Re: [Vo]:A Working hypothesis

2011-05-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 3 May 2011 18:16:11 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Maybe the worry is not a future nickel shortage ... so much as good old H2O. >Since you are into the SciFi scene - you know the plot of a future problem >that pops up on occasion - lack of water. This came up as a maj

RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

2011-05-03 Thread francis
In reply to Robin van Spaandonk's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:03:44 -0700 [snip] ...but AFAIK gas motion is not primarily ZPE driven. It's just the thermal energy of the molecules. So the implication would seem to be that as the energy was extracted, the gas would get colder, until it reached th

[Vo]:A Working hypothesis

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson Jones sez: > My working hypothesis as of May 3, is that spillover hydrogen is > formed catalytically, at a threshold temperature and collects in > Nickel nanopores, gaining thermal energy from an unknown source at > very close to

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Iverson
Hi Jones! I guess at this point my impression of how Rossi optimized the effect is more akin to how Edison discovered what material to use for filaments -- painstakingly long process of trial and error! When you don't have a theoretical model from which to design, T&E is about your only option.

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
Mark, Interesting story, and maybe it is a premonition of what the lame excuse from Rossi will be if there is no megawatt demo in October. Rothwell can whine, hem, and haw all day about how he believes in his heart-of-hearts that the sordid TEG business with LTI was not a true scam, but since he

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Iverson
I said: "Perhaps its because Rossi hadn't given them the proper recipe for making the TE devices?" Let me explain a bit more... I've been following (and occasionally helping) with a colleague's company that has carbon-based photovoltaic cells that are consistently getting 40% more power than Sh

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Just to clarify, Mark Iverson wrote: Jones writes: "Here is a sanitized version of the story cleansed by LTI, but the true grit is worse than this sounds. Bottom of Page 5 is where it gets interesting:" http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo%282004%29.pdf Frankly, I'd prefer t

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Regarding the latest on-going spat between Jed & Jones ... Jed recently sed: > ... I suggest you [Jones] treat this more like a scientific discussion and > less like a legal proceedings, what with "the best available evidence" ... It's my understanding that Mr. Beene was at one time a lawyer.

Re: [Vo]:Re: RaiNews24 (ITA)

2011-05-03 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-05-03 18:47, Michele Comitini wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/canale-tv.php?id=23074 Here's three interesting video screenshots, from comments on 22passi blog [1]: 1: http://i.imgur.com/RaBOI.jpg 2: http://i.imgur.com/uiPRH.jpg 3: http://i.imgur.com/zDziy.jpg It appears they come from a

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: The ECat in the reporter's video actually has two H valves of different types. I noticed that. That's what I was thinking about. I don't know a thing about them, but the ones used by Miles and Mizuno to study the gas are uniform and they look like they are of higher quali

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Iverson
Jones writes: "Here is a sanitized version of the story cleansed by LTI, but the true grit is worse than this sounds. Bottom of Page 5 is where it gets interesting:" http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo%282004%29.pdf Frankly, I'd prefer to read the unsanitized 'true grit'! Its

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Then you are essentially blind to his past misdeeds, and essentially pandering, as I have said repeatedly. You have said it, but you have not demonstrated how he might fool a thermocouple or make a flow of water seem to be many times faster than it is. Machines do not resp

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Andrea Selva
Found the link http://www.extrusioncontrol.com/heaters.html 2011/5/3 Terry Blanton > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Andrea Selva > wrote: > > The big red cable of the external resistor contains 2 teflon insulated > wires > > Can you tell me where you see that? > > Thanks! > > T > >

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Angela Kemmler
In Europe you may find quite often a power outlet (wall outlet) without "earth" contact, so, this contact is not necessary. You find extension cords with only two wires. The third ("earth") contact has only the purpose to protect you. In Germany you find often a particular fuse interrupting the

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread noone noone
He was never a scammer. You are intentionally twisting the entire history. Everything you post on this forum has an anti-Rossi slant. You will even make the most illogical of technical comments just to spread FUD about the Rossi technology. It seems like you are pandering to Randall Mills, who i

