Re: A performance question

2007-05-25 Thread John Beckett
Yakov Lerner wrote: 9-digit number can still be larger than 2^32-1, or than 2^31-1. Just for the record: 2^30 = 1,073,741,824 So 999,999,999 (largest 9-digit number) won't overflow a 32-bit signed integer. John

Re: A performance question

2007-05-25 Thread Robert M Robinson
No, I implied vim has more uses than any one person could possibly imagine. I also meant any question like "Why would anyone want ...?" really just means "I can't imagine wanting ", so if that isn't what you meant to say you might want to rephrase your question. I would ask why anyone would

Re: A performance question

2007-05-25 Thread Robert M Robinson
My statements were meant to say I find vim very useful. grep and sed are great; I use grep all the time, and sed occasionally (because I'm usually looking at large files rather than editing them). vim is just more convenient for looking at the lines above and below a regular expression match, es

Re: A performance question

2007-05-25 Thread fREW
On 5/25/07, Yakov Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/25/07, Yongwei Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24/05/07, Robert M Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 23 May 2007, fREW wrote: > > |Someone recently was emailing the list about looking at a small > > |section of DNA with

Re: A performance question

2007-05-25 Thread Yakov Lerner
On 5/25/07, Yongwei Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 24/05/07, Robert M Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 23 May 2007, fREW wrote: > |Someone recently was emailing the list about looking at a small > |section of DNA with vim as text and it was a number of gigs. I think > |he ended

Re: A performance question

2007-05-25 Thread Yakov Lerner
On 5/25/07, John Beckett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A.J.Mechelynck wrote: > What about a different function to return, say, the number of > 1K blocks (or the number of times 2^n bytes, with a parameter > passed to the function) that a file uses? Yes, that's a much more general and better idea.

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread Yongwei Wu
On 24/05/07, Robert M Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2007, fREW wrote: |Someone recently was emailing the list about looking at a small |section of DNA with vim as text and it was a number of gigs. I think |he ended up using other unix tools (sed and grep I think), but |nont

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
John Beckett wrote: A.J.Mechelynck wrote: What about a different function to return, say, the number of 1K blocks (or the number of times 2^n bytes, with a parameter passed to the function) that a file uses? Yes, that's a much more general and better idea. Since there's probably not much need

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread John Beckett
A.J.Mechelynck wrote: What about a different function to return, say, the number of 1K blocks (or the number of times 2^n bytes, with a parameter passed to the function) that a file uses? Yes, that's a much more general and better idea. Since there's probably not much need for this, I think th

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread Robert M Robinson
On Wed, 23 May 2007, fREW wrote: |Someone recently was emailing the list about looking at a small |section of DNA with vim as text and it was a number of gigs. I think |he ended up using other unix tools (sed and grep I think), but |nontheless, text files can be big too ;-) | |-fREW | A maxim t

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
John Beckett wrote: Yongwei Wu wrote: Even FAT32 supports files much larger than 4GB. Not true. FAT32 supports files up to 4 GB. Sorry I shot my mouth off there - I realised my blunder about ten minutes after sending. I haven't actually used a FAT32 partition for over ten years, and was conf

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
John Beckett wrote: Charles E Campbell Jr wrote: Sounds like the filesize is getting stored in a 32bit signed number, and overflowing. Yes, definitely. Please let me know what getfsize() is actually returning The return value is the bit pattern for the low 32 bits of the true 64-bit file s

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread John Beckett
panshizhu wrote: Yes, but on all systems, vim script could not take 64-bit integers I know that. My proposal is for a new Vim script function: islargefile({fname}, {limit}) which would return nonzero if the size of the file is greater than the 32-bit signed {limit} argument. Vim could easi

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread John Beckett
Yongwei Wu wrote: Even FAT32 supports files much larger than 4GB. Not true. FAT32 supports files up to 4 GB. Sorry I shot my mouth off there - I realised my blunder about ten minutes after sending. I haven't actually used a FAT32 partition for over ten years, and was confusing the maximum siz

