Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Rick Monteverde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's > doing the representin' here? As I mentioned, the U.S. system is not direct representation. Representatives are supposed to use their own judgment. Nothing in the Constitution

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

--On Monday, September 29, 2008 5:12 PM -0700 Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ron Wormus wrote: I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like Wall Street, but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis: Yes but maybe

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Jed wrote >> Republicans thought it stank. The vote was: >> Democrats 140 Yea, 95 Nay >> Republicans 65 Yea, 133 Nay >> More to the point Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's doing the representin' here? And Jeff is right, twice. Dems have the majority, n

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OT: Atlanta gas crisis

Jed wrote: > From: Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Vo]:Somewhat OT: Atlanta gas crisis > To: vortex-L@eskimo.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:13 PM > Atlanta is now in about 2 weeks into a severe gasoline > shortage. > > There may have been some panic buying and "topping o

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Remi Cornwall wrote: <> More total crap from Remi - no wonder some find some of those on the right to be not very nice people at all. As Remi's M.O. is to turn up here every year or so, vent a lot of hot air then disappear again a few weeks later in a puff of sulphurous smoke for another year

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Remi Cornwall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the democrats are shifting the blame. > > The law makers have a duty to make sure that people behave in a civilised > manner. If you create an environment where people can panic in a crowded > theatre The President is the one who cried fire, not t

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Ron Wormus wrote: I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like Wall Street, but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis: Yes but maybe he is only half right. Of course it is necessary -- and it will pass towards the end of

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Jed, The Utube link is hilarious! Sad that there is so much truth in it. I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like Wall Street, but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis: " So what we now have is non-functional government

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In reply to OrionWorks's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:04 -0500: Hi, [snip] >$41T does sound a little high. A colleague at work got out his >calculator and figured out that if you divided 40T by 400 million >Americans, that would amount to a debt load of approximately $100,000, >each. That se

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I think the democrats are shifting the blame. The law makers have a duty to make sure that people behave in a civilised manner. If you create an environment where people can panic in a crowded theatre (by analogy the people are the market) don't blame the people - that's what people do. You need t

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>From Robin, ... > I have no idea if that $41 trillion figure is accurate or not. I have heard > various estimates. I think a large part of the problem is that no one has > any idea what the true number is, or who owes what to whom for what > property. $41T does sound a little high. A colleague

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Robin van Spaandonk wrote: I heard on TV last night that the level of private debt in the US is $41 trillion. Imagine what is going to happen if the banks start calling in *all* their loans. Precisely. That's what people like Warren Buffett are worried about. They are not concerned about the

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For the real stories see: http://solari.com/ http://www.trendsresearch.com/ http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/ http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html http://www.earthpulse.com/ http://www.independencejournal.com/today.htm http://rense.com/ http://www.infowars.com/ http://www.da

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:36:53 -0400: Hi, I heard on TV last night that the level of private debt in the US is $41 trillion. Imagine what is going to happen if the banks start calling in *all* their loans. [snip] >This is an extraordinary moment in US history. T

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>From Jed, ... > This is an extraordinary moment in US history. The situation is a lot more > critical than most people realize, according to friends of mine who > understand something about economics. > > - Jed Taking the longer view, it does seem obvious to me that this mess will go down in th

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Remi Cornwall wrote (tongue-in-cheek no doubt): Tell me something, is a president of the USA largely titular like a British monarch or do they have real power. Is it government by cabinet or leader-centric? This president is one of weakest in history, because it is close to the end of his ter

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Everyone agrees some kind of repair is needed. This is obvious. The issue is what form this repair should take. An increasing number of experts and ordinary people are realizing that the Paulson Plan is not form the repair should take. Unfortunately, the administration panicked and put toge

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Jeff Fink wrote: The dems control the house and senate. They don't need a single republican vote to get anything they want! That is not true. They have a small majority, and not much party unity. There are many conservative Democrats who will vote with Republicans on many issues. Many of th

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True, but the margin is by only one vote in the Senate the last time I looked. Nevertheless, neither party wants to take the rap for this. Fortunately, enough thinking people are resisting the proposal of the administration. Personally, I don't care what reason they use. The plan as writ

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I do not understand economics, but Warren Buffett said this bailout is needed, and he is a smart cookie. So I worry that this, or something like it, is needed. Obama said: "stay calm, because things are never smooth in Congress . . . There are going to be some bumps and trials and tribulations

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

On Sep 29, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: Tell me something, is a president of the USA largely titular like a British monarch or do they have real power. Is it government by cabinet or leader-centric? Well, the President has real power in a few areas and has to get Congress to go

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The dems control the house and senate. They don't need a single republican vote to get anything they want! If the bill went down in flames it is because some of their own people thought it stank. The only reason they want republican votes is so they can pass some of the blame when it doesn't wor