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Andrea Selva
It's a standard electrical band heater. Time ago i saw the link to the manifacturer here on vortex. I'm to lazy to find it again but I'm sure you can do the search by yourself 2011/5/3 Terry Blanton > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Andrea Selva > wrote: > > The big red cable of the external

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > It does have only one gas connection. I do not know if the stopcocks are > adequate for the job. The ECat in the reporter's video actually has two H valves of different types. T

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Andrea Selva wrote: > The big red cable of the external resistor contains 2 teflon insulated wires Can you tell me where you see that? Thanks! T

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell > At this point in time, Rossi's statements, efforts or 'clues' can be argued > to be almost immaterial to further progress in the USA, since nothing he says > can be trusted. JR ... I see no evidence that he cannot be trusted. Frankly, you seem to

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Andrea Selva
The big red cable of the external resistor contains 2 teflon insulated wires 2011/5/3 Terry Blanton > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Terry Blanton > > > >> I have been asking where the reactor heater return (earth) is. There > > is o

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, Frank G liked my post on 'Next Big Future' and made a reference to "Beta ether" in his reply which, at the time, was meaningless to me but I have since been picking up little bits and pieces of it... so yes if Terry has some citations or synopsis of Beta Ether please paste it here or as

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:14 PM, David Jonsson wrote: > Yes, tell me why Carbon 13 is more common than Carbon 12 in some parts of > the Universe. This was discovered by the Swedish Satellite Odin. Because you are looking into the past when you measure electromagnetic radiation. Also, Carbon was c

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Terry Blanton > >> I have been asking where the reactor heater return (earth) is.  There > is only the one red cable.  How is that steel heater grounded? > > Could they be intentionally floating the device? I

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread David Jonsson
Yes, tell me why Carbon 13 is more common than Carbon 12 in some parts of the Universe. This was discovered by the Swedish Satellite Odin. David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Alexander

RE: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > I have been asking where the reactor heater return (earth) is. There is only the one red cable. How is that steel heater grounded? Could they be intentionally floating the device?

Re: [Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mats Lewan sent an e-mail message to me saying he regrets making a mistake > measuring power. He sent another message to Steve Krivit explaining the > problem in more detail, here: > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/LewanInvestigates.

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote: > in our case, natural is a reference to whats found on earth, yes no? "In nature." T

Re: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Possibly it is a different aspect of it. Too bad that you were not around to > enjoy some of Frank Grimer's aether musings a few years back... He has a > hierarchical aether theory that could fit in very well to the Rossi effect. > The "beta-a

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > It does have only one gas connection. I do not know if the stopcocks are > adequate for the job. > As opposed to an electrochemical cell which typically leaks out of several holes and the lid, or an Arata DS-cathode which has no holes at all. McKubre had to design a tool to puncture t

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > Tritium is easy to detect, but only if you try to detect it. As far as I > know, no one has. Also, you cannot detect it if it is allowed to escape from > the cell into the air. You would have to open the cell carefully in a > controlled environment to capture it. I should have said "

[Vo]:can this be true?

2011-05-03 Thread fznidarsic
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RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
I've heard He is hard to detect, but leak detectors are portable and quite common and sound simple enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_mass_spectrometer Maybe they're really really expen$ive or have other problems. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US -Original Message- Fro

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jones sez: ... > My working hypothesis as of May 3, is that spillover > hydrogen is formed catalytically, at a threshold temperature > and collects in Nickel nanopores, gaining thermal energy > from an unknown source at very close to the Curie point of > the nickel. It is that simple. The reactio

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: JR: How do you know there is no helium, tritium or radioactivity here? As I said stated: from the "best available evidence" - which is the Swedish isotopic analysis and the spectrographs in the patent. I would say the best available is hardly adequate for anything. So far,

Re: [Vo]:Re: RaiNews24 (ITA)

2011-05-03 Thread Michele Comitini
IMHO The video on Petroldragon affair, makes confusion between the fact that there was a *huge* problem with toxic garbage handling and the fact that the process for oil production was indeed possible or not. mic 2011/5/3 Akira Shirakawa : > On 2011-05-03 18:47, Michele Comitini wrote: >> >> www.