Re: A performance question

2007-05-24 Thread John Beckett
Charles E Campbell Jr wrote: Sounds like the filesize is getting stored in a 32bit signed number, and overflowing. Yes, definitely. Please let me know what getfsize() is actually returning The return value is the bit pattern for the low 32 bits of the true 64-bit file size: 3,146,839,49

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread fREW
On 5/23/07, Yongwei Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 23/05/07, John Beckett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > panshizhu wrote: > > As far as I know, Windows does not support files larger than > > 4GB. So its okay to use unsigned 32-bit for filesize in > > windows. > > It's not as bad as that! Even FAT

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread panshizhu
"Yongwei Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写于 2007-05-24 11:28:06: > Who really want to edit TEXT files as large as that? I cannot think of > scenarios other than log files. Maybe Vim does not fit in this role. > > Best regards, > > Yongwei > -- Yes it fits in this role, and frankly speaking this was the re

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread Yongwei Wu
On 23/05/07, John Beckett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: panshizhu wrote: > As far as I know, Windows does not support files larger than > 4GB. So its okay to use unsigned 32-bit for filesize in > windows. It's not as bad as that! Even FAT32 supports files much larger than 4GB. Not true. FAT32 sup

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread panshizhu
Charles E Campbell Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写于 2007-05-23 21:38:27: > Sounds like the filesize is getting stored in a 32bit signed number, and > overflowing. > Is the negative number -1 (that would mean "file can't be found")? If > not, then perhaps > that fact could be used to "extend" the LargeFil

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
Robert Maxwell Robinson wrote: In that case, I'll have to thank Bram for fixing my problem before I even asked him to do so! Thanks Gary, when I get a chance I'll download vim 7. To those of you who provided links to work-around scripts etc., thank you for your help. If any of you are hav

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
In that case, I'll have to thank Bram for fixing my problem before I even asked him to do so! Thanks Gary, when I get a chance I'll download vim 7. To those of you who provided links to work-around scripts etc., thank you for your help. If any of you are having trouble with large files I'd

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread Charles E Campbell Jr
John Beckett wrote: Peter Palm wrote: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1506. Indeed, among other things, this disables the swap file for 'large' files, which should really speed up things. I was going to report the following issue to vim-dev after I got a chance to investi

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread Charles E Campbell Jr
Robert M Robinson wrote: That brings me to my question. I have noticed that when editing large files (millions of lines), deleting a large number of lines (say, hundreds of thousands to millions) takes an unbelieveably long time in VIM--at least on my systems. This struck me as so odd, I loo

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread panshizhu
"John Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写于 2007-05-23 19:32:25: > On many systems, the calculation could use 64-bit integers. > > John Yes, but on all systems, vim script could not take 64-bit integers: see eval.txt line 38: 1.1 Variable types ~ *E712* There

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread John Beckett
panshizhu wrote: As far as I know, Windows does not support files larger than 4GB. So its okay to use unsigned 32-bit for filesize in windows. It's not as bad as that! Even FAT32 supports files much larger than 4GB. The Win32 API includes function _stati64() to get a 64-bit file size (the API

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread panshizhu
"John Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写于 2007-05-23 18:39:22: > The result was really ugly. The script failed to notice that 3GB > was large because the Vim function getfsize(f) returned a > negative number. > > I haven't checked getfsize() on 32-bit Linux yet, nor am I > sufficiently patient to try o

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread John Beckett
Peter Palm wrote: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1506. Indeed, among other things, this disables the swap file for 'large' files, which should really speed up things. I was going to report the following issue to vim-dev after I got a chance to investigate it a little further,

Re: A performance question

2007-05-23 Thread Peter Palm
Op woensdag 23 mei 2007, schreef fREW: > Another thing that might help with speed that was mentioned a month > or so ago is the following script specifically aimed at increasing > speed for large files: > http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1506. Indeed, among other things, this disabl

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread panshizhu
AFAIK Vim 7 has a different way of handling undo levels. Have you tried with Vim 6 instead? I had used Vim 6 to edit a text file (3Gbytes) and do things within seconds. -- Sincerely, Pan, Shi Zhu. ext: 2606 Robert Maxwell Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写于 2007-05-23 05:59:20: > > ":set undolevel

