Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread hartonj
Frankly, consider it lucky that's it's a comparable easy to fix problem. Broken ICs that aren't made anymore are much more difficult to replace, as would be SMD parts. On Jun 26, 9:17 pm, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: At 14:15 -0400 6/26/11, Wesley Furr wrote: How do you manage

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread Jeff Walther
On Jun 25, 7:28 am, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote: GroanLOL! Do they tend to leak due to use (heat) and age, or is just being old enough for them to crap out?  I've got a little collection of old computers, just wondering if they are likely failing even though they are just

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime

2011-06-27 Thread Jeff Walther
On Jun 25, 4:42 am, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Duncan Mac Dougall dma...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like cap rot. The SMT electrolytic capacitors used in just about anything electronic from the late 80s-mid 90s are at the end of their lifespan. They will

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread Britt Dodd
I seem to have a problem identifying different types of capacitors. The ones I'm currently trying to find replacements for are surface mount caps that look like tiny metal cans sitting on a black insulator with pads on the sides. I guess those are tantalums? But yeah I've replaced the normal

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread Jeff Walther
On Jun 26, 1:15 pm, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote: How do you manage to replace those puny little surface-mount jobbies though? Through-the-board electrolytics aren't a problem, I've done a number of them over the years... There are two types of surface mount capacitor on the boards.

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread Doug McNutt
At 14:16 -0400 6/27/11, Britt Dodd wrote: I seem to have a problem identifying different types of capacitors. The ones I'm currently trying to find replacements for are surface mount caps that look like tiny metal cans sitting on a black insulator with pads on the sides. I guess those are

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread Wesley Furr
Most definitely...had that happen to an old Tandy PC of mine...a neat old 286...wow...yuck. I really need to pull it out and try to do something to at least stop the damage from getting any worse. Probably no hope of it ever running again though... :-( So yes...take a few minutes and pull

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-27 Thread Wesley Furr
Great info...thanks!! Wesley -Original Message- The easiest way to remove them is to get two soldering pencils and apply one to each lead on the cap until the solder is fully melted and the capacitor will lift up without applying any substantial force. Getting impatient and forcing

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Yup, PC mainboards get hit by it too. Google for capacitor plague. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague --- On Sat, 6/25/11, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote: GroanLOL! Do they tend to leak due to use (heat) and age, or is just being old enough for them to crap out?  I've

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Wesley Furr
The issue you link to is a more modern issue...not to mention I don't recall seeing capacitors as large as the problem ones in older 80's to early 90's hardware. I believe the comment was about the little surface mount capacitors rather than the big radial electrolytic ones that have caused so

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Britt Dodd
They all go bad after a long lifetime. The plaugue happened when I was working at a computer repair shop. I went from seeing very few problems caused by capacitors to resoldering caps and replacing motherboards almost daily. The formula messup might have been bad for consumers, but it certainly

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Wesley Furr
Ugh...that doesn't bode well! I guess emulation will be the way to use our vintage computers in the future... Wesley _ They all go bad after a long lifetime. The plaugue happened when I was working at a computer repair shop. I went from seeing very few problems caused by capacitors

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread J. Alexander Jacocks
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote: Ugh...that doesn't bode well!  I guess emulation will be the way to use our vintage computers in the future... snip Or, the vintage Mac community will have to become more like the vintage Amiga and Atari communities, and

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Eric Hall
Actually, it's not that hard to replace the capacitors. It could be easily done with two hours work at the most. Eric --- On Sun, 6/26/11, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote: From: Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com Subject: RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors) To: vintage

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Wesley Furr
How do you manage to replace those puny little surface-mount jobbies though? Through-the-board electrolytics aren't a problem, I've done a number of them over the years... Wesley _ Actually, it's not that hard to replace the capacitors. It could be easily done with two hours work at

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-26 Thread Doug McNutt
At 14:15 -0400 6/26/11, Wesley Furr wrote: How do you manage to replace those puny little surface-mount jobbies though? Through-the-board electrolytics aren't a problem, I've done a number of them over the years... Think about replacing the beasts with tantalum equivalents. Essentially all

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime

2011-06-25 Thread Duncan Mac Dougall
Sounds like cap rot. The SMT electrolytic capacitors used in just about anything electronic from the late 80s-mid 90s are at the end of their lifespan. They will leak, causing the machine to malfunction at best and corrode the motherboard at worst. Sometimes you can see or smell the leaky residue

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime

2011-06-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Fri, 6/24/11, Duncan Mac Dougall dma...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like cap rot. The SMT electrolytic capacitors used in just about anything electronic from the late 80s-mid 90s are at the end of their lifespan. They will leak, causing the machine to malfunction at best and corrode the

RE: Strange Sound after Startup Chime (Dying Capacitors)

2011-06-25 Thread Wesley Furr
GroanLOL! Do they tend to leak due to use (heat) and age, or is just being old enough for them to crap out? I've got a little collection of old computers, just wondering if they are likely failing even though they are just sitting around 99.99% of the time (or more). Has

Strange Sound after Startup Chime

2011-06-24 Thread Iamanamma
I have to work with vintage Macs on a daily basis, and I've hear the car crash noise, the breaking glass noise, and the chimes of doom. I've never heard the video game-like major chord sound that I heard today. I have IIci that has decided to start behaving badly. When I powered it on, I got the

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime

2011-06-24 Thread Dan
At 6:46 AM -0700 6/24/2011, Iamanamma wrote: I have IIci that has decided to start behaving badly. When I powered it on, I got the normal startup chime followed immediately by a four note major chord. There wasn't even time between the two sounds to reset the PRAM. The main bong means that

Re: Strange Sound after Startup Chime

2011-06-24 Thread Iamanamma
Does the machine work without the cache card? Dan, I don't know. I didn't try. -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at