Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-28 Thread Jan Vissers
Excellent, thanks Jesse. -J. BTW (We'll stick to good 'ol ANT + Ivy ;-) ) Jesse Kuhnert wrote: If your company doesn't allow using maven then you can download Tapestry like anyone else: http://tapestry.apache.org/download.html Other than that you'll be missing out on all of the archetypes /

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-28 Thread Jesse Kuhnert
If your company doesn't allow using maven then you can download Tapestry like anyone else: http://tapestry.apache.org/download.html Other than that you'll be missing out on all of the archetypes / snapshot updates / etc. ...You can go find out more about that at : http://maven.apache.org Yes

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-28 Thread Jan Vissers
Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you. The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch of stuff related to Ma

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-28 Thread Jesse Kuhnert
It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your question. if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a requirement. If not, I don't

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-28 Thread Jan Vissers
C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says at the Maven project info ;-) - we as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a requirement in our every day work or not. To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related threads i

AW: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Peter Schröder
: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 08:40 An: Tapestry users Cc: Tapestry users Betreff: Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-) > but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of > standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention > transitive > depe

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Jesse Kuhnert
What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS link posted earlier in this thread? At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the same courtesy. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers <[EMAIL PROT

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Jan Vissers
> but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of > standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention > transitive > dependency management. Sure - but in my opinion this shouldn't be imposed by a web application framework. I should be able to decide whether to use Mav

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Konstantin Ignatyev
--- Borut Bolčina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: > > http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 > This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, > 2005. > Insulting, but pretty damn valid IMO to this day (Mar-27-2007). > I share my oppinion with > http://www.these

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Miguel Angel Hernández
I find maven extremely useful, not only for my own projects. But also for building fresh checkouts from other os projects. Its really time saving and handy. We are currently working in a multimodule project using maven and it's working charmingly. On 3/27/07, D&J Gredler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread D&J Gredler
I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent a couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2 quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dep

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Borut Bolčina
Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 Best, Borut P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny.

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Konstantin Ignatyev
Maven is very much like Windows and Project Wizards - does work fine till we need something slightly different than "they" think we would need. For example I think that: Much praised transitive dependencies in Maven 2 is simply abomination because it makes build dependent on repository content.

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Jan Vissers
What's more - suppose I want to create a web application, consisting of several (Eclipse) projects reflecting my application layering. Using Maven I first have to figure out how to setup multimodule applications and then wait whether this is indeed working properly in the specific Maven version

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Jan Vissers
Just created a new Tapestry 5 app and am not sure whether things completed ok. Maven is given me the following feedback: [INFO] Created: 20 parsers. [INFO] Velocimacro : initialization starting. [INFO] Velocimacro : adding VMs from VM library template : VM_global_library.vm [ERROR] ResourceMana

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Renat Zubairov
Hi I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice framework that really simplify project structure and development practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5 but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of projects build by maven).

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Robin Ericsson
On 3/27/07, Jan Vissers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? Development of, currently yes. Development with, currently no. -- regards, Robin -

Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Konstantin Ignatyev
Good catch. Maven has good idea behind but not too good implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly simply can not produce anything useable :( I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency management and publishing: just a bit more work initially but them it all just works... --- J

I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)

2007-03-27 Thread Jan Vissers
Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]