Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread John Niven
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 03:30 PM, John Niven wrote: Now this got me thinking - why can I only use 8MB of program RAM? It's called 24 bit addressing, but 2 to the power of 24 is a 16M address space. I also have a Classic II that has 10MB of RAM (2MB on the motherboard, and two 4MB

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip I use 68k macs because I just feel more at home with them. I am used to them. They same simple to troubleshoot, are dependable, I've found my Turbo 601 upgraded IIci to be a much less twitchy computer than my Radius 81/110, which itself

Re: New Hardware

2003-08-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just picked up a CD/Maxtet 700 CD ROM Tower. It's got 7 CD ROMS and is marked as a file server. A SCSI device, it hooks to any Mac from an SE/30 to an early PPC. Maybe newer, too, but it's got 4x speed CD's. LEM has an OEM version of FWB CD-ROM

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- Powermac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats a good cheap sound card for a mac IIfx? All there ever was in the cheap end was the Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16 or PAS16. The drivers fail to work right above System 7.5.3, IIRC. As for the much higher (priced) end, Digidesign was a big player

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
I've found my Turbo 601 upgraded IIci to be a much less twitchy computer than my Radius 81/110, which itself is far less troublesome than my 7300/200. Every time I do _anything_ to the 7300 I find myself having to do a clean OS reinstall. Had it going good then dropped in a USB 1.1 card and

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
I've just confirmed that my Classic II, running OS 6.0.8L, has a total memory of 10,240KB, the largest free block is 9,102KB, Finder uses 160KB, while the system uses 978KB. Does this elevate the Classic II from Road Apple status as a OS 6 machine? :-) In my book no Mac that can run system 6

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Sque
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:10 pm, Marten van de Kraats replied Gregg Eshelman wrote: I've found my Turbo 601 upgraded IIci to be a much less twitchy computer than my Radius 81/110, which itself is far less troublesome than my 7300/200. Every time I do _anything_ to the 7300 I find myself

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Powermac
- Original Message - From: Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: vintage quality The 7300 belongs to the generation of mac products I avoid. A colleague of mine has a 5500 black all-in-one

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Sque
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:40 am, Powermac wrote: I find my 7500 and 8500 to be reliable, that would be in the generation you consider problematic. Not what you have but the way you use it. :) It's a mighty big slice of the apple to class as lemons. OpenOffice1.10 runs well so far on both the

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Phil
Phil Marlow here- Long time listener, Second time writer. I personally hate the early PPC's. I have both a 7200/90 (Slow), and a 4400/160 (European - Probably one of the worst macs ever built) which has made me bitter. The 4400 in particular drives me up the wall. It is painfully slow to boot

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread J.S. Garrison
on 8/19/03 4:53 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stick with macs boys, they're made for you. I've got one sound card that needs enteries like Jeff has described only to run on win3.11 or dos. Fascinating. All, newer integrated machines have components installed and tuned at the

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread J.S. Garrison
on 8/19/03 9:54 PM, Powermac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats a good cheap sound card for a mac IIfx? That Mac has built-in sound. No card necessary. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread J.S. Garrison
on 8/19/03 10:11 PM, John Niven at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just confirmed that my Classic II, running OS 6.0.8L, has a total memory of 10,240KB, the largest free block is 9,102KB, Finder uses 160KB, while the system uses 978KB. Does this elevate the Classic II from Road Apple status as

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
OpenOffice1.10 runs well so far on both the quad and the 7300, might have to ask Gregg about this source for apple 10/100 nics though. Well the bits I've tried have so far. :) Ah. OpenOffice. But that reeks of linux. Or what? Linux might run pretty well on those machines, contrary to the Mac OS.

Re: New Hardware

2003-08-20 Thread J.S. Garrison
on 8/20/03 1:36 AM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just picked up a CD/Maxtet 700 CD ROM Tower. It's got 7 CD ROMS and is marked as a file server. A SCSI device, it hooks to any Mac from an SE/30 to an early PPC. Maybe newer, too, but

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread J.S. Garrison
on 8/20/03 6:40 AM, Powermac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: vintage quality The 7300 belongs to the generation of mac

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Gamba
I've got a nice Mac IIci. I've also got 128MB of RAM and [snip]. I've loaded this with OS 6.0.8. It all seems to work fine, and FAST! Except that with 128MB of RAM it takes a long time to start-up (memory test?). Yes it's a long memory test with 128MB of RAM. The only way that I know of to avoid

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Shaun Howell
Curious indeed. I have a pair of 6500/225 towers I use for rough work; never given me a bit of trouble. Most everyday work I do on my mighty Powerbooks, the 190cs and 5300c, likewise trouble free. All running OS 8.6. -- From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread Powermac
- Original Message - From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: Re: IIfx sound card on 8/19/03 9:54 PM, Powermac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats a good cheap sound card for a mac IIfx? That Mac