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread fREW
On 5/22/07, Gary Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2007-05-22, Robert Maxwell Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm, interesting. I've noticed before that the CPU is pegged when I'm > deleting, but I don't think my machine's behavior is due to CPU load; the > machine has two CPUs, I'm

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Gary Johnson
On 2007-05-22, Robert Maxwell Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm, interesting. I've noticed before that the CPU is pegged when I'm > deleting, but I don't think my machine's behavior is due to CPU load; the > machine has two CPUs, I'm typically the only (serious) user, as "top" has >

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
Hmm, interesting. I've noticed before that the CPU is pegged when I'm deleting, but I don't think my machine's behavior is due to CPU load; the machine has two CPUs, I'm typically the only (serious) user, as "top" has confirmed is the case now, and I get the same behavior whether I'm running

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Gary Johnson
On 2007-05-22, Robert Maxwell Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ":set undolevels=-1" caused my test to run in less than 15 sec, with no > other options fiddled with. Thanks Tim, now I have a work-around! > > Now, does having the undo facility available _necessarily_ mean deleting a > la

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
Thanks, Andy; the black hole register is a new idea to me. Unfortunately, ":.,$d _" to the black hole register appears to take the same amount of time as ":.,$d" itself. "set undolevels=-1" speeds it up, but "set undolevels=0" does not; this suggests to me that the problem isn't related to

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Andy Wokula
A.J.Mechelynck schrieb: Robert M Robinson wrote: First, thanks very much for creating VIM! I have been using it on Linux systems for years, and now use it via cygwin at home as well. I vastly prefer VIM to EMACS, especially at home. I learned vi on a VAX/VMS system long ago (a friend of m

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
":set undolevels=-1" caused my test to run in less than 15 sec, with no other options fiddled with. Thanks Tim, now I have a work-around! Now, does having the undo facility available _necessarily_ mean deleting a large chunk of a file takes so long, or can that be added to the list of desir

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
":set syntax?" replies "syntax=". I don't think it's syntax highlighting. I've used that with C and Prolog code before; I gave it up because it was too slow. I'm editing text output from one of my programs; truncating the output of a day-long run to match a run in progress for testing purpos

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
I just tried deleting 1133093 lines of a 1133093+1133409 line file, after typing ":syntax off". It took about 3 minutes. Max On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Chase wrote: Do you have syntax highlighting enabled? That can really slow vim down. Well, I don't mean to. ":set" says this: It can b

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Tim Chase
Do you have syntax highlighting enabled? That can really slow vim down. Well, I don't mean to. ":set" says this: It can be toggled via :syntax on and :syntax off To see what flavor of syntax highlighting you currently have, you can query the 'syntax' setting: :

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
Well, I don't mean to. ":set" says this: -- autoindent helplang=en scroll=11 t_Sb=Esc[4%dm backspace=2 history=50 ttyfast t_Sf=Esc[3%dm cscopetag hlsearchttymouse=xterm cscopeverbose ruler viminfo='20,"50 cscopeprg=/usr/bin/c

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Robert Maxwell Robinson
Thanks, Tim. I'll look at the options you recommended--and those you didn't, so I may not need to ask next time. :) Cheers, Max On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Chase wrote: The issue of editing large files comes up occasionally. A few settings can be tweaked to vastly improve performance. Not

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Gary Johnson
On 2007-05-22, Robert M Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That brings me to my question. I have noticed that when editing large files > (millions of lines), deleting a large number of lines (say, hundreds of > thousands to millions) takes an unbelieveably long time in VIM--at least on >

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread Tim Chase
That brings me to my question. I have noticed that when editing large files (millions of lines), deleting a large number of lines (say, hundreds of thousands to millions) takes an unbelieveably long time in VIM--at least on my systems. The issue of editing large files comes up occasionally. A

Re: A performance question

2007-05-22 Thread A.J.Mechelynck
Robert M Robinson wrote: First, thanks very much for creating VIM! I have been using it on Linux systems for years, and now use it via cygwin at home as well. I vastly prefer VIM to EMACS, especially at home. I learned vi on a VAX/VMS system long ago (a friend of mine had ported it), when