Quoting Bret Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Perhaps rather than arguing about whether we'd all get blocked by running
> this, it would be more productive to lobby a registrar to provide the data
> in rsynch-able form to URIBL or SURBL where DNS infrastructure could be used
> to make the data availa
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 19.22
>
> Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
>
> > Well, I have to manually turn my MX server on and off, sometimes. So,
> is it
> > SA an automated process? And then, if SA issues a wh
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Well, I have to manually turn my MX server on and off, sometimes. So, is it
SA an automated process? And then, if SA issues a whois request, is it
automated?
This is plain silliness, which leads me to believe that you very well
know that you're doing automated queri
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Bret Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 17.16
>
> Perhaps rather than arguing about whether we'd all get blocked by
> running
> this, it would be more productive to lobby a registrar to provide the
> data
> in rsynch-able for
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Kris Deugau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 18.14
>
> Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> >> -Messaggio originale-
> >> Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> It appears that you selectively missed the part that a
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It appears that you selectively missed the part that applies:
"You agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and
that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (a)
Perhaps rather than arguing about whether we'd all get blocked by running
this, it would be more productive to lobby a registrar to provide the data
in rsynch-able form to URIBL or SURBL where DNS infrastructure could be used
to make the data available for such a use. Maybe none will cooperate, may
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> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3229 2007-09-26 00:58 TLD.pm
>
>
> Where is my fault ?
>
> Ove Starckjohann
>
>
>
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: Gi
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Where is my fault ?
Ove Starckjohann
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Giampaolo Tomassoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 15:15
> An: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Betreff:
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think there is a lot of people in this list who runs a small business like
> mine, and who may benefit from using the URIWhois plugin with no negative
> consequences. The others, well, they have influence and resources to spend
> in a "centraliz
Thanks for the explanation, but I think you are missing the point here.
What is reasonable and what will cause a block?
An individual may well issue 100 queries a day for research. Not many
have the time to do tens of thousands+ a day (or more). Any system that
does will likely fall into the AU
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Dave Koontz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 0.50
>
> If nothing else, you should likely add a disclaimer to your rules as
> you
> can't control the threshold at which a site may be blocked for
> excessive
> queries. I doubt that
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 0.55
>
> Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> >> -Messaggio originale-
> >> Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> That refers to pretty m
At 15:32 26-09-2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
It depends upon how many e-mail you scan. In about 24h I just issued more or
less 100 queries to the to several TLDs' whois servers. What is it, 10
queries per TLD? It doesn't seem too much to me... Also note today I'm
probably not going to get the
If nothing else, you should likely add a disclaimer to your rules as you
can't control the threshold at which a site may be blocked for excessive
queries. I doubt that most users on this list have email volumes as low
as yours (100?), and will go well above the thresholds you've tested. I
am a wh
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
That refers to pretty much all TLDs and ccTLDs
If you want to go slamming registry and registrar whois servers in an
automated fashion you will get blacklisted by them all and bl
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> That refers to pretty much all TLDs and ccTLDs
>
> If you want to go slamming registry and registrar whois servers in an
> automated fashion you will get blacklisted by them all and blocked
I don't
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
This means nothing: what is a "high volume"? Also, you normally use the
"whois" command. Isn't it an "automated, electronic process"? They are to
say: "If we like to ban you, don't scream!".
These terms comes from early internet ages, when spammers were used to
scaven
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: John D. Hardin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
>
> > So, I don't see the problem here: we are attempting to obtain
> > information about or related to a domain name registration record.
>
> Doing it over and over
At 13:48 26-09-2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
These terms depend upon the registrar offering the service.
However, mostly they say that:
"Whois database is provided by XX for information purposes only,
and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> So, I don't see the problem here: we are attempting to obtain
> information about or related to a domain name registration record.
Doing it over and over and over from an automated tool can be
considered abusive when the service was intended to an
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > However, mostly they say that:
> >
> > "Whois database is provided by XX for information purposes
> only,
> > and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related
> to a
> > domain name
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: SM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:56 26-09-2007, Robert - elists wrote:
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Access to Whois data is not limited to registrars only.
I suggest reading the Whois terms of service be
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: SM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> At 08:56 26-09-2007, Robert - elists wrote:
> >Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
>
> Access to Whois data is not limited to registrars only.
>
> I suggest reading the Whois terms of service before enabli
At 08:56 26-09-2007, Robert - elists wrote:
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Access to Whois data is not limited to registrars only.
I suggest reading the Whois terms of service before enabling this plugin.
Regards,
-sm
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Robert - elists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >
> > DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they
> are a
> > domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois
> database.
> >
> > Jeff C.
> >
>
> Well there ya go Jeff...
>
Robert - elists writes:
>
> >
> > DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they are a
> > domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois database.
> >
> > Jeff C.
> >
>
> Well there ya go Jeff...
>
> Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
>
> Thats the easy answer, but do you know what it costs to become a
> registrar?
>
> Just for com/net from verisign you have $6500 up front, and $4k
> recurring. To get your icann credentials, you have $2500 up front with
> application, $4k yearly. A variable fee to icann once you start
> re
Robert - elists wrote:
DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they are a
domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois database.
Jeff C.
Well there ya go Jeff...
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Thats the easy answer,
>
> DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they are a
> domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois database.
>
> Jeff C.
>
Well there ya go Jeff...
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
- rh
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> the issue covered by the
> URIWhois plugin would be much more efficiently solved by a centralized
> solution, in which "someone" gathers registration data from registars (maybe
> even not through whois, but through direct db access) and then publi
Oh, my! I forgot the link to URIWhois-0.02.
Here it goes:
http://www.tomassoni.biz/download/URIWhois-0.02.tar.bz2
Sorry for bothering you again.
Giampaolo
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: Giampaolo Tomassoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Inviato: mercoledì 26 settembre 2
Dears,
I got some feedback from people failing to successfully run the URIWhois
plugin.
It seems to me these are installation issues, so I just prepared version
0.02 of this plugin, which basically borrows an INSTALL.txt file in which I
attempt to explain how to correctly install the plugin. Also
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