Re: [Vo]:NASA is not going to replicate E-Cat

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Perhaps it would have been best to call NASAs effort an "experiment which is similar to the Mills/Thermacore/Focardi/Piantelli/Rossi line of experiments using nickel nanomaterials and catalysts (which are possibly unique) and somewhat 'like Rossi' but not identical" - but that

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell > There is no helium here, no tritium and no radioactivity, and NO non-natural > isotopic distribution, so how could it be nuclear? JR: How do you know there is no helium, tritium or radioactivity here? As I said stated: from the "best available e

Re: [Vo]:Re: RaiNews24 (ITA)

2011-05-03 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-05-03 18:47, Michele Comitini wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/canale-tv.php?id=23074 I've watched the video, and uninformed viewers (regarding recent E-Cat developments) can't possibly get a good impression with all the inserts about Rossi's old Petroldragon affair. The message I personal

[Vo]:Lewan did not measure all three cables

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mats Lewan sent an e-mail message to me saying he regrets making a mistake measuring power. He sent another message to Steve Krivit explaining the problem in more detail, here: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/LewanInvestigates.shtml The part about power says QUOTE: "I personally did m

[Vo]:Re: RaiNews24 (ITA)

2011-05-03 Thread Michele Comitini
www.rainews24.rai.it/canale-tv.php?id=23074 2011/5/3 Michele Comitini : > www.rainews24.rai.itit/canale-tv.php?id=23074 >

[Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)

2011-05-03 Thread Michele Comitini
www.rainews24.rai.itit/canale-tv.php?id=23074

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: There is no helium here, no tritium and no radioactivity, and NO non-natural isotopic distribution, so how could it be nuclear? How do you know there is no helium, tritium or radioactivity here? They have hardly begun to look. Helium in particular is very difficult to det

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread Alexander Hollins
in our case, natural is a reference to whats found on earth, yes no? On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Michele Comitini wrote: > So I wonder what *Natural* isotopic abundance means?  Is it an > average? Over which part of the universe? > > Natural is keyword in food marketing, but here? :-) > > mic

RE: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X > Is dark matter another label for "ether" Possibly it is a different aspect of it. Too bad that you were not around to enjoy some of Frank Grimer's aether musings a few years back... He has a hierarchical aether theory that could fit in very w

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread Michele Comitini
BTW reading on the numbers you will see that Ni in the crust is disappearing! We must start burning it before is too late! ;-) mic 2011/5/3 Michele Comitini : > So I wonder what *Natural* isotopic abundance means?  Is it an > average? Over which part of the universe? > > Natural is keyword in fo

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Hi Jones, >> Yeah, yeah, we know what the nuclear fizicists will say on >> the matter. >> >> What do they know. ;-) > Well that's it, isn't it ... what do the experts know? Of > course, one can throw all of nuclear physics out the door, > but why? I'm certainly not arguing that we throw present

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread Michele Comitini
So I wonder what *Natural* isotopic abundance means? Is it an average? Over which part of the universe? Natural is keyword in food marketing, but here? :-) mic 2011/5/3 Terry Blanton : > But this is fission, the opposite of elemental creation.  All the > same, more evidence for non-homogeneous

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, Is dark matter another label for "ether" that surges with ebbs and flows that 3D beings cannot perceive except by relativistic measure? And even then only by difference in scaling factors between frames since at the macro scale the ebb and flow is homogenous? Do differences in energy dens

Re: [Vo]:Isotopic abundance only from stars?

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
But this is fission, the opposite of elemental creation. All the same, more evidence for non-homogeneous isotopic distribution. T On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Michele Comitini wrote: > A different theory: > > http://ow.ly/4M7VL > > mic > >

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
T, I agree and if there were stronger evidence of the relationship between Casimir effect and catalytic action I Think Mills would have had a shot at a patent - He claims a different extraction method than my MAHG like scenario or the H-M method with noble gas but that doesn't mean it i

Re: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Leading one to wonder ... hmmm ... if perhaps "spillover hydrogen" captured > in a nickel matrix is that sought-after "antenna for dark matter." And if dark matter is actually a hydrino with the electron teetering on the brink of capture do t