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The reason I ask is to find out just how much power Bush has. In Britain we have a constitutional monarchy. The Queen is titular and advises the PM behind the scenes (her aides do to). Government is by cabinet (or is meant to be unless the PM is very charismatic and controlling like Blair). The

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Tell me something, is a president of the USA largely titular like a British monarch or do they have real power. Is it government by cabinet or leader-centric? -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 20:43 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund

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Dow down 750 by the close. Gold bugs won. So far everyone else is looking like a loser. Keep in mind that the deal that was killed was not the first deal on the table; there had been significant changes to it, or so I understand, and it was supposedly quite a bit less outrageous than the thing w

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The people who nuked the deal are the people who do not trust the administration and who, in addition to listening to the voters, were able to hear what various economists are saying. Of course, it helps to be very conservative or very liberal. Thank heaven, there was enough independent thi

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News stories I'm seeing make it sound like it was the conservative Republicans who nuked the deal. With Barney Frank as lead representative on the bill, in the end it was apparently, in some sense, a Democratic initiative(?) or at any rate it was certainly bi-partisan.

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Stockholders have just voted. The bailout was extremely important to the financial health of the country, or so they apparently believe. --- NEWS ALERT from The Wall Street Journal Sept. 29, 2008 The Dow Jones Industrial

[Vo]:Somewhat OT: Atlanta gas crisis

Atlanta is now in about 2 weeks into a severe gasoline shortage. There may have been some panic buying and "topping off the tank" at the beginning, but by now it is a genuine, widespread shortage, worse than Katrina and the 1979 gas shortage. Most gas stations within 5 miles of my house have b

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Jones Beene wrote: > > "What's causing the drop Stephen? Is it banking shares or all > shares?" Dunno, haven't looked closely (I'm too busy hiding under the table to keep pieces of the sky from hitting me on the head), but when the Dow barfs like that it's not usually just one sector which drag

RE: [Vo]:Good News for the *ANTARCTIC*

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn14724-antarctic-sea-ice- increases-despite-warming.html -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 20:00 To: vortex Subject: [Vo]:Good News for the Arctic This may have been mentioned in the

[Vo]:Good News for the Arctic

This may have been mentioned in the earlier thread on the scientific contradictions and general high levels of bad-info on GW. http://www.dailytech.com/Arctic+Sees+Massive+Gain+in+Ice+Coverage/article12851.htm

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Yes but what's causing the drop? I'm curious to know if after $700billion whether anything has changed. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 19:42 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout "What's causing t

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"What's causing the drop Stephen? Is it banking shares or all shares?" Well - in a larger sense of this being an historic "day of judgment" (starting at sunset), it is easier to understand what is going on. The wicked will be getting hit the hardest. It is written that on Rosh Hashanah the

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The plunge stabilized and bounced back a bit after passing the -700 mark. IMHO it's too early to tell if this is Black Thursday all over again, or just the usual stock market shenanigans, behaving like a flighty horse and "shying" at shadows. __ NEWS ALERT from Th

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

What's causing the drop Stephen? Is it banking shares or all shares? -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 19:18 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Now down 700 points and dropping Stephen A.

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Now down 700 points and dropping Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Stockholders have just voted. The bailout was extremely important to > the financial health of the country, or so they apparently believe. > > --- > NEWS ALERT > from The Wall Street Journal > > Sept. 29, 2008 > > The D

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

Stockholders have just voted. The bailout was extremely important to the financial health of the country, or so they apparently believe. --- NEWS ALERT from The Wall Street Journal Sept. 29, 2008 The Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged more than 500 points as the the final votes we

Re: [Vo]:Nanoparticle accelerator ?

Remi >This is already being done with ferrofluid thrusters. Along the lines of an inkjet printer little nozzles expel ferrofluid. We have some people at QMUL doing this. Thanks, I'll check that out.

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

The Kiplinger Newsletter's take on the financial bailout: "10 Things That Will Change" http://kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Ten_Things_That_Will_Be_Different_When_the_Financial_Smoke_Clears_080926.html http://tinyurl.com/3zrd39 Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

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Terry Blanton wrote: Did you see the word 'forced' in my post? Yes, I did. You wrote: "The loss of reasonable returns on these havens forced people into the money market . . ." You must have forgoten what you wrote! Probably a case of being absent minded because all you can think of is whe

RE: [Vo]:Nanoparticle accelerator ?

I've been out all weekend enjoying the Indian summer in the beautiful city of Bath. Skimmed this thread. This is already being done with ferrofluid thrusters. Along the lines of an inkjet printer little nozzles expel ferrofluid. We have some people at QMUL doing this. -Original Message-