That is a very interesting essay. Not understanding and being able to
communicate in the language of science can hold one back or even produce
regression while others who are fluent in the language of science will
progress..
But funding scientific research won't have any affect on increasing
I doubt many would complain (or even notice if metric only was on some
packages). So it seems that it is possible for businesses to just ignore the
present law and start dropping the USC.
Jerry
From: James R. Frysinger
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Fr
Unless there are complaints, people who mark their product in metric
only are not prosecuted. I've seen several products that were marked in
metric only and not in dual indications.
Jim
Jeremiah MacGregor wrote:
Look at the attached picture. It is from a product made in and sold in
the US.
Thanks for the links Ken. I found this particular one amusing:
Henry
Joined: 23 Feb 2009
Posts: 1
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:29 am Post subject:
Stimpy wrote:
..and yes you probably get the picture now - we have me posting - then Lee
clinging on t
I wonder why Stephen doesn't post his frustrations here for all of the USMA
posters to see.
Yes, I would agree strongly that Stephen's sinister actions have brought this
site down. But that is true of every forum Stephen has been a member of.
Eventually they all close down and all because o
Aside from milk, are there any other products sold in supermarkets in the UK?
One gets the impression that all one can buy is milk.
In the US our shelves are stocked with thousands of different items. What
about the UK? Don't they have thousands of different items for sale too? And
aren'
Do you feel that the 1.136 L size is destine to disappear completely in the
near future?
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association ;
jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 3:46:55 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:44946] RE: FPLA 2010
Beca
Stephen said
"Delivered milk is very regional in the UK."
Or, in more truthful & precise terms, delivered milk has decreased from around
27% to around 8% of total UK retail milk sales over the last 20 years.
(Source - Dairy UK's "The White Paper - previously cited)
--- On Fri, 1/5/09, Ste
Important note: as with other acts of pedantry, twisting the truth, and general
vendetta led spam - do not believe claims of joke posts by 'Jock' being myself.
Apart from precisely no-one here being in the slightest bit interested (note
the number of people who de-subscribe at the weekend) I
I was referring to the situation in the US where the amount to be tested
depends on the larger of the declarations.
In the office kitchen where I work one of the girls brought in her own bottle
of soap to use by the sink for hand washing. The soap was made by a company
called Morningside (http
Increments of 500 mL are true (rounded) metric amounts and increments of 568 mL
are pseudo metric amounts. So, yes it is important if we are looking for
products to be sold in true metric amounts.
I was interested in knowing what the percentage of milk sold in true metric
amounts is compared t
What if the amounts in the test are consistent between 450 and 452 g? Would it
matter if the supplemental unit overstates the highest amount by 2 g? It seems
that what you are telling us is that the supplemental amounts are ignored for
testing purposes and can be wrong and no one would care.
It just seems like a lot of extra work for nothing just to find which of the
two or more numbers is the largest and which system takes precedence. It would
be much easier to establish the SI declaration as the base and just check to
make sure the product is in compliance with it.
Jerry
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Just because he couldn't relate 30 kW to the power of his engine, doesn't mean
he knew the horsepowers nor does it imply he would know what the power means in
either units.
Anyway I don't see the connection between providing money for science research
and your story. Training someone to unders
Why not point out the so-called inconsistencies, Stephen?
Are you suggesting that 4 different products marked
450 g 1 lb
453 g 1 lb
454 g 1 lb
455 g 1 lb
are inconsistent?
IMO, the primary measurements are grams. The different products vary slightly
in size. The supplementary imperial ind
Stephen said
"I still find it rather telling that known extremists have to make up names to
post behind (and in the case of Lee, rather sinisterly)."
I would rather debate Weights & Measures, but cannot let this pass.
On www.metric-versus-imperial.com, Stephen posts as "Jock McScotland"
(amo
So, when is Stephen going to tell Uppercrust Pies of Manchester, England that
450 g (1 lb) is an absurd way to describe their pies?
http://www.uppercrustpies.com/x3gioCart/products.php?deps=10
"1lb" is nothing more than a supplementary imperial indication. The primary
indication is metric.