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson Yeah, yeah, we know what the nuclear fizicists will say on the matter. What do they know. ;-) Well that's it, isn't it ... what do the experts know? Of course, one can throw all of nuclear physics out the door, but why? Ask yours

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Terry: > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > wrote: > >> Why not? > > You probably recall a test that was done on implants and some material > which "fell through the roof" in Ufology.  That test was an isotope > ratio test.  The claim was that elements originati

RE: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
Here is an implication of the story: The detector they use comprises a 440-gram crystal of germanium... dark matter is so abundant that 100 million particles of it are expected to pass through the CoGeNT detector every second... OK - Terry may be imagining the same thing that I am - that if "dark

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Charles Hope
That's the mini supernova argument. We don't know what's inside the reactor, but we know it doesn't resemble a supernova, so we are obliged to assume that any copper found is just regular copper that migrated. It's way too fanciful to assume otherwise at this point. Sent from my iPhone. On

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:21 AM, noone noone wrote: > No, you seem to worship Randall Mills of Black Light Power and seem to be on > this forum for one purpose, to push an anti-Rossi agenda. Actually, Jones is quite skeptical of RandEll's theories. That doesn't mean Dr. Mills is *all* wrong. T

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Why not? You probably recall a test that was done on implants and some material which "fell through the roof" in Ufology. That test was an isotope ratio test. The claim was that elements originating outside our star system

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread noone noone
No, you seem to worship Randall Mills of Black Light Power and seem to be on this forum for one purpose, to push an anti-Rossi agenda. From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:14 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common se

Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative

2011-05-03 Thread Angela Kemmler
> down to 4,4 kW. > > I agree, one needs to be careful, with the input power in the early > experiment > (and perhaps all of them?). The graph went up and down quite a bit, so one > should really do a separate calculation for each segment then add them all > up. > look here Robin: http://www.

Re: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Correct me if I have misunderstood the most important relevant facts being debated here, but I believe Jones is making a strong claim that the percentages of isotopes allegedly found distributed throughout the copper found within one of Rossi's used e-cats clearly indicates that the "Rossi-effect"

Re: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
And dark matter is seasonal: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20434-second-experiment-hints-at-seasonal-dark-matter-signal.html T

RE: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis.

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
From: noone noone * * The natural isotope ratio issue is not an issue at all. Of course it is an issue. IT IS THE MAIN ISSUE as to the identity of the type of reaction. * Copper was found. There is no source of copper inside the reactor other than transmutations. Wrong. Re

RE: [Vo]:NASA is not going to replicate E-Cat

2011-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
Funny Krivit did not mention the stated source of the post: EVworld ... and the crux of this boils down to my interpretation of that interview, not a rumor. EVworld is e-zine with more credibility than his own, and they scooped him on this story big time - but apparently he is reluctant to take the

Re: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?

2011-05-03 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 2-5-2011 18:22, Jones Beene wrote: In addition to that, and possibly far more relevant to the experimenter - you have the Sun's rotation- or should I say double rotation. The core of the sun rotates at a different rate than its surface, and it works out to every 33 days. The solar core i

RE: [Vo]:NASA is not going to replicate E-Cat

2011-05-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Harry, I have been trying to run down any word on the NASA replication and found your citation encouraging even if not based on the Rossi E-cat. The W-L replication will still puts NASA in the business of building a Ni-H reactor with 1st class bullet proof instrumentation and telemetry.

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative

2011-05-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I would expect the required heating and therefore the current measured by the amp meter to decline as the reactor reached a stable thermal balance between PWM and the extraction rate allowing Rossi to use a slightly narrower pulse and more residual heat to cause disassociation. Fran From: noon

Re: [Vo]:Lewan video is informative

2011-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Angela Kemmler wrote: > wasn't it 350 Watt? It is also a bit strange that he talks about two heating > resistors. My problem is that there is no Vreturn for the external heater (no ground) unless somehow the copper pipe is ground. T

Re: [Vo]:We have a theory: Relativistic Casimir Cavities!

2011-05-03 Thread francis
Axil, Scott and I have collaborated and communicated at length regarding a Casimir theory based on relativistic contraction of the longer vacuum wavelengths which still appear full length to an observer inside the cavity instead of the present theory where the longerwavelengths are simply upshift