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Powermac
- Original Message - From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: vintage quality I'm agreeing with this poster, here. I've had a Performa 6400, 6500; 6100's, 7100, 7300 I'm now using, 8500 they've

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Jeff Walther
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've found my Turbo 601 upgraded IIci to be a much less twitchy computer than my Radius 81/110, which itself is far less troublesome than my 7300/200. Whoa!?! I had a Turbo601 for a few years (I wrote the article

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Clark Martin
At 2:19 PM +0200 8/20/03, Marten van de Kraats wrote: I've just confirmed that my Classic II, running OS 6.0.8L, has a total memory of 10,240KB, the largest free block is 9,102KB, Finder uses 160KB, while the system uses 978KB. Does this elevate the Classic II from Road Apple status as a OS 6

Re: New Hardware

2003-08-20 Thread Clark Martin
At 9:43 AM -0800 8/20/03, J.S. Garrison wrote: on 8/20/03 1:36 AM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just picked up a CD/Maxtet 700 CD ROM Tower. It's got 7 CD ROMS and is marked as a file server. A SCSI device, it hooks to any Mac from

Re: vintage quality-OpenOffice?

2003-08-20 Thread Todd Russell
How did you get OpenOffice running on those boxes? I thought there was only an OS X version? I'd love to have OpenOffice on som eof my older hardware. Peace, Todd On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 10:15 AM, Sque wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:40 am, Powermac wrote: I find my 7500 and 8500 to

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Bill Judson
I've just confirmed that my Classic II, running OS 6.0.8L, has a total memory of 10,240KB, the largest free block is 9,102KB, Finder uses 160KB, while the system uses 978KB. Does this elevate the Classic II from Road Apple status as a OS 6 machine? :-) In my book no Mac that can run

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread Matt Patoray
Go on eBay and get your self an Audio Media II card by Digidesign. It is a NuBus card and has stereo RCA Analog inputs and outputs along with RCA Stereo SPDIF Digital outputs. The sound quality is excelent as it can do 48Khz sample rate (the DAT standard) If you get one I can provide the drivers.

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread Bfholi
Go on eBay and get your self an Audio Media II card by Digidesign. There's one today on the swap list (and one yesterday?). -Bruce -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread J.S. Garrison
- Original Message - From: Powermac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: IIfx sound card - Original Message - From: J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
And to keep things on topic, I STILL run back to my accelerated IIci and Quadra 700 for that 68k feeling. I must be a 68k elitist since my 68k collection consists of a IIfx, 840av, and a 950/AWS. He he he. An accelerated IIci can be faster than a 840 av. One of those turbo 040 cards for the

Re: IIfx sound card

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
That Mac has built-in sound. No card necessary. I was hoping for stereo sound, plus sound input would be nice so I can use the videospigot card I have in the corner. The built-in sound is stereo. Are you looking for something like this?

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
Forget it. 6.08L probably won't install on it anyway. See gamba's system 6 page for ideas on how to deal with to much memory or setup a ram disk and make your mac fly. I don't know about the L but 6.0.8 should install on a IIci, or at least 6.0.7 will. Of course 6.0.8 will run on it, so will

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Gamba
The LC/LCII/ClassicII-type Macs had some special mojo put in the memory controller/ROM setup to enable them to see 10 MB, rather than the usual 8 that most System 6-capable Macs see under 24-bit addressing. Jutso If 7.1 was installed on LC/LCII/ClassicII-type Macs, and if memory control panel was

Re: 24 bit addressing !@#$!?

2003-08-20 Thread Marten van de Kraats
Once upon a time there was some software that would let you use up to 14Mb on a IIci and others of that vintage. It did it by snagging the space normally allocated to NuBus slots Anyone know anything about this? Marten Forget I asked. He was of course talking about maxima. Marten -- Vintage

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Phil Marlow
Someone on here has their clock set to August 2004 and it's screwing up my inbox! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! |

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Adam Cora Dietrick
yeah, fix it! Phil Marlow wrote: Someone on here has their clock set to August 2004 and it's screwing up my inbox! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at

Re: New Hardware

2003-08-20 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya Know.. I HAVE FWB, and couldn't get it to mount any CD in any slot even after following the maker's directions. I have TFM in PDF, and read it, and it makes it all seem like a walk, but it won't play with me. Try the CD-ROM Toolkit (with

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Darren
J.S. Garrison wrote: Fascinating. All, newer integrated machines have components installed and tuned at the factory to work in the system. If you see the listname, you'll glean I'm talking same-era machines. I'm a semi-non-profit. I resurrect both Vintage Macs and Vintage PC's. My line of

Re: vintage quality

2003-08-20 Thread Darren
Marten van de Kraats wrote: Ah. OpenOffice. But that reeks of linux. Or what? Linux might run pretty well on those machines, contrary to the Mac OS. No Marten, MacOS 7.1 and 9.1. Wont work on sys6 for obvious reasons. Of course it reeks of flipping Linux, it was ported to OSX. Like many things