my subnet, which is unfortunately one of those polish-spam 83.x subnets, that are

RE: So what about rulesemporium.com and these anti-PDF rules?

2007-07-03 Thread Robert - eLists
I for one agree with the protected model. I've read post after post in this group and others where people complain that some new method is no longer effective due to the other guys knowing our every step. If there were an application process, which would be too burdensome on the