Re: [Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Could you use this method to test special relativity? i.e. to see if the speed of the em wave in the wire independent of the wire's motion. Harry Michel Jullian wrote: Well done Stephen! To make the measurement truly accessible to all, the next step would be to eliminate the digital scope,

Re: [Vo]: EEStor More

2007-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Sorry, sent this to the wrong list. Jones had posted this here some time ago. On 2/7/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/page1/

Re: [Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Could you use this method to test special relativity? i.e. to see if the speed of the em wave in the wire independent of the wire's motion. I wish! Trouble is, to get a readable result you need to move the wire really, really fast, and I don't see any way to do that.

RE: [Vo]: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Stephen, Well, by Dobbs, you've done an experiment. Congrats. Now for the fun part! I'm looking at the last scope shot, http://www.physicsinsights.org/images/img_0748-a1.png Amplify the receive channel (2) by 10, so you're at 100 mV rather than 1 V/div. Now let's talk about that negative

[Vo]: 2006 wind energy stats

2007-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.awea.org/newsroom/pdf/070202__GWEC_Global_Market_Annual_Statistics.pdf QUOTE: Brussels, 2 February 2007. The booming wind energy markets around the world exceeded expectations in 2006, with the sector experiencing yet another record year. On the day of the publication of the

Re: [Vo]: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Keith Nagel wrote: Hi Stephen, Well, by Dobbs, you've done an experiment. Congrats. Yeah, I do one now and then -- generally pretty trivial stuff, tho. Now for the fun part! I'm looking at the last scope shot, http://www.physicsinsights.org/images/img_0748-a1.png Amplify the receive

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2007-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
Terry Blanton wrote: Sorry, sent this to the wrong list. Jones had posted this here some time ago. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/page1/ Not to worry - as this PR release is a most important development for all of alternative energy (esp. wind and solar) and provides a good

Re: [Vo]: Voltage versus field, and the electrophorus

2007-02-08 Thread John Berry
That's how many electrostatic machines work such as the Wimshurst. There are 3 different things, voltage, field strength and charge imbalance, in this case the Voltage goes up, however the field strength goes down (though is still considerable and covers more area) and the charge imbalance

RE: [Vo]: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Stephen, it looks like it has something to do with the signal itself, almost like the pre-ringing of a perfect low-pass filter Given that your cutoff frequency is 60MHz, the leading edge of the signals you are seeing probably bear little relationship to the actual state of the signal. I say

Re: [Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Could you use this method to test special relativity? i.e. to see if the speed of the em wave in the wire independent of the wire's motion. I wish! Trouble is, to get a readable result you need to move the wire really, really fast, and I

Re: [Vo]: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Keith Nagel wrote: Hi Stephen, it looks like it has something to do with the signal itself, almost like the pre-ringing of a perfect low-pass filter Given that your cutoff frequency is 60MHz, the leading edge of the signals you are seeing probably bear little relationship to the actual

Re: [Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Could you use this method to test special relativity? i.e. to see if the speed of the em wave in the wire independent of the wire's motion. I wish! Trouble is, to get a readable result you need to move the wire really, really fast, and I

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread Mike Carrell
In this bloom of optimism about ultracaps as energy storage for cars and a theoretically high recharging rate, do a reality check on the power involved. You fill a gas tank in avout five minutes with enough energy to drive a car at 70 mph for several hours -- and you are going to charge the

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Let the price of a recharge vary inversely with the time one is prepared to wait for a recharge. Harry Mike Carrell wrote: In this bloom of optimism about ultracaps as energy storage for cars and a theoretically high recharging rate, do a reality check on the power involved. You fill a gas

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: In this bloom of optimism about ultracaps as energy storage for cars and a theoretically high recharging rate, do a reality check on the power involved. You fill a gas tank in avout five minutes with enough energy to drive a car at 70 mph for several hours -- and you are

Re: [Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Could you use this method to test special relativity? i.e. to see if the speed of the em wave in the wire independent of the wire's motion. I wish! Trouble is, to get a readable result you need to move the wire really,

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell I wrote: You fill a gas tank in avout five minutes with enough energy to drive a car at 70 mph for several hours -- and you are going to charge the capacitor with that energy in minutes? Mike has brought up this important point before, HOWEVER, there are two mitigating

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2007-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Try two. On 2/8/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Sorry, sent this to the wrong list. Jones had posted this here some time ago. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/page1/ Not to worry - as this PR release is a most important development for all of

[Vo]: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/

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2007-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On 2/8/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try two. Zed, we gotta bug.

