Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jo
Jon Ribbens wrote: Loren Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Taking a look at that and offering my opinions: Thanks for taking the time to have a look at it. Apart from inline images though, the other points either don't apply to our emails, or don't appear to be contributing to the Spam

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jon Ribbens
Loren Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Taking a look at that and offering my opinions: Thanks for taking the time to have a look at it. Apart from inline images though, the other points either don't apply to our emails, or don't appear to be contributing to the SpamAssassin score. > In all hon

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Loren Wilton
From: "Rob Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/20/06 03:16PM >>> Adam Lanier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's why I asked to see a sample message. We could probably give some pointers on what is triggering SA. Set your TRUSTED_NETWORKS and that'll help. That's

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Loren Wilton
I have attached a sample message to this email. Note, it's just an example. This message does not trigger at the 5.0 level, but I know messages like this are being blocked by some of our customers. It does get a higher score than I would like it to (i.e. 0.0 ;-) ), and certainly the rules its trig

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Rob Anderson
>>> Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/20/06 03:16PM >>> Adam Lanier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's why I asked to see a sample message. We could probably give some > pointers on what is triggering SA. I have attached a sample message to this email. Note, it's just an example. This message d

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 06:44:48PM +, Jon Ribbens wrote: > I did that. The problem that needs fixing is SpamAssassin. It is > triggering on things that are nothing to do with spam (for example, > RFC-compliant use of multipart/related). Your main issue is that spammers are making their mails

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jon Ribbens
Noel Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So why not find which rules are triggered by your message I already did - see my original post at the start of this thread. > Can't be too hard, spammers do it all the time. That's my point - why should I have to behave like a spammer in order to avoid get

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Adam Lanier
On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 11:38 -0600, Noel Jones wrote: > On 12/20/06, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > > > headers in your messages? > > > > I suppose we could do. Does a

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Noel Jones
On 12/20/06, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > headers in your messages? I suppose we could do. Does anyone know how much that costs? It still seems wrong to me though that

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jon Ribbens
"John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > headers in your messages? I suppose we could do. Does anyone know how much that costs? It still seems wrong to me though that SpamAssassin is penalising mail that doesn't look like

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Kelson wrote: > John D. Hardin wrote: > > Do they still subtract points from the score? That's the relevant > > factor. > > The headers? No. Unless you're running a really old SpamAssassin. No, the fact that the sender has registered with either Habeas or Bonded Sender.

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Kelson
John D. Hardin wrote: Do they still subtract points from the score? That's the relevant factor. The headers? No. Unless you're running a really old SpamAssassin. -- Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 10:46:22AM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: > Do they still subtract points from the score? That's the relevant > factor. Yes, they do. Just sharing that it doesn't involve modifying the message anymore. :) -- Randomly Selected Tagline: "Hey, you know what'd cheer you up? Y

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:59:40AM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: > > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > > headers in your messages? > > FWIW, neither of those put headers in the message (Habeas stopped > doing that y

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:59:40AM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > headers in your messages? FWIW, neither of those put headers in the message (Habeas stopped doing that years ago). They're both DNS reputation services. -- Ra

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jon Ribbens wrote: > I work at a company with an automated on-line system. This system > sends emails to people. Spam Assassin appears to be triggering > very strongly, and incorrectly, on our messages. > Any advice would be gratefully received! ...sign up with a service lik

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Adam Lanier
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 16:58 +, Jon Ribbens wrote: > > But that's all a bit philosophical and beside the point of my > question, which is: should I change our emails, and if so, in what > way - or do SpamAssassin's default settings as provided on > updates.spamassassin.org need changing? Perha

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
Sietse van Zanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have your trusted_networks, internal_networks and all_trusted set > up correctly? > > With these three options you should be able to exclude messages sent > from your IP address. Yes, the problem is not that *our* SpamAssassin installation is f

RE: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Sietse van Zanen
If you look at politicians you will surely see that saying: "you shouldn't ..." wih a straight face is not that hard at all. :-) Do you have your trusted_networks, internal_networks and all_trusted set up correctly? With these three options you should be able to exclude messages sent from your IP