[USMA:45454] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread STANLEY DOORE
Millimeters rather than centimeters or meters should be used for the default for height. Millimeters has a number of advantages even though millimeters it may imply more precision. Use of millimeters only for height avoids complexity and confusion. Meters and centimeters require a deci

[USMA:45455] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread Tom Wade
It is good of you to promote metric height numbers. However, I do not like centimeter. I want schools to stop teaching and using centimeter. I also want schools to stop teaching inch-pound numbers. So, I want height to be in millimeters. What is it with the anti-centimeter prejudice that

[USMA:45456] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread John M. Steele
I'm not sure whether centimeters or meters is my first choice, but millimeters for human height is my third.   Since Americans aren't very metric, maybe we should look at prevailing practive in "real" metric countries, not introduce further minor difference.  In Europe and South America, the cen

[USMA:45457] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread STANLEY DOORE
If centimeters without a decimal point is the only unit for height, I would have no objection. If that half-inch precision is all that's needed, then OK. If added precision is needed then millimeters is far better. Decimal points should not be used in any case. Automated measurement

[USMA:45458] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread John M. Steele
Yes, you could automate the measurement, but humans aren't precise enough for 1 mm resolution.  Most people are slightly taller in the morning when they get up that they are by the end of the day; 1 cm resolution is appropriate, more is "decimal dust." --- On Thu, 7/30/09, STANLEY DOORE wrote:

[USMA:45459] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Trusten
Stan et al, In healthcare, the height is centimeters is always an integer. There's no need to measure a person's height to the nearest millimeter. Picture yourself standing on a scale and having the nurse raise or lower the metal marker to the top of your head. The nearest centimeter is suf

[USMA:45460] centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread Robert H. Bushnell
Does NIST have any comments, reports, policies or recommendations about the use of centimeter? Or not use of centimeter. I want everyone to stop using centimeter. How are we to convert to SI if, when we hear centimeter we think, "now how many inches is that"? Centimeter causes this problem be

[USMA:45461] Metre for SI RE: Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Paul, Johm, Stan & friends: >.in the U.S. would look at the value $0.25 and say, "point two five dollars My first grader grand children are comfortable 'recognising & saying' this denomination' as a QUARTER or 25 cents; like wise use of centimetre in clinical lab seems fine BUT not while ex

[USMA:45462] RE: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread brian
I disagree.  Centimeters are fine.   However, I do agree with getting rid of the inch.  :) Original Message Subject: [USMA:45460] centimeter From: "Robert H. Bushnell" Date: Thu, July 30, 2009 10:10 am To: "U.S. Metric Association" Cc: usma@colostate.edu Does NIST have any

[USMA:45463] Re: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
My answer is, be Stubborn Indeed (SI). Do not convert to inches for your questioner. Quoting "Robert H. Bushnell" : Does NIST have any comments, reports, policies or recommendations about the use of centimeter? Or not use of centimeter. I want everyone to stop using centimeter. How a

[USMA:45464] Celsius--whew!

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
The deprecated term for Celsius (I won't repeat it) it still in such general use that it will be hard to shake even though it was decommissioned 60 years ago. However, when two men from my hospital's engineering department were recalibrating the thermostat on one of our pharmacy's refrige

[USMA:45465] Re: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread James R. Frysinger
Robert, This has been discussed many, many times by me and others with Ken Butcher, Elizabeth Gentry, et al. at NIST. Take this as a fact: NIST has absolutely nothing against the centimeter. They consider it to be equal in status to the millimeter, the decimeter, the dekameter, the hectomet

[USMA:45466] Re: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread John M. Steele
I agree with Jim F's comments, but I would like to make an additional point.   NIST was the technical advisor (and possibly ghostwriter) for the FTC's detailed rules in support of the FPLA, and advisor to NCWM on the language of the UPLR.  As a matter of state and Federal law, the centimeter is a

[USMA:45468] Re: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread James R. Frysinger
John, Now you're talking U.S. law and regulation regarding a particular application: labeling. It is perfectly fine to specify which form of a unit should be used in certain applications if one wishes to standardize **practice**. For example, the ICAO might decide to specify that all flight

[USMA:45469] centimetres vs millimetres

2009-07-30 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Tom, I take exception to the expression, anti-centimeter prejudice. As you know, I am opposed to the use of the centimetre in almost all* practical daily calculations, but this is not on the basis of an anti- centimeter prejudice. My opposition to the centimetre is based on observation

[USMA:45470] RE: centimetres vs millimetres

2009-07-30 Thread brian
Centimeters is the industry common measurement for cycling (frames) and skiingso I use them regularly.    But this is like the meter vs metre argument.  Who cares as long as it's not inch-foot-pounds Original Message Subject: [USMA:45469] centimetres vs millimetres From

[USMA:45471] Re: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread John M. Steele
I agree with that.  However, NIST has CLEARLY indicated that the centimeter is OK for trade.  They may feel the dekameter is fine too, in general, but in fact, it is not OK for trade.   I believe we are talking about practice here, as the way height is stated has ramifications in medical records

[USMA:45472] Re: centimeter

2009-07-30 Thread James R. Frysinger
I concur. I would imagine that someday in the U.S. it will be standard and specified practice to state a person's height only in meters for drivers' licenses and in medical records. Or, to state a person's height only in centimeters for drivers' licenses and in medical records. Hopefully, dri

[USMA:45473] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Tom: You are very right IMHO, but this is nothing new! See my article at http://www.metricviews.org.uk/2009/01/20/metric-user-friendly/ Cheers John F-L - Original Message - From: "Tom Wade" To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: [USMA:454

[USMA:45474] Re: Fw: default units for height

2009-07-30 Thread STANLEY DOORE
Thanks Pat for the article reference. The excerpt below from the article summarizes height measurement issues. In this age of technology, especially in clinics and hospitals, measurements for height and time of observation can easily be incorporated in weight scales and, readouts/prin