[Vo]: Re: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
That's almost as hard to explain as the disappearing Subject line Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/

[Vo]: Example from Brazil, 5 MW peak at one of the world's largest commercial buildings

2007-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I noted that Arthur D. Little says a large hospital consumes about 1 MW. Here is a mega-mall example of power consumption: . . . São Paulo is truly an all-in-one complex. The 1.75-million-square-foot complex includes the state-of-the-art WTC Business Tower, the elegant Hotel Gran Meliá São

[Vo]: Re: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread Michel Jullian
Nice fraud, orchestrated by the big candle wax lobbies no doubt :) It would be more convincing if the bulb's light didn't turn on before the second candle, and if it's luminosity wasn't constant!! Michel - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[Vo]: More about the skeptics' mindsets

2007-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: But in the case of the NHE and Toyota, I sense that the decision makers do not believe the results, so they lie about them. . . . Our guess, based on talking with these people, is that when they saw positive results emerge, they thought something like this: Damn, that looks like

RE: [Vo]: Re: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread OrionWorks
Michel sez: Nice fraud, orchestrated by the big candle wax lobbies no doubt :) It would be more convincing if the bulb's light didn't turn on before the second candle, and if it's luminosity wasn't constant!! Michel Oh dear, hoodwinked again! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson

RE: [Vo]: Re: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread OrionWorks
Fascinating. I realize wax is being converted into CO2 H2O and other by-products as the two candle flames burn. But what are the energy conversion equations going on here? Part of me wants to believe there might actually be some kind of OU going on, but I assume that's really not the case

RE: [Vo]: 2006 wind energy stats

2007-02-08 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... In short, wind energy is not negligible, but it will have to grow much faster to have a significant impact in time to affect global warming. There is no reason why it should not go more quickly. The presently installed wind capacity cost $23 billion. In an unrealistically

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed's right in that a successful supercapacitor technology could also build large buffers for peak demands, just like the subsurface gas storage tanks in ordinary gas stations. It is true that electric cars can be more efficient than gasoline cars because you bypass the whole mechanical drive

Re: [Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Could you use this method to test special relativity? i.e. to see if the speed of the em wave in the wire independent of the wire's motion. I wish! Trouble is, to get a readable result

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread Mike Carrell
I replied to Jed's earlier post before seeing this one. The number he uses 0.2-0.3 kWH/km is creeping in 'rush hour' traffic, not at expressway speeds -- I assume Atlanta is as bad as the Philadelphia area, where it is 70+ MPH. Pick your own number. The catch is not only at the service station,

Re: [Vo]: Re: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread John Berry
Ok, well I would give this a freaking low chance of being real, even if I was ok with the open circuit I'd not be so fine with the fact it's symmetrical yet develops a DC voltage. However if you look when the flame goes out on the lighter that is exactly when the bulb turns on, so while the

[Vo]: The Parasol Fix

2007-02-08 Thread thomas malloy
thomas malloy wrote: and Jed Rothwell replied; I doubt very much that the Sun is putting out more energy, but if it is we could easily fix the problem by spreading large Mylar parasols in space. This calls for a space elevator, but the prospects for an elevator are better than ever. It is

Re: [Vo]: 2006 wind energy stats

2007-02-08 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to OrionWorks's message of Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:14:38 -0600: Hi, [snip] We can continue spend hundreds of billions of dollars meddling in the affairs of oil rich countries, most that hate our guts (sometimes with justification) to secure energy resources - all in the name of national self

Re: [Vo]: Re: A New Candle

2007-02-08 Thread John Berry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fPXewq8S5w Another candle fake. On 2/9/07, John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, well I would give this a freaking low chance of being real, even if I was ok with the open circuit I'd not be so fine with the fact it's symmetrical yet develops a DC voltage.

Re: [Vo]: Bettery on-the-way?

2007-02-08 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: Mike Carrell wrote: In this bloom of optimism about ultracaps as energy storage for cars and a theoretically high recharging rate, do a reality And Jed said; Suppose you want to recharge a dozen cars at one time, ten times per hour (six minutes each) during the peak