RE: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-15 Thread Rasmus Haslund
SM wrote: Botnet Plugin sounds like a plugin that detect botnets ... If Rasmus is finding that many false positives, then he's using the wrong tools. Well I am not using the botnet plugin because i am not sure how to implement it with the SA engine running in Icewarp Merak. Anyway we do

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-15 Thread Bret Miller
On 1/15/2009 1:36 AM, Rasmus Haslund wrote: SM wrote: "Botnet Plugin" sounds like a plugin that detect botnets ... If Rasmus is finding that many false ositives, then he's using the wrong tools. Well I am not using the botnet plugin because i am not sure how to implement

RE: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-15 Thread SM
At 01:36 15-01-2009, Rasmus Haslund wrote: implement it with the SA engine running in Icewarp Merak. Anyway we do have alot of problems with FP when we try out new things and I just have to say some things just does not work good on a large scale where you have to deal with all kinds og

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Paul Griffith
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:28:42 -0500, si g_b...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Guys,   I'm sure you're as sad as I am re- temporary suspension of the brilliant services offered by Steve Basford and is helpers at Sane Security. In a sick kind of way, the 'bad guys' are acknowledging the work these guys

RE: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Rasmus Haslund
After a loud outcry from our users from the increasing level of spam in their inboxes, I installed the Botnet Plugin. Is this something that can be used with the SA in Icewarp Merak? NOWACO A/S Rasmus Haslund

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread si
shape, but we certainly notice that the Sane Security stuff isn't there any more.   Mup. --- On Wed, 14/1/09, John Rudd jr...@ucsc.edu wrote: From: John Rudd jr...@ucsc.edu Subject: Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity To: Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca Cc: g_b...@yahoo.co.uk, users

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread John Rudd
How's it working for you, so far? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:12, Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:28:42 -0500, si g_b...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Guys, I'm sure you're as sad as I am re- temporary suspension of the brilliant services offered by Steve Basford and is

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Rob McEwen
Rasmus Haslund wrote: After a loud outcry from our users from the increasing level of spam in their inboxes, I installed the Botnet Plugin. Is this something that can be used with the SA in Icewarp Merak? Because Rasmus manages a mail server where B2B mail is routinely sent/received

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread John Rudd
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:59, Rob McEwen r...@invaluement.com wrote: Regarding using the Botnet Plugin as a replacement for SaneSecurity... I found that the _best_ part about SaneSecurity was its assistance with catching spam that could NOT ever be caught using _any_ kind of DNSBL. Botnet

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Daniel J McDonald
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 09:59 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote: Rasmus Haslund wrote: After a loud outcry from our users from the increasing level of spam in their inboxes, I installed the Botnet Plugin. Is this something that can be used with the SA in Icewarp Merak? Because Rasmus

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Rob McEwen
John Rudd wrote: Botnet isn't a DNSBL... I never said it was a DNSBL. But it definitely has a particular focus on the sending IP, and that sending IP's rDNS. Therefore, for all practical purposes, it is trying to do the job of a DNSBL. As I recall, the discussion about BotNet's development

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Rob McEwen
Rob McEwen wrote: And I thing it is probably better used as a scoring list instead of a blocking list. oops. I meant probably better scored below threshold, since, of course, BotNet isn't a list. -- Rob McEwen http://dnsbl.invaluement.com/ r...@invaluement.com +1 (478) 475-9032

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Sanesecurity
si-12 wrote: I appreciate that great progress is being mad re- getting the service back online again, but in the mean time was wondering ... has anyone found anything as effective as a temporary replacement or enhancement? One rsync server is already up and running and is currently being

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Rob McEwen wrote: QUESTIONS: Is SaneSecurity still collecting data and generating the rulesets? (but just not able to distribute them) I was wondering that myself, and was also wondering whether there was a way to leverage the Coral cache system to avoid DDoS - for

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Matt Garretson
Is there any way that a more distributed method of delivering updates could be more resistant to DDOS attacks? E.g. trackerless bittorrents (DHT), or something along those lines? Just wondering in general

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, January 14, 2009 17:33, John Hardin wrote: Is there any other distributed content distribution system they could use for free this way? bittorrent ? (micro$oft have problem delivering windows 7 betas from there network, opensource problems ?) :=) -- Benny Pedersen Need more

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Paul Griffith
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:23:51 -0500, John Rudd jr...@ucsc.edu wrote: How's it working for you, so far? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:12, Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:28:42 -0500, si g_b...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Guys, I'm sure you're as sad as I am re- temporary

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread John Rudd
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Miller bret.mil...@wcg.org To: John Rudd jr...@ucsc.edu Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:08:06 -0700 Subject: RE: BOTNET Exceptions for Today Bret Miller wrote: Maybe these aren't false positives because botnet is identifying them for what they

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread SM
At 06:59 14-01-2009, Rob McEwen wrote: Because Rasmus manages a mail server where B2B mail is routinely sent/received _globally_, Rasmus is the king of finding FPs. I could be wrong, but judging from previous reports about the Botnet Plugin, I predict that Rasmus will either (a) find the Botnet

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Rob McEwen
SM wrote: Botnet Plugin sounds like a plugin that detect botnets ... If Rasmus is finding that many false positives, then he's using the wrong tools. No. This is just due to the fact that, unfortunately, some mail servers and IPs (which send desired and solicited messages) are somewhat

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread Dave Pooser
None of my friends are on services that are that poorly configured No friends on Verizon? Their @#$% mail servers are 70% of my FPs. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com ...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread John Rudd
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 13:06, Dave Pooser dave...@pooserville.com wrote: None of my friends are on services that are that poorly configured No friends on Verizon? Their @#$% mail servers are 70% of my FPs. Heh. Guess not :-)

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread mouss
Rob McEwen a écrit : SM wrote: Botnet Plugin sounds like a plugin that detect botnets ... If Rasmus is finding that many false positives, then he's using the wrong tools. No. This is just due to the fact that, unfortunately, some mail servers and IPs (which send desired and solicited

Re: Temporary 'Replacements' for SaneSecurity

2009-01-14 Thread SM
At 12:44 14-01-2009, Rob McEwen wrote: No. This is just due to the fact that, unfortunately, some mail servers and IPs (which send desired and solicited messages) are somewhat incorrectly configured. It turns out that a distributor receiving legitimate business e-mail from vendors customers in