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Stephen said
"Realistically though - it still must be the case that people pick up a can,
tin, bottle etc of red bull/coke/etc on visual size rather than be specific
about the numbering on the side of the product"
How would you describe this can then Stephen? 473 ml/1 US pt isn't exactly a
c
Because (until last month) the UK used a system of prescribed quantities.
Milk in non-returnable containers had to be sold in prescribed metric measures
(which could also bear a supplementary indication). The prescribed
measures included 1 litre & 1.136 litres. They didn't include 1.1 litres
-
JMS - Please note the inconsistencies related to what would or would not be
legal in the UK - I'm sure you will have picked it up.
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:19:48 -0700
From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [USMA:44957] Re: FPLA 2010
To: usma@colostate.edu
In the US, it would have to contain
Jerry said
"It must be living hell for the inspector to know what amount to test to"
Not really, Jerry.
Until 1994, the UK regarded dual-marked packages in the same way as the US does
now i.e. it must contain the larger of the two marked quantities.
Measurement was done in metric (it's a b
Jerry
As I have already explained, all "supermarket" milk is packed & sold in metric
amounts. Is it really important whether that amount is a multiple of 500 ml or
of 568 ml?
I think that you mean to ask "what percentage of milk is packed & sold in
metric as compared to the percentage packed
In the US, it would have to contain 1 lb, on average. There is no question on
that.
I'm not sure if the 450 g declaration would be OK or not. It is OK, in fact
required, to round down, but 453 g is the first 3-digit number smaller than 1
lb. To round down further to 450 g might prompt some
I've remembered something else at the NCT meeting.
There was a chart behind the 'teacher' which was leaning against the back wall
and it had 3 diagrams on it with different numbers with 'cm' shown after it. I
believe it has something to do with cervix dilation in centimeters- or
something -but
I don't know how this package would be regarded in the US.
In the UK, it would be considered to be a 450 g package with a "1 lb"
supplementary indication. A batch of the product would have to average 450 g or
more.
--- On Fri, 1/5/09, Jeremiah MacGregor wrote:
From: Jeremiah MacGregor
Subj
Yep, that's pretty revealing stuff. Thanks, Stephen!
Ezra
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Humphreys"
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 3:08:04 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [USMA:44952] Re: metric Britain
A quick update for you - as promised e
If they are comfortable calculating the sample mean and standard deviation and
the t-score of a student-t test, I'm sure the conversion of the Customary
declaration to metric and comparing them is pretty trivial.
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Jeremiah MacGregor
wrote:
From: Jeremiah MacGregor
Subje
A quick update for you - as promised ezra - regarding imp-usage in the UK.
Last night we attended our first NCT.
The NCT is basically a support network for those couples about to start a
family.
Basically you meet in a specific place and are 'coached'. Everyone in the
group (all couples)
Mr Schweisthal
You are fully aware that all my posts are true (I have really no reason to
waste my time making up elaborate stories which I will have to remember forever
just to keep you on the boil).
There should be some recognition now that Lee's main reason for being here is
to take
Delivered milk is very regional in the UK.
I've been to many towns where the familiar site of an electric milk van is
still apparent.
We don't drink enough milk - so we get ours from Tesco as and when (and you
know how that is labelled)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:22:05 -0700
From: jer
Although finally you admit to dual labelling in the UK ("coz Lee tells me so")
the example you cite is almost as absurd as the 500 g "pound" and 500 L "pint"
(and the metric record - lol). What I mean is - in reality it does not
happen. 454 g is essentially regarded as a pound.
Date: Th
Realistically though - it still must be the case that people pick up a can,
tin, bottle etc of red bull/coke/etc on visual size rather than be specific
about the numbering on the side of the product (even if "he" [ahem] wouldn't
allow it lol!).
Obviously the figures are there to meet regula
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