Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jo
Jon Ribbens wrote: Loren Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Taking a look at that and offering my opinions: Thanks for taking the time to have a look at it. Apart from inline images though, the other points either don't apply to our emails, or don't appear to be contributing to the Spam

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jon Ribbens
Loren Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Taking a look at that and offering my opinions: Thanks for taking the time to have a look at it. Apart from inline images though, the other points either don't apply to our emails, or don't appear to be contributing to the SpamAssassin score. > In all hon

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Loren Wilton
From: "Rob Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/20/06 03:16PM >>> Adam Lanier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's why I asked to see a sample message. We could probably give some pointers on what is triggering SA. Set your TRUSTED_NETWORKS and that'll help. That's

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Loren Wilton
I have attached a sample message to this email. Note, it's just an example. This message does not trigger at the 5.0 level, but I know messages like this are being blocked by some of our customers. It does get a higher score than I would like it to (i.e. 0.0 ;-) ), and certainly the rules its trig

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Rob Anderson
>>> Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/20/06 03:16PM >>> Adam Lanier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's why I asked to see a sample message. We could probably give some > pointers on what is triggering SA. I have attached a sample message to this email. Note, it's just an example. This message d

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 06:44:48PM +, Jon Ribbens wrote: > I did that. The problem that needs fixing is SpamAssassin. It is > triggering on things that are nothing to do with spam (for example, > RFC-compliant use of multipart/related). Your main issue is that spammers are making their mails

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jon Ribbens
Noel Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So why not find which rules are triggered by your message I already did - see my original post at the start of this thread. > Can't be too hard, spammers do it all the time. That's my point - why should I have to behave like a spammer in order to avoid get

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Adam Lanier
On Wed, 2006-12-20 at 11:38 -0600, Noel Jones wrote: > On 12/20/06, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > > > headers in your messages? > > > > I suppose we could do. Does a

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Noel Jones
On 12/20/06, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > headers in your messages? I suppose we could do. Does anyone know how much that costs? It still seems wrong to me though that

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-20 Thread Jon Ribbens
"John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > headers in your messages? I suppose we could do. Does anyone know how much that costs? It still seems wrong to me though that SpamAssassin is penalising mail that doesn't look like

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Kelson wrote: > John D. Hardin wrote: > > Do they still subtract points from the score? That's the relevant > > factor. > > The headers? No. Unless you're running a really old SpamAssassin. No, the fact that the sender has registered with either Habeas or Bonded Sender.

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Kelson
John D. Hardin wrote: Do they still subtract points from the score? That's the relevant factor. The headers? No. Unless you're running a really old SpamAssassin. -- Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 10:46:22AM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: > Do they still subtract points from the score? That's the relevant > factor. Yes, they do. Just sharing that it doesn't involve modifying the message anymore. :) -- Randomly Selected Tagline: "Hey, you know what'd cheer you up? Y

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:59:40AM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: > > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > > headers in your messages? > > FWIW, neither of those put headers in the message (Habeas stopped > doing that y

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:59:40AM -0800, John D. Hardin wrote: > ...sign up with a service like Habeas or Bonded Sender and put their > headers in your messages? FWIW, neither of those put headers in the message (Habeas stopped doing that years ago). They're both DNS reputation services. -- Ra

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jon Ribbens wrote: > I work at a company with an automated on-line system. This system > sends emails to people. Spam Assassin appears to be triggering > very strongly, and incorrectly, on our messages. > Any advice would be gratefully received! ...sign up with a service lik

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Adam Lanier
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 16:58 +, Jon Ribbens wrote: > > But that's all a bit philosophical and beside the point of my > question, which is: should I change our emails, and if so, in what > way - or do SpamAssassin's default settings as provided on > updates.spamassassin.org need changing? Perha

Re: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
Sietse van Zanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have your trusted_networks, internal_networks and all_trusted set > up correctly? > > With these three options you should be able to exclude messages sent > from your IP address. Yes, the problem is not that *our* SpamAssassin installation is f

RE: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Sietse van Zanen
e resources too. -Sietse -Original Message- From: Jon Ribbens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:10 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending? I work at a company with an automated on-line system. Th

What to do about False Positives on messages I am sending?

2006-12-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
I work at a company with an automated on-line system. This system sends emails to people. Spam Assassin appears to be triggering very strongly, and incorrectly, on our messages. FWIW, no we are not spammers, in fact the emails I'm talking about aren't even a mailing list. They're emails generated